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General1 · 27 Jul 2005, 20:14

SO Hydra signed up G-II, what is the idea behind that?
You guys AVG score sux btw

Guran · 27 Jul 2005, 20:15

Good move. All the best to Hydra.

Wishmaster · 27 Jul 2005, 20:38

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Originally Posted by General1

SO Hydra signed up G-II, what is the idea behind that?
You guys AVG score sux btw

yes we did.

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Good move. All the best to Hydra.

thx, and yes, I think this was a good move for both parts.

Intruder · 27 Jul 2005, 20:42

idd wise move. i should have read forums b4 asking on IRC?

DrunkenViking · 27 Jul 2005, 21:14

Smart move for both i think.

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Alliances can merge at the request of their HCs. This procedure involves all the HCs from each alliance pamailing an admin and making the request. The request should include the names of the alliances to be merged and name of the new merged alliance. Note: All ingame ranks are maintained during a merge, but in game forums information, attacks and defence calls set up in game may be lost. A merge is also only possible if the total number of members for the new merged alliance will be less than the limit of 100. Mergers will also not be allowed in the last 3 weeks of the round, and the alliances have to be small enough for 2 weeks before the merging for the merger to actually happen.

Thats from the manual on merging alliances, it says nothing about 72 hours without protection etc. I would like to know why not. Does the PA-team reckon it is fair that when an entire alliance shifts tag they should have advantages contra when individuals shift tags? Does smaller alliances with 3 ppl(1 active person) have the same chance to dodge the 72hrs if the 1 active guy(also HC) wants to emrge into another alliance but the other alliance only wants that member? Will it then be possible for that HC to kick the other 2 members, so they're screwed for 72hrs while the HC guy wanders off to another alliance through a "merger"? I'm sure i could find many more reasons why this is unfair, but this will do for now. Could anyone from the PA-team pls awnser?

thanks

Forest · 27 Jul 2005, 21:37

I know alliances who are gonna merge and be #1

Virall · 27 Jul 2005, 21:40

so thats what the arby list was for....

nicely bought, G-II.

Guran · 27 Jul 2005, 21:42

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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Thats from the manual on merging alliances, it says nothing about 72 hours without protection etc. I would like to know why not. Does the PA-team reckon it is fair that when an entire alliance shifts tag they should have advantages contra when individuals shift tags? Does smaller alliances with 3 ppl(1 active person) have the same chance to dodge the 72hrs if the 1 active guy(also HC) wants to emrge into another alliance but the other alliance only wants that member? Will it then be possible for that HC to kick the other 2 members, so they're screwed for 72hrs while the HC guy wanders off to another alliance through a "merger"? I'm sure i could find many more reasons why this is unfair, but this will do for now. Could anyone from the PA-team pls awnser?

This has been discussed before with earlier incidents. I don't think this is the right place to start this discussion again, rather start a new thread or use search.

DrunkenViking · 27 Jul 2005, 21:45

No point in pulling up threads from ND/SiN merger last round, i'm not starting a discussion really, i just wanted to see clear awnsers from the PA-team since they never bothered putting it in manual or anything like that.

Jonas · 27 Jul 2005, 21:47

I see nothing wrong with this merge(but the fact Insomnia was temporarily pushed down a spot

)

gl for both of you.

DrunkenViking · 27 Jul 2005, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Jonas

I see nothing wrong with this merge(but the fact Insomnia was temporarily pushed down a spot

)

lol, thats because you're HC of a now-solid alliance and this can only affect you in a good way. I'm a socialist :|

TheGoaT · 27 Jul 2005, 22:09

didnt g-ii only have like 12 members or something anyway?

Squidly · 27 Jul 2005, 22:23

Suppose g-ii needs to keep their members safe one way or another... Kind of funny how events fold out eh harri and vader?

You split to become independant... And you go and become hydra peons. So much for doing things the g-ii way eh?

furball · 27 Jul 2005, 22:30

They had 14 members. With Harrism going, it made sense for them to join another alliance. Given that they broke off from NewDawn in order to have more fun, I'm suprised that they joined Hydra. But of course, it is for them to choose as they wish.

suave · 27 Jul 2005, 23:01

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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Will it then be possible for that HC to kick the other 2 members, so they're screwed for 72hrs while the HC guy wanders off to another alliance through a "merger"?

obsolete question as kicked members don't have the 72 hours penalty. you only have that when you chose to leave an alliance by yourself...

Gate · 27 Jul 2005, 23:14

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Originally Posted by furball

Given that they broke off from NewDawn in order to have more fun, I'm suprised that they joined Hydra. But of course, it is for them to choose as they wish.

That' was my immediate reacion.

However, with a lot of the SiN players at Hydra, I'm sure G-II will have plenty of fun; SiN are a brilliant group of people who I was proud to work with last round. Pity they couldn't have said the same about their experience with ND really. :/

Good luck with the move Hydra/G-II, and have fun!

wakey · 28 Jul 2005, 00:04

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Originally Posted by suave

obsolete question as kicked members don't have the 72 hours penalty. you only have that when you chose to leave an alliance by yourself...

