How many is too many?

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Nadar

I think the whole stats-page is bollocks. According to that page, round 8 lasted 10+ weeks, same as the round before, which of course isn't true.

Kal

I think that's the intended length and not the actual length

[Crowly]

Originally Posted by Travler

I have been told that Rock, Orbit, and Hidden Agenda are using these 5-10 wave tactics. My information could be wrong.

10 waves would use more than half our ally on one gal, much as I'd like to think we can send 150 fleets at a gal, we actually can't.

3 waves usually, 4 waves max.

(we get piggied a lot if that helps.)

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by Crowly

(we get piggied a lot if that helps.)

Then there's the "blasted it's booked full I'll claim a pre/late wave" effect a certain other alliance is famous of at least.

[Crowly]

Yeah, can't deny it, quite a few of our players are renowned for defining their own waves.

[Tietäjä]

And I wasn't even talking about your alliance.

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Tietäjä

And I wasn't even talking about your alliance.

Well drop the cloak and daggers and name the alliance your referring to and give them the chance to read and reply

[Rc mayhem]

Originally Posted by Crowly

10 waves would use more than half our ally on one gal, much as I'd like to think we can send 150 fleets at a gal, we actually can't.

3 waves usually, 4 waves max.

(we get piggied a lot if that helps.)

You 4 wave?? I didn't think any alliance allowed that anymore as it is considered bashing and is pointless anyway because the roid gains would be too low. Do other allies do it?

[Crowly]

4th wave is very seldom covered beyond one or two planets, and it's only if the other waves are all full.

Not to mention, you're assuming that every wave in front of it lands, which never happens, or seldom. Plus on an 800 roid target the 4th wave isn't exactly that bad anyway.

Besides, I've seen F-Crew pile on the waves in previous rds, mr whiter than white.

[Gio2k]

Destiny does 6 waves. Yes, we are evil bastards

[JonnyBGood]

I would tend to believe, based purely on a jgp I saw last night, that CT do six waves. Also I believe exi did five waves last round.

[Rc mayhem]

Originally Posted by Crowly

4th wave is very seldom covered beyond one or two planets, and it's only if the other waves are all full.

Not to mention, you're assuming that every wave in front of it lands, which never happens, or seldom. Plus on an 800 roid target the 4th wave isn't exactly that bad anyway.

Besides, I've seen F-Crew pile on the waves in previous rds, mr whiter than white.

Waves never actually proved to be f-crew because they actually weren't

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Crowly

Besides, I've seen F-Crew pile on the waves in previous rds, mr whiter than white.

Except you haven't as we don't. We are pretty strict with waves and target selection as anyone who's been an F-Crew member and has chosen an unsuitably small target (Roid, Score and Value) or has tried creating extra waves will tell you.

Most members at one point will have got a warning from myself for some attacking violation and many members have been kicked out of the alliance for ignoring warnings. I keep n eye on who's making claims on what planet and i check every co-ord on every jumpgate from our attacks to see if anyone mislaunched, launched without a claim or launching outside the attack window.

All in all you will not find a single attack of ours where more than 3 waves has been ok'd by the HC or the BC's and the few occasions a 4th wave has appeared from one of our members it hasn't been sanctioned and they have had action taken against them for doing so.

P.S Cm's comment I believe wasn't an attack on Orbit but at those people who consistently come and moan at us for over excessive waves when they account for less than 3 per planet. Hence the sacastic nature of the comment.

[Rikard]

we start off with 3 waves which always get booked so a 4th gets opened and that gets booked and a 5th gets opened etc.

i launched a 7th wave once!

[Rc mayhem]

Originally Posted by wakey

P.S Cm's comment I believe wasn't an attack on Orbit but at those people who consistently come and moan at us for over excessive waves when they account for less than 3 per planet. Hence the sacastic nature of the comment.

I didn't think it was sarcastic but your right. One day people will actually work out how to collect 100% accurate intel.

[MotoX]

Yey, I got 6 waves on my sorry 450 fat arse as we speak, lol
All confirmed Destiny fleets, maybe they double booked them self’s!?

