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Unread 26 Aug 2005, 14:28   #1
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Msn Messenger 7.5
****ing hell it's shit!

See for yourself.

I'd suggest not to update your current MSN Messenger software.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
The fact they had to change that front page thing before you log on. It's hideous.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
Yes it is.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
I don't give a shit about a login page. I want a clean program that doesn't hang/malfunction at every oppertunity...

Preferably 1 that doesn't use 25mb of RAM like MSN 6.0 did
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
that's a better login interface than the older versions, you suck.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
That look like one of their better logins in a long time. Sadly though, it's still another step towards bloat and 12 year olds.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
I am sing for a time already. I liked. Only cosmetic modifications. Animated backgrounds ( fishes swming in deep sea while you chat ) and stuff.Cute but useless. I tested that voice-clip thing, didnt find any good use. But worth a upgrade if you have nothing else to do.

Here's mine: ( i removed beta and MSN banners, some buttons and added a background on nicklist and renamed some contacts, else is same as original) :P

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****ing hell it's shit!

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I'd suggest not to update your current MSN Messenger software.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
I upgraded, they copied yahoo and added that annoying 'nudge.' Compared to Google Talk it's bloated, but then I appreciate that it actually can log entire message histories and not just recent history.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
for chatting to people about your piss fetish?
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
Still on MSN 6.2 - I'm oldschool.

Has swallowed a nice 20mb of ram tho :/ Is 7 any better at using memory?
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****ing hell it's shit!

See for yourself.

I'd suggest not to update your current MSN Messenger software.
Jesus, you ****ing fanny. Cram it.
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I upgraded, they copied yahoo and added that annoying 'nudge.' Compared to Google Talk it's bloated, but then I appreciate that it actually can log entire message histories and not just recent history.
If it's anything like MSN6, it only saves the logs when you close the window manually. It doesn't update them on the fly and doesn't save them if the windows are closed by another means - for example, shutting down, logging out or MSN crashing.
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Still on MSN 6.2 - I'm oldschool.

Has swallowed a nice 20mb of ram tho :/ Is 7 any better at using memory?
7.5 is currently sitting at 21.5mb on my machine.

Microsoft are great at memory management though. Another well known Microsoft product is sitting on a machine nearby and is taking 1200Mb of memory. Suffice to say, that PC isn't running very quickly.
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I upgraded, they copied yahoo and added that annoying 'nudge.' Compared to Google Talk it's bloated, but then I appreciate that it actually can log entire message histories and not just recent history.
My brother has told me about this.

MSN are running out of ideas.....
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
The most worrying thing by far was the fact your email address contains the words "Warrior" and "Angel".

I was reading an article earlier explaining how Google Talk uses an open standard, so if google gets a big enough user-base the other closed clients will probably be forced into using the open standard as well, thus creating interoperability. So you'll be able to choose which client is the best, not which client connects to which network. So use Google Talk. Personally I'm a fan of Gaim, and use that when i'm in Linux.
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Re: Msn Messenger 7.5
every time i download an update, it seems they add in 20 more adverts and tabs.
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The most worrying thing by far was the fact your email address contains the words "Warrior" and "Angel".
What's worrying about that?
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every time i download an update, it seems they add in 20 more adverts and tabs.
Tabs can be got rid of in the menus. "this is a shared computer so don't display my tabs"
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Another well known Microsoft product is sitting on a machine nearby and is taking 1200Mb of memory. Suffice to say, that PC isn't running very quickly.
Does that mean 1.2 Gigs of RAM? Which program is doing that? :eek:
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Does that mean 1.2 Gigs of RAM? Which program is doing that? :eek:
store.exe

It's the executable which controls the Exchange mailbox stores. Regardless of how much memory you have in a server, the store.exe process grows and takes the memory, essentially reserving it for the numerous operations the process manages. Some people think it's a memory leak, but it's not, it does that by design - hence why no sane person runs Small Business Server - the components can only be installed on one box and Exchange + ISA + SQL = very very very very very slow server - unless you have a tiny database, little internet traffic and no friends to send you emails...
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store.exe

It's the executable which controls the Exchange mailbox stores. Regardless of how much memory you have in a server, the store.exe process grows and takes the memory, essentially reserving it for the numerous operations the process manages. Some people think it's a memory leak, but it's not, it does that by design - hence why no sane person runs Small Business Server - the components can only be installed on one box and Exchange + ISA + SQL = very very very very very slow server - unless you have a tiny database, little internet traffic and no friends to send you emails...
Why would they make this by design?
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Why would they make this by design?
Exchange 5.5 had an issue when processing meeting requests that would cause its store.exe to leak memory - essentially the private bytes count would rocket.

Exchange 2000 in a mixed mode environment had a similar problem, but this was not caused by a specific function - it seemed to just happen.

Exchange 2003 and 2000 native simply takes the memory available. If another application requires more than is available, Exchange will relinquish it's grasp on some of the memory, but if the server is sitting idle then store.exe takes it and uses it for database maintenance, storage of log files for database integration and various other little background things. It's not a big problem, it just makes Windows respond to commands slightly slower - not a big deal on a dedicated Exchange server, but as I mentioned before, it's not a good idea to sit other mission critical services on the same box (for many other reasons too which are beyond the scope of this thread.)
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Miranda IM.

With plugins and customizations, it can do lots of stuff:
  • Accounts for ICQ, MSN, Jabber, Yahoo-Something, Skype, Google-Thingy (or not long until a plugin will be up), battle.net (nice, messages get relayed into games like StarCraft etc).
  • Less RAM usage and better performance than some of the clients (ICQ for example).
  • Set up accounts for websites (monitor changes), news-sites (RSS feeds), ping computers (online / offline warnings), weather (with nice icons), eMail-checker...
  • Gimmicks: Better log files, see when people read your away/status-messages. Dynamically configured status-messages with winamp-song or the readers nickname.

Drawbacks:
  • Not that easy to install and configure all plugins. Too many (untested or beta-) plugins tend to crash too often. Need to work out that stuff...
  • Not standard-conform: Some people expect or imagine their messages to look exactly the same as they send them (font, color, size, smiley-icons). This is not always the case. Also newer features (MSN webcam chat) are implemented differently or not complete..

Screenie (very old, faked together to show all features, not that great anyway)...
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I find that if the program works and allows me to talk to my friends and acquaintances through the medium of text, I don't really have a problem with it. MSN is good because most of my friends use it. I don't really care what it looks like or anything.
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Windows Messenger 4.7.

No pointless features and it doesn't take up masses of memory.
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