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Unread 10 Jul 2006, 03:54   #1
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Undesirable Galmates.

As another round starts and the shuffle has commenced.

Sometimes you think "Yes I have a good gal, I might even be in with a shout of a free credit" or "Oh dear god I think I will hit the exile buttons".
But what makes you thing this.

Question is what is an undesirable gal mate to you?
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

If their nickname begins with a P and ends with a y you get a weird fuzzy feeling. But tbh its when after a couple days and yor gal channel is still just you and your bp mates that you start feeling real down. Or if youre a random and you have to initiate making a galaxy channel and the whole 9 yards.

I would say having only a few planets not online on the first day of shuffle is alright and if you can get only 1 planet or 2 not online you might be thinking free credit. ofcourse depends on who they are that are online

But yeah inactivty ftl.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

The worst loss isn't inactives. It's rather selfish people who don't understand the value of teamwork, as they are more expensive to exile, and generally just cause more trouble than they're worth.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I usually get the insufferable know it alls that land in my galaxy and start spouting off how everything should be done, and whinning that within 2 hours of shuffle not everyone in the galaxy is in IRC so they exile themselves.

Maybe if they took the time to help people instead of just spouting off how things should be done they might actually make the galaxy better than it is.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

To be in my gal you got to pull your weight, if not let the exile vote
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Myself it would be...

Inactives, The ones that dont reply on the gal forums / ingame mails and join the gal channels on irc.
I am willing to keep the newbie who will make the effort.

3 fleeters, The ones that will constantly send out 3 fleets on attack and dont def ingal (hence not earning their keep) and the ally def whore varient aswell. The ones that will always have a def fleet going out of the gal but dont have one available for the gal (hence not earning their keep). Periodically want you to report their incs...
Sure some could argue that is that is the way they want to play their game then why not.
question is why should I report your inc(s) if you arent prepared to send a def fleet ingal?

The ingal spy (aka the free jpg), giving intel on your galmates to your ally can be a sensitive issue at times. Although there is a given expectation to inform your ally about what your galmates allys are.
What I would deem as down right crap is leaking info (def strategies/missions on your gal channel) whilst your gal is covered in red from their respective ally and then reporting your gal status to their ally because they cant scan your gals distorter whore.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I would agree with most of that. Too many people will send out all three fleets at the same time, and get incoming and cry and moan they need defence cuz they left some ships at home that will be destroyed. They'll also be the same people that will ignore the incoming on the Gal Status page and send fleets out anyway instead of defending and then say they couldn't defend because there fleets were out.

Then there's the whiners, the ones that are decent players but whine about every single issue. Had one a few rounds ago that would send a complaint message every day to me, about what we were doing wrong. When I would go to talk to him, I'd ask what he thinks we should do, but he never would say anything, just keep spouting off more complaints, I even asked him if he wanted to be GC...to which he responded that he didn't want to be a minister or GC, he didn't like having any responsibility, he was insulted that I would even say such a thing to him. The worst part is that was round 16 and he was in a Buddy Pack so we couldn't exile him.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I honestly have to say that I dont like galaxies anymore.

It isnt what it used to be, its being used by all alliances (including my own) as a place to spy, gather intel instead of teamwork and a friendly enviroment. I think we should remove galaxies and have bigger alliances with random joinings instead but thats just me speaking.

To define what a bad galmate is: Well, in my eyes, a badgalmate is one who runs to his alliance with info of another galmates nick, and is willing to screw his galmate over since he's in another alliance and you dont like that alliance.

I think it has come to a point where some people just dont want to be in their galaxy channel due to all the backstabbing going on in there.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

Yeah, I know that was going on a lot last round. I think at least 4-5 of the galaxies that had alliance members of mine reported that they knew someone in there galaxy was doing that. I know this may seem shocking, but I discourage that tactic among my members, I think that alliances shouldn't use member galaxies for spying on each other.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

People who put bright multi-coloured messages on the gal overview. If I need to vomit in the morning after a heavy night's drinking I'll do what everyone else does and stick my finger down my throat thank you very much.