[Bane]

Maybe they want to destroy you, not just roid you? :/

[`mac^]

I've got 9 waves today. I started with 380 roids :/ not all 1 ally though. but still, the last person seems happy with the 15 roids or so he will get.

edit: thares actually 14 fleets incomming. there was obviously a need to teamup incase i happen to spend my nonexistent res or leave my fleet home

[Bane]

Originally Posted by `mac^

I've got 9 waves today. I started with 380 roids :/ not all 1 ally though. but still, the last person seems happy with the 15 roids or so he will get.

lol, that sounds like me, then again I'ld be happy with 1, I haven't landed a fleet in almost a week :/.

[Mek]

Originally Posted by MotoX

Yey, I got 6 waves on my sorry 450 fat arse as we speak, lol
All confirmed Destiny fleets, maybe they double booked them self’s!?

destiny sends 4 waves, so ill forgive you for this 1. not your point your intel department is shit

[qebab]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

Destiny does 6 waves. Yes, we are evil bastards

Originally Posted by Rikard

we start off with 3 waves which always get booked so a 4th gets opened and that gets booked and a 5th gets opened etc.

i launched a 7th wave once!

Originally Posted by Mek

destiny sends 4 waves, so ill forgive you for this 1. not your point your intel department is shit

Sure.

[JonnyBGood]

Either yourself or rikard are lying, joking or a complete moron. Which would you like it to be mek?

[Mighteh]

hm... in my experience we fluctuate between 3 waves, then adding up to 3 more (depending on activity. So, sometimes, we have 4, on most ocasion 5, and up to 6 waves)

I hope this clears any confusion. everybody is right ! \o/ rejoice !

Its usually past Mek's bedtime after wave 5 gets opened tho, so he had no chance in knowing

[Forest]

Explains a lot, thank you.

[Mistwraith]

If the galaxy is booked solid and it has some larger planets that are worth it we'll open a 3rd wave but most of the time its 2. Hell we only have 30 players.
When we had more we still only did 2, we just did 2 galaxies instead.

[Rikard]

obviously gio2k mighteh and me agree. that leaves mek to be lying, joking, or a moron which is commen knowledge anyway

[MotoX]

Originally Posted by Mighteh

hm... in my experience we fluctuate between 3 waves, then adding up to 3 more (depending on activity. So, sometimes, we have 4, on most ocasion 5, and up to 6 waves)

I hope this clears any confusion. everybody is right ! \o/ rejoice !

Its usually past Mek's bedtime after wave 5 gets opened tho, so he had no chance in knowing

Well, there you have it -> there is one of the reasons why you not going to win this round.

Waste that much fleet value on such a “small” target!

[Mek]

the base waves that are opened are 3/4 waves.. therefor my point stands.

additional waves are opened where needed, but there is very little circumstances where destiny would 6 wave 450 roids. unless your a complete and utter noob like mighteh who will 6th wave anything ;D

[Mek]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Either yourself or rikard are lying, joking or a complete moron. Which would you like it to be mek?

all of our points are valid. destiny will open 5 and 6 waves (they are opened on all targets automatically by the bot when its set to add a new wave) on targets that warrent it and actually cap more than 50 roids.

so if the wider community wants to accuse us of bashing 450 roid planets go for it, myself and im sure destiny hc dont care what propoganda you spout. all i ask is that if you make wild accusations like that motox that you back it up with proof.

people who say they are "all confirmed" as a certain alliance and say they have "checked the co-ords with multiple arbiters" are sometimes wrong...dont ya know

[Alki]

your own members just said you are wrong, no need to justify yourself, we can all read

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Mek

all of our points are valid. destiny will open 5 and 6 waves (they are opened on all targets automatically by the bot when its set to add a new wave) on targets that warrent it and actually cap more than 50 roids.

so if the wider community wants to accuse us of bashing 450 roid planets go for it, myself and im sure destiny hc dont care what propoganda you spout. all i ask is that if you make wild accusations like that motox that you back it up with proof.

people who say they are "all confirmed" as a certain alliance and say they have "checked the co-ords with multiple arbiters" are sometimes wrong...dont ya know

I wouldn't have chosen complete moron personally but I guess sometimes people like to mix it up and keep everyone guessing. You stated x. x has been shown to be incorrect. not just incorrect but badly incorrect. The fact motox may in fact be talking through his arse and they're asc, f-crew, ct, omen, rock and vgn planets is in fact irrelevant in the question of whether or not your statement was accurate. It was not. You may think I was in fact being harsh with my "moron" comment but not even two posts before motox's post was a post which clearly disagreed with your statement. Now fine you may have actually meant to say we only (deliberately) do four waves on targets of that approximate sense but you didn't.

