R19: The hall of shame

[Shoshuro]

As promised here is a list of ppl who left / jumped during round from our side due to having interests with other alliances (pnap) or failure to adapt to alliance/teamplay. Kind request to other HC not to accept those losers next round(s) please and would like to see your lists also:

Rasputin (pnap)
darts (pnap)
raketman
isnogood
YuC
Draki
FeniX
dedin
Moe
Raz (stupidity)
chronox (major stupidity)

Kind regards,

- Shoshuro

EDIT: Fixed the wording / edited list.

[qebab]

crusie, Heartless, and MobRulz, in a way. I'm sure there are plenty I have forgotten.

[Squidly]

Originally Posted by qebab

MobRulz

Didn't see that one coming tbh

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Squidly

Didn't see that one coming tbh

He was among those we wanted with us in the merge, but he still held a lot of hostility to Omen, and didn't want to (That's why I added "in a way").

Originally Posted by Cannon_Fodder

And qebab, Heartless never really joined your alliance so he can't truly be accused of shipjumping.

Also "In a way". But he certainly gave me the impression that he was a member.

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by Shoshuro

As promised here is a list of ppl who left/jumped during round from our side. Kind request to other HC not to accept those losers next round(s) please and would like to see your lists also:


chronox (major stupidity)

Kind regards,

- Shoshuro

Everyone should refuse this person admittance into their alliance..

[Cannon_Fodder]

Didnt he come 101st aswell

And qebab, Heartless never really joined your alliance so he can't truly be accused of shipjumping.

[Wishmaster]

shoshuro, you forgot the MAIN quitter in Omen this round: Keizarie. MAking that list without him on it makes no sence

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

shoshuro, you forgot the MAIN quitter in Omen this round: Keizarie. MAking that list without him on it makes no sence

Try type my nick correct next time will you matey.

[darts]

pfffrt
ive been asking on hitting Exi whole round never happend then u guys kicked out members for not being good enough

so what

i dont like that and sure ass hell not if then an merge happens

sorry but if u want me in that list fine with me

ill do without ally then np

[Shoshuro]

pfffrt you are so funny darts

Click

[Stifler]

(darts|afk) well i applyed for them next round thats why the pnap if i drop it i wont get in


They really fooled you :crymeariver:

[Wishmaster]

Originally Posted by darts

pfffrt
ive been asking on hitting Exi whole round never happend then u guys kicked out members for not being good enough

so what

i dont like that and sure ass hell not if then an merge happens

sorry but if u want me in that list fine with me

ill do without ally then np

U left because u wanted to join eXi next round, and didnt want to cancel the pnap. which is just BS. I know eXi, they take in people which put up a good fight. people they know they can count on.

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

I know eXi, they take in people which put up a good fight. people they know they can count on.

I'd have to support darts on this one though.

As far as the gosu guys were concerned, YuC, Draki, FeniX and dedin, I'd like to know why they're on your blacklist Shosh?
From what I have seen MobRulz was the main problem and not them?

[OlaTa]

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

shoshuro, you forgot the MAIN quitter in Omen this round: Keizarie. MAking that list without him on it makes no sence

Kinda dissapointing hear that he left the allie, whos HC he was for some time. Bad Bad Keizari.

Originally Posted by Wishmaster

Also, Xalibur left when we merged with Angels, as he didnt like them afaik or whatever. He never left Omen, which he joined to play the round inn.

I would accept him again :/ even though he dissapointed me

He acted after his personal feelings. If he sticked with you till that merge, and left during the merge, then can't blame him for staying loyal to his personal opinion. Can't blame anyone for having a personal opinion.

[Wishmaster]

Also, Xalibur left when we merged with Angels, as he didnt like them afaik or whatever. He never left Omen, which he joined to play the round inn.

I would accept him again :/ even though he dissapointed me

[qebab]

FeNiX and dedin were both kicked by MobRulz. The rest of gosu left after this (which is understandable given the circumstances, but no less shipjumping).

[Lockhead]

Originally Posted by qebab

FeNiX and dedin were both kicked by MobRulz. The rest of gosu left after this (which is understandable given the circumstances, but no less shipjumping).

Not all of gôsu left - as we should have done.

I do NOT agree having Draki, FeNiX and dedin on that list...

[_Kila_]

Originally Posted by Lockhead

I do NOT agree having FeNiX on that list...

after seeing some JGPs this round, FeNiX is the last player I'd want in my alliance.

[YuC]

"Funny" thread.

Originally Posted by _Kila_

after seeing some JGPs this round, FeNiX is the last player I'd want in my alliance.

Couldn't agree more tho

[Atul]

not all of gosu

[Nadar]

You lost some members.. buhu :crymeariver:

[HK]

People normally tend to leave unsatisfactory alliances. Have you ever considered that it might have been your own fault?

[Nadar]

Originally Posted by HK

People normally tend to leave unsatisfactory alliances. Have you ever considered that it might have been your own fault?