When they start turning up on the gal forums it's just too much for me
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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I honestly have to say that I dont like galaxies anymore.

It isnt what it used to be, its being used by all alliances (including my own) as a place to spy, gather intel instead of teamwork and a friendly enviroment. I think we should remove galaxies and have bigger alliances with random joinings instead but thats just me speaking.

To define what a bad galmate is: Well, in my eyes, a badgalmate is one who runs to his alliance with info of another galmates nick, and is willing to screw his galmate over since he's in another alliance and you dont like that alliance.

I think it has come to a point where some people just dont want to be in their galaxy channel due to all the backstabbing going on in there.
Handing over your galaxies panic list to your alliance isnt in itself screwing the galaxy over as long as you know how the information is being used or if your handing it over knowing it will be used to attack the galaxy.

Last round I had this debate with a few F-Crew members. In F-Crew any planet in a F-Crew galaxy gets a one way planetary NAP, a NAP which will remain in place even if that persons alliance declares war. The only times its ever broken is if the planet in question has been a real problem and even then the members in the galaxy will normally get a veto option. We also encourage in galaxy defence to be sent by members. For this protection the panic lists being handed over are a tiny favour to ask in return and it acts as the base for gathering intel outside our galaxies which could be extreamly useful later. As long as theres such an understanding your not screwing your galaxy over one bit.

The problem to me is more to do with the fact that most alliances dont use the intel in a resonsable manner as far as the galaxy is concerned. They will get the intel and then use it to screw the galaxy over. Now when you have a situation where alliances will have no problem screwing a galaxy over your forced to hide your id so as to not to encourage them. Fake nicks then mean that your an unknown quantity and everyone else doesnt know what your motives are or how much to trust you. So you end up adopting the X-Files belief of "Trust No One". Without trust your less inclined to send ships to help them, or work as a team ect ect
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

pa is too alliance oriented nowadays, the gal is the best and last defence you can get.
even the smaller guys can and will help out if its a friendly inviroment.

so my conclution on the matter is that giveing the allies more room in pa is actually the thing that makes it bad nowadays

oh a summer round should really be free as ppl cant play full time
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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pa is too alliance oriented nowadays, the gal is the best and last defence you can get.
even the smaller guys can and will help out if its a friendly inviroment.

so my conclution on the matter is that giveing the allies more room in pa is actually the thing that makes it bad nowadays

oh a summer round should really be free as ppl cant play full time
I would say that actually it was the minute they decided to try and improve galaxy quality by impossing Private galaxies that was the initial problem. It helped make this community more selfish and patient. Once alot of this community experianced what it was like to have a galaxy that was highly active in the way private galaxies allowed they became a bit greedy and when we went back to anything but fully private they became a little intolerant of anyone who didnt meet some fairly high standards.

The other issues that we now have when it comes with galaxies are mainly just byproducts of the 'professionalism' that private galaxies brought to the game and which now is the standard that every player is measured by
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I dislike gal channels where people rarely talk, theres no camaradarie and it can spoil the round. I want to have a bit of a laugh with the people im squatting with during the course of the round, not simply say "can you send me some ships?" once in a while when I get inc.
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I dislike gal channels where people rarely talk, theres no camaradarie and it can spoil the round. I want to have a bit of a laugh with the people im squatting with during the course of the round, not simply say "can you send me some ships?" once in a while when I get inc.


Those are the best sorts of gals by far, and can make the round far more interesting!