And for god's sake alki it's spelt "your".

[Mek]

Originally Posted by Alki

you're own members just said you are wrong, no need to justify yourself, we can all read

my own members? im NOT hc alki...is that so hard to comprehend?

[Mek]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

I wouldn't have chosen complete moron personally but I guess sometimes people like to mix it up and keep everyone guessing. You stated x. x has been shown to be incorrect. not just incorrect but badly incorrect. The fact motox may in fact be talking through his arse and they're asc, f-crew, ct, omen, rock and vgn planets is in fact irrelevant in the question of whether or not your statement was accurate. It was not. You may think I was in fact being harsh with my "moron" comment but not even two posts before motox's post was a post which clearly disagreed with your statement. Now fine you may have actually meant to say we only (deliberately) do four waves on targets of that approximate sense but you didn't.

And for god's sake alki it's spelt "your".

i stated it 1 post later. perhaps i should have explained it better in my first post

either way the point still stands that the base waves destiny launches are 3/4. more waves are opened on larger targets where needed. Destiny is not an alliance of bashers.

[DunkelGraf]

Too bad we do not have some allies of bashers.
No ally that has the guts to say, come on lets fight a war and we will bash you down to nothing.

Just boring galraids at the moment....

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Mek

my own members? im NOT hc alki...is that so hard to comprehend?

so why are you posting in a manner, on behalf of destiny, just say nothing and dont get involved, jesus.

p.s. yeah jbg i realised this morning before i read your post so fu

[Remy]

Originally Posted by Rc mayhem

You 4 wave?? I didn't think any alliance allowed that anymore as it is considered bashing and is pointless anyway because the roid gains would be too low. Do other allies do it?

Since when is 4 waving bashing. Please point out where that is defined..... And it isnt pointless on big planets. It is actually a good tactic to drain defense.

Technically bashing doesnt exist, since there are limits to what planets you can attack.

:P

[Stoom]

I saw a planet with 4+ F-Crew waves this morning! Tsk!

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Stoom

I saw a planet with 4+ F-Crew waves this morning! Tsk!

Strange as I have checked and double checked all the jumpgates and there's not a single attack with more than 3 waves from us. If you really think your intels right then supply me with the the planet being attacked and a jumpgate with the co-ords in either an IRC or forum pm and I'll look into it but i can tell you its not on an official F-Crew attack or any other attack where Jumpgate scans have been done by an alliance scanner or any member sharing scans

[jt25man]

Originally Posted by wakey

Strange as I have checked and double checked all the jumpgates and there's not a single attack with more than 3 waves from us. If you really think your intels right then supply me with the the planet being attacked and a jumpgate with the co-ords in either an IRC or forum pm and I'll look into it but i can tell you its not on an official F-Crew attack or any other attack where Jumpgate scans have been done by an alliance scanner or any member sharing scans

I find it amazing that there are so many independant reports about F-Crew doing more than 3 waves, and each time someone from F-Crew responds almost immediately with a well written denial...

[Allfather]

Think its funny when people talk about "bashing" 450 roid planets.
My personal record this round was 5 or 6 waves when i had 200 roids, and the last "wave" i got was only 3-4, but then i had a whopping 150 roids

[Rc mayhem]

Originally Posted by jt25man

I find it amazing that there are so many independant reports about F-Crew doing more than 3 waves, and each time someone from F-Crew responds almost immediately with a well written denial...

I think it could be because the intel on us is not great. 75%+ of our attacks this round have been piggied so it is very understandable if you use this method to work it out.

We do have a level of membership turnover as well. Links from past members to non members could be made and assigned to F-crew. Again this would lead to incorrect intel.

Why are so many people so sure their intel is 100%? It has never been confirmed. I have made this offer to 1 ally but I am happy and interested to see what intel alliances are using once the round ends. Perhaps we could then put some light on why we have this situation of "you 10 wave", "no we don't".