That's what most HCs don't consider, so instead they add them to kill-list and roid them dry, bad-mouth them etc.

It's easier to blame those who leave than yourself.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by HK

People normally tend to leave unsatisfactory alliances. Have you ever considered that it might have been your own fault?

That they weren't winning? Sure, probably partly their fault for accepting second-rate members/officers/HCs into their alliance in the first place. However this thread isn't about who is to blame for what happened. It's about what people did.


PS As regards the merger I'd consider anyone to did go through with the merger to have shipjumped more so than anyone who refused to do so. Those people signed up to play for a certain group/tag/embassy of the good lord jesus christ and the fact they didn't want to play for another one makes it almost the inverse of shipjumping.

[Atul]

gôsu did lose 1 member this round

[Nadar]

oh I didn't aim that on your post, Atul, but on Shoshuro's post.

[gzambo]

ah but what bout the one's that take pnap's ?

[bwtmc]

darts and Draki were Nihilum spies!!

[The Real Arfy]

I'm really not sure whether people like darts are so dumb that they don't understand why they're nubs or if they're just selfish.

Good log. Gave me a good laugh on an otherwise **** night.

[darts]

yeah i left so i wanted in also but all the things posted be4 made me leave at first place

[darts]

and btw so what if im nub like u kick some mayor ass

i like this gamne i like fights but all those shit merge and politics i h8 it it ruins the game

im not elite like some so what at least i have fun and the people that do know me know what they have when they get me in, u cant blame me of not defending or participating in annything can u

[DJet]

two more...

Scoobs - Left ROCK last friday of the round to join ToF, reason "it is for the best for me and rock for me to leave"

x2 - Left ROCK about tick 6-700 maybe for vision, reason "im not going to be active anymore" (or similar) the facts - never once defended or attacked with rock, yet after leaving joinned vision and ended the round on about 5mil score... hmmm.

[lizardking]

Originally Posted by DJet

two more...
- never once defended or attacked with rock

I would kick a member like that before he'd even think about leaving.

[Lei~]

Originally Posted by DJet

x2 - Left ROCK about tick 6-700 maybe for vision, reason "im not going to be active anymore" (or similar) the facts - never once defended or attacked with rock, yet after leaving joinned vision and ended the round on about 5mil score... hmmm.

x2 dint shipjump as he was never an active part of rock. He was in my gal and dint even have a defchannel from you guys nor ever got any help when he was online to ask for it. He dint want to play actively in the beginning (while he was at rock), but when he left you it was with the intention of getting more active, and as you dint support him I got him into vision, where he prospered and was a great asset. I think again the fault lies rather with the ally than with the player...

[jerome]

Originally Posted by Lei~

x2 dint shipjump as he was never an active part of rock. He was in my gal and dint even have a defchannel from you guys nor ever got any help when he was online to ask for it. He dint want to play actively in the beginning (while he was at rock), but when he left you it was with the intention of getting more active, and as you dint support him I got him into vision, where he prospered and was a great asset. I think again the fault lies rather with the ally than with the player...

how is that not shipjumping exactly?

[Gate]

Originally Posted by jerome

how is that not shipjumping exactly?

I can't remember what round it was, probably round 12, when he left ND for Veneratio because we weren't seeing to his every need (whilst under attack by LCH, VisioN and Mistu...)



He shipjumped from Insomnia, as mek pointed out, and from Subh, and from FO, as keizari pointed out. And Rock, as this guy just pointed out. And people still accept him :lol:

[_Kila_]

Originally Posted by Gate

I can't remember what round it was, probably round 12, when he left ND for Veneratio because we weren't seeing to his every need (whilst under attack by LCH, VisioN and Mistu...)



He shipjumped from Insomnia, as mek pointed out, and from Subh, and from FO, as keizari pointed out. And Rock, as this guy just pointed out. And people still accept him :lol:

He was replying to this post which was referring to "X2"

Originally Posted by Cartman

if i cant get into allies maby i can be able to stop playing finally.. so go go..

Playing allianceless is more fun anyway

[Lei~]

Originally Posted by jerome

how is that not shipjumping exactly?

Insofar as he never was an active part of rock. Why he joined them in the beginning is something i dont know though.

And i doubt x2 shipjumped from FO as he was in vision the whole time FO existed. I think youre confusing chronox and x2 here gate.

[DJet]

Originally Posted by Lei~

x2 dint shipjump as he was never an active part of rock. He was in my gal and dint even have a defchannel from you guys nor ever got any help when he was online to ask for it. He dint want to play actively in the beginning (while he was at rock), but when he left you it was with the intention of getting more active, and as you dint support him I got him into vision, where he prospered and was a great asset. I think again the fault lies rather with the ally than with the player...

Defence channel - he never asked for one, nor would he have got 1 as he was never active, we didnt support him for the simple fact that he never took part in any alliance activity im sure any alliance HC would agree that it would have been a waste of resources (at the time) to support him and give him defence, when he offered none in return nor took part in our attacks.