Kicked members ARE subject to the 72 hour window unless thats been changed this round,

_Kila_ · 28 Jul 2005, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Gate

Pity they couldn't have said the same about their experience with ND really. :/

heh why not?
I had a great time with ND ^_^

Neferti · 28 Jul 2005, 00:19

Every new event with G-II makes me more glad I didnt accept their invitation to join. If I had joined G-II I'd be begging to be let back into ND after this... leaving ND to be 'independant' and have 'fun', and then joining an elitist 'hardcore' alliance? At least show some consistency, please!

Cannon_Fodder · 28 Jul 2005, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Gate

SiN are a brilliant group of people who I was proud to work with last round.

HELL YEAH!!

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Originally Posted by Gate

Pity they couldn't have said the same about their experience with ND really. :/

Why?

lokken · 28 Jul 2005, 01:05

PA talk not personal insults. Ta.

_Kila_ · 28 Jul 2005, 01:19

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Originally Posted by Neferti

Every new event with G-II makes me more glad I didnt accept their invitation to join. If I had joined G-II I'd be begging to be let back into ND after this... leaving ND to be 'independant' and have 'fun', and then joining an elitist 'hardcore' alliance? At least show some consistency, please!

Has it ever occured to you that some people enjoy playing hardcore?

Squidly · 28 Jul 2005, 05:14

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Originally Posted by _Kila_

Has it ever occured to you that some people enjoy playing hardcore?

To clarify... G-ii left because ND was playing too hardcore for their liking.... They wanted to just have fun and relax etc. Not exactly the leet definition of hardcore there =p

virogenesis · 28 Jul 2005, 07:46

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Originally Posted by Squidly

To clarify... G-ii left because ND was playing too hardcore for their liking.... They wanted to just have fun and relax etc. Not exactly the leet definition of hardcore there =p

ND playing hardcore? You're kidding right? Thats the most amusing thing I've heard ever

Rocko · 28 Jul 2005, 08:36

I'm sadend a bit really, i had expected g-ii to see the round out at least, but just merging into hydra,..... and you don't want to play hardcore, yet your joining hydra?....

Kjeldoran · 28 Jul 2005, 08:47

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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Smart move for both i think.

Thats from the manual on merging alliances, it says nothing about 72 hours without protection etc. I would like to know why not. Does the PA-team reckon it is fair that when an entire alliance shifts tag they should have advantages contra when individuals shift tags? Does smaller alliances with 3 ppl(1 active person) have the same chance to dodge the 72hrs if the 1 active guy(also HC) wants to emrge into another alliance but the other alliance only wants that member? Will it then be possible for that HC to kick the other 2 members, so they're screwed for 72hrs while the HC guy wanders off to another alliance through a "merger"? I'm sure i could find many more reasons why this is unfair, but this will do for now. Could anyone from the PA-team pls awnser?

thanks

I thought Kal said the rules about merging would be changed after r13. I guess those changes aren't implemented in r14 yet ... Kal, any clarification plz?

wakey · 28 Jul 2005, 09:57

It always saddens me when alliances take this easy way out of a bit of trouble rather than knuckle down and work their way out of trouble. Every alliance has a bad patch especially those whom are newly formed reformed and working your way through these troubles actually build charachter. Just look at F-Crew for example, since p2p we faded until by around rounds 7-9 it was a fairly dark place to be but we fought our way through it, we didnt merge into anyone, we didnt disband and we didnt throw our ideals out of the window. We just kept working away dealing with problems one by one and as such over the last 3 or 4 rounds we have started to get back to a stage where we should be and get the good feelings back. As such anything we acheive this round will leave us feeling 40times prouder of our acheivements than the likes of G-II and Angels even if they go on to win the round because we know we earnt our ranking rather than being 'carried' by another.

I just hope that G-II dont start a mass of these mergers as theres a number of alliances that could be considered to be underperforming and it would be a shame to see them take the eay way out rather than battling their way up, I for one will certainly have alot more respect for the likes of ND, HR and Veneratio if they do stay solo and I'm sure many others would be the same

Neferti · 28 Jul 2005, 10:55

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Originally Posted by virogenesis

ND playing hardcore? You're kidding right? Thats the most amusing thing I've heard ever

Yes, but that was their argument. And to Kila - they left cos ND are too hardcore, saying it wasnt fun. This suggests to me that they at least WANT us to think they don't enjoy playing hardcore.

Jonas · 28 Jul 2005, 11:05

So, ND was too hardcore for G-II but Hydra isnt? hmm

Neferti · 28 Jul 2005, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Jonas

So, ND was too hardcore for G-II but Hydra isnt? hmm

Yeah, dodgy innit

Wishmaster · 28 Jul 2005, 12:49

People may change opinions.