[lokken]

The point isn't bashing, as was rightly pointed out, bashing is now impossible by definition. Razing galaxies for maybe 400-500 rocks with multiple waves doesn't seem to be that efficient when alliances have the obvious capacity to smother a bigger galaxy, get more rocks at a higher rate of xp. And stretch their opposition. And hurt their morale. And make them more susceptible to burn out. And not make extra people mad at you unnecessarily. I just see these raids and think people could play better.

[Alki]

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[Phrazer]

Originally Posted by wakey

While orbit have a history of it in the past

Can i just stop you there Wakey?? To my knowledge you are the only one to ever acuse Orbit of bashing, then when this http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=190692 came up... (insert witty and sarcastic end to this sentence cos i cba, knowing your going to pull your famous "No not me, it wasnt us, show me proof/intel/DNA evidence stunt)

[Gio2k]

Speaking only for my planet, 2 is already one wave too many

[wakey]

Originally Posted by jt25man

I find it amazing that there are so many independent reports about F-Crew doing more than 3 waves, and each time someone from F-Crew responds almost immediately with a well written denial...

Ofc we are going to deny false accusations, and the amount of them you get pretty good at it. We don't however brush them all under the carpet, we take every accusation seriously and when they supply us with the information we check it out and take action against the member if its found to be true.

The problem is most reports are false, often alot of the waves are not ours but another alliance whos also booked the galaxy and its fairly common for the reports to be about galaxies we don't even have members attacking. We do check our jumpgates for anyone 4th waving, we also check for people attacking planets that they shouldn't be and we give members warnings and have even kicked a fair few for repeatedly doing it.

When it is one of our members doing it, we have and do hold our hands up, but unless its an attack the command don't know about (which if/when stoom lets us know where this supposedly took place we will know for sure) this isn't one of these cases

Originally Posted by Phrazer

Can i just stop you there Wakey?? To my knowledge you are the only one to ever acuse Orbit of bashing, then when this http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=190692 came up... (insert witty and sarcastic end to this sentence cos i cba, knowing your going to pull your famous "No not me, it wasnt us, show me proof/intel/DNA evidence stunt)

Actually Orbit HC of the past have freely admitted to mass waving planets. When a party admits to something its no longer an accusation but a fact. And if you really want to pick a fight with me for stating that while you used to do it, it now seems that you don't. You just end up looking foolish in the same way Mek has by making statements that others have already discredited before you have even made them

And the simmons situation you have posted is as far as I know (could never fully confirm it as he wouldn't supply us with the info so we could double check) it was sour grapes. He got multiple warnings from myself when he was a member, so many infact that he was told that one more infraction and we would kick him (he took the option to leave at that point rather than be kicked)

Theres a saying that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and its something I have always taken on board. If i have raised something as a problem or an issue in the game or community even if it was just passing I have always been vigilant in ensuring we dont encourage or support these actions

[Ali]

I personally as a planet like 7 waving people.

[demiGOD]

Originally Posted by Rc mayhem

I think it could be because the intel on us is not great. 75%+ of our attacks this round have been piggied so it is very understandable if you use this method to work it out.

See what they do is after a jpg and realizing that there are more than 3 waves on that target, they check 1 or 2 coords are F-Crew, of those 6, 7 or 8 waves, it's automatically assumed that "oh ahhhahh hhhehheh heh F-cReW bAsHiNg NyHhhshhaehh heh..."

It is a small universe though and it's imperative for everyone to become aware of how small the universe is and there is a huge chance that 2 or more alliances will have the same gal raid targets. This "ohmywtfpwninggoddamn!!! F-cReW bAsHinG nyahhehhahhahhha" bullshit is what it is - Bullshit.

[Ali]

apparently the same happens to me.. they see me and assume my planet is the other 6 waves aswell , but usually they are using the super accurate TGV arbiter at that point which apparently lists me as the player for all the planets :-/

[_Kila_]

Originally Posted by Ali

apparently the same happens to me.. they see me and assume my planet is the other 6 waves aswell , but usually they are using the super accurate TGV arbiter at that point which apparently lists me as the player for all the planets :-/

Clearly made by Cedlind.

[Ali]

Either that or I hacked PA for 7 fleet slots :-/