[voodoo]

People normally tend to leave unsatisfactory alliances. Have you ever considered that it might have been your own fault?

before round starts, you look around. pick an alliance which you think would best fit your requirements. you join them, and you STAY there. through thick and thin. because you said you would when round started.
now
when round ends, all players are free to reconsider their choice. change alliances. or quit the game. leave honorably. but this is not an option mid-round when 60 other people are counting on you.

[gzambo]

Originally Posted by voodoo

before round starts, you look around. pick an alliance which you think would best fit your requirements. you join them, and you STAY there. through thick and thin. because you said you would when round started.
now
when round ends, all players are free to reconsider their choice. change alliances. or quit the game. leave honorably. but this is not an option mid-round when 60 other people are counting on you.

[darts]

Originally Posted by voodoo

before round starts, you look around. pick an alliance which you think would best fit your requirements. you join them, and you STAY there. through thick and thin. because you said you would when round started.
now
when round ends, all players are free to reconsider their choice. change alliances. or quit the game. leave honorably. but this is not an option mid-round when 60 other people are counting on you.

the 60 members u guys kicked 2 merge u mean or?

imo if an alliance is doing crap keep your head up dont suddenly kick people 2 merge 2 alliances 2 gether and say we kept the strong ones.

imo thats even worse then jumping ships like u guys like 2 call it

[voodoo]

heh. yeah. started 60. and how many were left? how many were still fighting?
trust me, i know, i did the calling! almost nobody ever bothered to get online in the morning to send def. why keep them around? remember they were the first ones to let the ally down, not the other way around. same with jumpers.

[darts]

Originally Posted by voodoo

heh. yeah. started 60. and how many were left? how many were still fighting?
trust me, i know, i did the calling! almost nobody ever bothered to get online in the morning to send def. why keep them around? remember they were the first ones to let the ally down, not the other way around. same with jumpers.

i was fighting so was me m8 ingal he got kicked cos he didnt def he also didnt ask for def u just kicked people without asking

that imo aint verry sporty either is it

[Synthetic_Sid]

Originally Posted by darts

i was fighting so was me m8 ingal he got kicked cos he didnt def he also didnt ask for def u just kicked people without asking

that imo aint verry sporty either is it

Why would you worry about being "sporty" when you kick selfish cvnts?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by darts

i was fighting so was me m8 ingal he got kicked cos he didnt def he also didnt ask for def u just kicked people without asking

that imo aint verry sporty either is it

I remember a round when I didnt defend or attack for a period of time.

I was with a top alliance at the time.

But you know what, I actually spoke to HC, explained my reasons and the benefit to both myself and the alliance and it was excepted (stealing zhils fleet was a bonus).

If you was a decent alliance member this wouldnt be an issue, you would of sorted it with your alliance and done what was best for em, wouldnt you?

[-=Yggdra=-]

So voodoo you're saying that an alliance is allowed to kick a member if he ain't exactly like they thought he would be when they recruited him, but a member ain't allowed to leave the alliance when he finds out that the alliance ain't exactly like he thought they would be when he applied to them?

It's kinda lame to say that this game is meant to be fun but when it comes to recruiting some people become all lawyer-ish and act like the member signed a contract with his own blood.

[voodoo]

PLEASE tell me you are not advocating for ship-jumpers? and are just replying for the sake of the argument!
only reason alliances dont perform as well as expected is because of crap members that either lie when joining, or just lack the warrior spirit to keep fighting when the shit hits the fan!!
so yes, im saying that alliances are what members/hc's make them.
and this game lost most of the "fun" in it few years back when it became a requirement you spend 10-15 hours/day on it to do well.

[-=Yggdra=-]

Originally Posted by voodoo

PLEASE tell me you are not advocating for ship-jumpers? and are just replying for the sake of the argument!
only reason alliances dont perform as well as expected is because of crap members that either lie when joining, or just lack the warrior spirit to keep fighting when the shit hits the fan!!
so yes, im saying that alliances are what members/hc's make them.
and this game lost most of the "fun" in it few years back when it became a requirement you spend 10-15 hours/day on it to do well.

I am not advocating for ship-jumping. I am just trying to tell you that kicking members so 2 alliances could merge is just as bad.

And yes, maybe they were lying when they joined. But on the other hand you can't blame someone to change his opinion when he finds out something ain't exactly like he excepted it to be. And notice how this last sentence is written in a neutral form, it can be used from the POV of an HC who kicks a member or of a member who "kicks" his HC (by leaving the alliance).

As I said, I am NOT advocating FOR ship-jumpers, but I am also not AGAINST them. Actually I couldn't care less about them.

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by -=Yggdra=-

I am not advocating for ship-jumping. I am just trying to tell you that kicking members so 2 alliances could merge is just as bad.

Do we now make a list of HCs who have kicked members so that two alliances could merge and make a plea for nobody to consider joining these alliances next round? What's that, Vision, Omen? Was there anyone else?