Gals are boring if there's no camaraderie.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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3 fleeters, The ones that will constantly send out 3 fleets on attack and dont def ingal (hence not earning their keep) and the ally def whore varient aswell. The ones that will always have a def fleet going out of the gal but dont have one available for the gal (hence not earning their keep).
Rather surprised to see this one from an alliance HC. Is it really your position that your members should send their defence fleets in-galaxy and not to Subh?
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

a notorious 3 fleeter is crap to both allies and gals. oh allie defwhores are kinda silly too cos they just want to get high defpoints so they tend to send a bit too much to allie so they cant attack
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I dislike gal channels where people rarely talk, theres no camaradarie and it can spoil the round. I want to have a bit of a laugh with the people im squatting with during the course of the round, not simply say "can you send me some ships?" once in a while when I get inc.
I also agree that if you make friends with your gal mates, it becomes easier to send def, and even have your ships die for them.
But fake nicking makes this very hard. as it will force you to have two open IRC clients, and tbh, you can't keep your eyes in both, nor pay full attention to both. i wish the whole fake nicking ideea would go away somehow. it would surely make the game more fun. and it would actually "help you meet new people, make new friends" as the PA advertisment says.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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Rather surprised to see this one from an alliance HC. Is it really your position that your members should send their defence fleets in-galaxy and not to Subh?

I have always been a believer of having the best of both worlds with ingal and ally def. Like in both cases you have to earn your keep. Why I think this way is...
You cant send Non eta def ships to ally (cutters and syrens to stop co on the basis of equal eta research, predicting a prelaunch and so on.)

Sometimes to def against the Co fleet from hell it is often a better option to send ingal cutters/syrens (0 loss def) rather than a mass of fi (which for xans is an attack fleet that could go roiding) which drains ally defense as it may envolve sending several fleets to cover which could be used elsewhere.

The bottom line is you trust your members to box clever and make the most of the options they have available to them.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I usually end up giving my fake nick away in the first week of the round anyway, usually due to coming on IRC drunk. True story.
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I usually end up giving my fake nick away in the first week of the round anyway, usually due to coming on IRC drunk. True story.
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And dont forget giving away somones fake nick away in the gal channel whilst drunk aswell...

If PA had been Paramilitaries you would surely had your knee caps done in by now
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the word(heh) acquiescence comes to mind as a reply to this thread
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They would have found you eventually anyway Pais! <3

I dont see how acquiescence sprang to mind though jer. I consent to nothing!
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They would have found you eventually anyway Pais! <3

I dont see how acquiescence sprang to mind though jer. I consent to nothing!
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

He's talking about players that play in an annoying hyper fashion for a week or so and then give up the first time they get attacked.

He's talking about himself.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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A week, thats pretty good
I managed to muck it up before even starting one round by being drunk when the shuffle happened, and joining the wrong client :/
Now I don't bother fakenicking - if you're stuck with me (barring exiling me) you know it.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I dislike people using fake nicks and secret def/relay channels.
They wont get their incs reported and wont recieve def :-) At least not by me, heh
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People who think only of themselves are by far the worst galm8s.
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I dislike people using fake nicks and secret def/relay channels.
They wont get their incs reported and wont recieve def :-) At least not by me, heh
oh, this one just entered to my undesirable list :|
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I would say that actually it was the minute they decided to try and improve galaxy quality by impossing Private galaxies that was the initial problem. It helped make this community more selfish and patient. Once alot of this community experianced what it was like to have a galaxy that was highly active in the way private galaxies allowed they became a bit greedy and when we went back to anything but fully private they became a little intolerant of anyone who didnt meet some fairly high standards.

The other issues that we now have when it comes with galaxies are mainly just byproducts of the 'professionalism' that private galaxies brought to the game and which now is the standard that every player is measured by
I dont think private gals in the past are the issue, people are selfish, intolerant of less actives, and inclined to exile because thats how you win and thats how people generally are.

