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Unread 25 Aug 2005, 15:43   #1
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So the case is finished

As some of you will remember, I wrote earlier on GD that I was called in for a 4 day trial.
Today this trial is finished. Actually, the most important part was finished on wednesday, when guilty or not was decided.
Somehow, the case just seem to pop into my mind, even if Im happy with the way it was concluded by the jury (the 10 of us). The idea of "playing god" feels somewhat uncomfortable.
Both to the accused and the person who was the victim, it was so much at stake (several years of prision+compensation or feeling that you and your case was not belived, even if damages was beeing clearly documented).

Is there other GD'ers who have had the same experience after jury service?
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Unread 25 Aug 2005, 16:10   #2
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Re: So the case is finished

This is an anonymous internet forum, so I do believe you're pretty much obliged to give us the nitty-gritty details of the case. No-one will ever know!

Was there any sex?
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Unread 25 Aug 2005, 20:26   #3
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Re: So the case is finished

You voted guilty then?
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Unread 25 Aug 2005, 20:43   #4
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Re: So the case is finished

I like sitting in court. On days I don't work I like to go to the federal court and listen to testimony sometimes.
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Re: So the case is finished

no, never done that. we have a more decent lawsystem here.
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Unread 25 Aug 2005, 23:29   #6
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Re: So the case is finished

It was a rape case. Listning to the details werent exactly "joyful".

What I voted or not, is illegal for me to tell. In any case, its hardly the point.
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Re: So the case is finished

So did you learn how not to get caught for rape then?*









*what mistakes the guy made to get caught/prove the prosecutions case then dont do them etc
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Re: So the case is finished

Isn't it Texan law that you 'vote' your own judges and sheriffs?


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Re: So the case is finished

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What I voted or not, is illegal for me to tell. In any case, its hardly the point.
Say you wrote a story, about a trial, completely unrelated to the one you posted about, it's not even a rape trial, say it was about a juror, how would that juror vote in this fictional trial that you'd write about? This fictional trial that is completely not related to anything we're discusssing here, of course.
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Unread 26 Aug 2005, 00:19   #10
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Re: So the case is finished

it's not illegal in england for you to speak.
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Re: So the case is finished

Yahwe is, as usual on legal positions, correct.

Once the case is over and the outcome decided, and the defendant released/sentenced, youre free to say anything you please about it.

Get a book deal.
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he is foreign, they might be 'wacko'.
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Re: So the case is finished

If the Michael Jacson jury can say 'he probably did it' on the news which was shown to the whole world then I'm sure you can tell your story on an internet forum for a handful of people.
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If the Michael Jacson jury can say 'he probably did it' on the news which was shown to the whole world
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If you think he might have done what is alleged. That is not enough. If you think that he probably did what is alleged. That is not enough. You, ladies and gentlemen must be sure that he did what has been alleged. You yourelf must be sure. Sure to a level which used to called beyond any reasonable doubt.
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Reasonable doubt is so overrated...
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If you think he might have done what is alleged. That is not enough. If you think that he probably did what is alleged. That is not enough. You, ladies and gentlemen must be sure that he did what has been alleged. You yourelf must be sure. Sure to a level which used to called beyond any reasonable doubt.
that's why they didn't find him guilty. I must say that I don't agree with them being able to go on tv and say that type of thing, especially on such a high-profile case as it stigmatises the accused even though he has been found not guilty in a court of law.
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that's why they didn't find him guilty. I must say that I don't agree with them being able to go on tv and say that type of thing, especially on such a high-profile case as it stigmatises the accused even though he has been found not guilty in a court of law.
no one is found 'innocent'. they don't have to be.

everyone is innocent. until they are proven guilty.

it only stigmatises if you believe it stigmatises. (and there too the law will redress the balance, allowing you to sue for compensation against any discrimination)

sk: that's why we use sure. we're just a very old fashioned people and even though we stoped using 'reasonable doubt' years and years ago, we still mention it.
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Re: So the case is finished

Also, by your first post, its obvious you voted guilty
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Re: So the case is finished

Unfortunately I can't relate, cause the trial I was to attend jury duty on was settled before I even got to turn up.
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Poor djbass

The question of the person charged was guilty or not, is another question. Since Im the only one here who was in the court, its kinda hard to debate with GD about that

I was more asking for different views on the responsibility and the feeling of playing God.
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I would rather trust my fate to a jury rather than to a single judge. I believe that 'common' people generally are less likely to convict in certain situations than a judge would. You also have the hope that one juror may find you not innocent and try to convert the rest of them (as in 12 Angry Men).

As for playing God I don't know. I have enough trouble making small decisions in my own life, let alone deciding the fate of someone elses, especially on such a damaging case as a rape where the case usually rests upon his word against hers.
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Re: So the case is finished

[quote=All Systems Go]I would rather trust my fate to a jury rather than to a single judge. QUOTE]
At least in the United States you have the option of having a jury trial or waiving it and proceeding in front of a judge. However, the prosecution also has a right to a jury so if you wanted to proceed in front of a judge they might not. Somethimes, people decide to try their cases in front of a judge if the defense is a technicl one which the judge might better understand.

GK---What country are you in? Do your juries have to be unanamous to convict? Was the person convicted or aquitted? Don't leave us hanging.

I was never called to jury duty before I became an attorney and while I am eligible for jury duty it is unlikely that I would be left on the jury by a defense attorney. (A mistake as I would probably be harder to satisfy than most jurors.) By the same token I would never leave anattorney on a jury of mine. (They are a shifty lot and not to be trusted.)
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I live in Norway.

In serious cases you have 10 people in the jury (this is the secound step in our law system, the third one is the supreme court). It has to be more than 6 who votes guilty out of those 10. He was convicted. It's not told by what numbers, just that it was by more than 6.
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Reasonable doubt is so overrated...
I reckon this guy shot JFK. Somebody lock him up!
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