Squidly · 28 Jul 2005, 14:41

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Originally Posted by virogenesis

ND playing hardcore? You're kidding right? Thats the most amusing thing I've heard ever

Considering what ND was and how they played way back when, it's certainly more active than it was way back when. That's what I was getting at.

And if it's the most amusing thing you've ever heard... I really recommend you get out from under your rock and go take a wee bit of a look at the real world. IE stop being a muppet.

Gio2k · 28 Jul 2005, 14:43

Maybe they were being sarcastic :P

Squidly · 28 Jul 2005, 17:41

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Originally Posted by Gio2k

Maybe they were being sarcastic :P

Damn! foiled again!

noah02 · 28 Jul 2005, 21:05

:-O another merger quick flame flame flame

GL Hydra with the fresh recruits

Envious · 30 Jul 2005, 04:47

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Originally Posted by wakey

I for one will certainly have alot more respect for the likes of ND

really bad choice of example. the inventors of mid-round merging :eek:

Gate · 30 Jul 2005, 06:08

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Originally Posted by Envious

really bad choice of example. the inventors of mid-round merging :eek:

LCH, HR, FYTFO?

They led us astray.

wakey · 30 Jul 2005, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Envious

really bad choice of example. the inventors of mid-round merging :eek:

Not really, the merger last round made me lose a bit of respect for them BUT if they battle it out without undertaking such actions this round I will gain alot more respect for them, probally even more than most because no doubt after seeing last rounds success it must be appealing to merge again but if they resist they deserve alot of respect

Neferti · 31 Jul 2005, 23:05

Hydra 31 Jul 2005 18:50 maybe they don't enjoy playing with a rubblish alliance?

(one of the) negreps for my above post about ND, Hydra and hardcore playing... Just want to point out here (Since I can't pm, its anonymous) that you may have noticed ND's average is higher than usual this round, relative to other alliances. This is not least because most of the crap players left with G-II. So, go figure.

Remy · 1 Aug 2005, 12:53

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Originally Posted by Gate

LCH, HR, FYTFO?

They led us astray.

WE ARE EVIL

We didnt lead you astray, ffs. Let us have the credits for inventing it , even before it was in the rules! The only difference with the copycats was that WE didnt mass kick members to be able to merge under 100 total.

Neferti · 1 Aug 2005, 15:18

Who did kick members?

SteInMetz · 1 Aug 2005, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Remy

WE ARE EVIL

We didnt lead you astray, ffs. Let us have the credits for inventing it , even before it was in the rules! The only difference with the copycats was that WE didnt mass kick members to be able to merge under 100 total.

tbh, i think we kicked like 5-6 members (mark think, alcohol weakens the mind), and all were offered to join Therising which we organized..
Only 3 joined, and the rest we never heard nothing from, we didnt masskick we did merely kick the inactives (except me :/)

Gate · 1 Aug 2005, 18:36

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Originally Posted by SteInMetz

tbh, i think we kicked like 5-6 members (mark think, alcohol weakens the mind), and all were offered to join Therising which we organized..
Only 3 joined, and the rest we never heard nothing from, we didnt masskick we did merely kick the inactives (except me :/)

And there was an alliance mail from spritfire the weekend before saying 'next week, you must have 15 defpoints or face repurcussions' or something like that. Those that didn't have 15, were kicked.

So I don't think it was that shit tbh, I know LCH dumped some dead wood last round as well and were better off for it, obviously.

Neferti · 1 Aug 2005, 19:21

And to be fair, most actives had well over 15 def points even before that mail was sent...

Troll · 1 Aug 2005, 20:00

ND are mean evil people that try to pass themselfs off as nice fluffy bunnies. Well we all know about that bunny in Monty Pythons Holy Grail. There not so cute when u get close enough to see there teeth.

ReligFree · 1 Aug 2005, 20:01

troll.....hush

And about the merger i have nothign really to say. i just find it remarkebly funny that the ND co-ords list comes out, g-ii end up merging with an elite alliance. Oh and slo the fact that yeah as many people said they left ND to "have fun". Muchos fun in Hydra compared to ND

Marinho · 1 Aug 2005, 20:03

And did you know we have free dental insurance?

Shyne · 17 Aug 2005, 10:17

Yeah real smart!

They sit in a channel of their own and noone in hydra has ever seen them.

Tietäjä · 19 Aug 2005, 21:02

Ah, well.

You know, if I was here it'd all be a lot better.

Just an ex tempore note kids. Don't get drunk while on it. I'll be back eventually. Uhm. Eh.

- Keizari

TheGoaT · 19 Aug 2005, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Tietäjä

Ah, well.

You know, if I was here it'd all be a lot better.

Just an ex tempore note kids. Don't get drunk while on it. I'll be back eventually. Uhm. Eh.

- Keizari

/me shags Keizari