That said I agree with your and Robbans overall point. Ive always preferred galaxies and clusters to alliances. I always wanted PA to use more geography to force people to adapt to new situations every round, work with new people, make new alliances etc. But PA abandoned that a long time ago and we are left with a game that begins and ends with pre-established alliances and cliques.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I agree with this, certainly with the cluster aspect anyway. A lot of fun came from trying to outplay the enemies you had in-cluster/para.
Forming a ramshackle group of people you didn't know into an efficient and dedicated alliance was an almost impossible task, but **** me when it worked it was beautiful.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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I dislike people using fake nicks and secret def/relay channels.
They wont get their incs reported and wont recieve def :-) At least not by me, heh
Just curious why that is the case?

Thing is I wouldnt use fake nicks but I always seem to piss off enough folk bad enough to the point where I have to.
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Just curious why that is the case?

Thing is I wouldnt use fake nicks but I always seem to piss off enough folk bad enough to the point where I have to.

As people do not tell their real nicks and ally they do not trust me.
They fake me with their real identity but want me to take care of their planet.

Thats no deal!
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As people do not tell their real nicks and ally they do not trust me.
They fake me with their real identity but want me to take care of their planet.

Thats no deal!
Why should they automatically trust you?

The deal is that you help them take care of thier planet and they help you take care of your planet.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I want some active galaxy mates in good alliances. Unfortunately, the shuffle moved me to 1:1:1
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

Selfish players who only think of own score and gaine, prolly the worst player to get ingal..
but,, bring back old Priv gals whit 15/20 ppl in
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Undesirable Galmates is when after 4 days someone enters your lonely gal channel and then changes there name to AFK and the you dont see him/her again for another week.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

I personaly probably would have preffered private galaxies to this BP system. But, i suppose that would (as we have discussed many many times) would be to unfair for many as you would have quite a few elite gals etc. But i still think the current system with BPs and randoms still isnt efficient. Its really all about the luck of the draw. Plus of course picking your BP members wisley.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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I personaly probably would have preffered private galaxies to this BP system. But, i suppose that would (as we have discussed many many times) would be to unfair for many as you would have quite a few elite gals etc. But i still think the current system with BPs and randoms still isnt efficient. Its really all about the luck of the draw. Plus of course picking your BP members wisley.
I am inclined to agree. Maybe a system of allowing private gals of say 7 members max, and then random gals of upto 10. So the private gals have a 3 man disadvantage, but you would think they would be good enough to handle that.

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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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I want some active galaxy mates in good alliances. Unfortunately, the shuffle moved me to 1:1:1
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I personaly probably would have preffered private galaxies to this BP system. But, i suppose that would (as we have discussed many many times) would be to unfair for many as you would have quite a few elite gals etc. But i still think the current system with BPs and randoms still isnt efficient. Its really all about the luck of the draw. Plus of course picking your BP members wisley.
I disagree, "elite" galaxies will only lead to even more elitism and to less new players being able to get a good start in the game.
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I disagree, "elite" galaxies will only lead to even more elitism and to less new players being able to get a good start in the game.
I would hate to think what kind of fleet I could of had if I hadnt put it into the gal fund for exiling. just to get shot of them.

If the new guy is willing to put the effort into learning (A young horn in r14 for example) I will, if the planet is just idling, not answering to mails and not irc active and not making the effort.

I can see why some folk are interested in private gals.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

Well maybe there should be a Transition galaxy 100:X:X where new planets must sit during their protection period. The must reach a minimum Value before they can enter the Game.
(or some variation on that idea)

Or...The cost of exile can be increased or decreased by some value determined by how much time they log on. It could be exponential so the minimum would still be low but inactives would be cheaper.
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Re: Undesirable Galmates.

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Well maybe there should be a Transition galaxy 100:X:X where new planets must sit during their protection period. The must reach a minimum Value before they can enter the Game.
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Looking at our scores in 1:1... I'd say you have no business posting about active galaxy mates since you're one of the slackers
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I'm too busy adminning
If people would stop breaking the game..
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Again, looking at our gal.... you have no business posting on here about breaking the game since you're the one that usually breaks it
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Again, looking at our gal.... you have no business posting on here about breaking the game since you're the one that usually breaks it
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