Ultores R68 Summary

[DrunkenViking]

Someone cares, someone does not, here's the account from Ultores' perspective nevertheless..

Ultores spent the aftermath of the summerround idling and never set up anything proper. In the end we went into the round with less than 40 members and an attitute of "whatever, next round maybe". Xerxes and agar3s spent the weeks before the round proclaiming that they'd be busy in respect to sorting defence during the round, so an alternative plan would have to be in place.

We randomed around untill two weeks into the round where we realised that we had 50+ members and were #2 on sizerank, without defending. Earlier we had set a defencive deal with bows till around pt500 and one with p3ng till pt 600, in order to not get targetted by what we imagined would be the main competitors. With no proper DC's, keeping roids became key in regards to pols.

We soon added a deal with unsullied to limit incs further, and planned to add a deal with either norse or ct to limit potential blocks. We still had no DC's at this point so defencive deals became critical to maintain decent value. CT stalled and norse opted to accept a defencive deal around 3 weeks into the round.

At this time we were "comfy", but knew very well that we had deals expiring at shitty times(midround is usually when ct blocks vs ult for those that haven't noticed"). We tried to get a deal with either Ct or Nd, since we knew we were very vulnerable if we ran into pt600(the time where p3ng deal expired) with no deal with either of the 3. We preassured to get deals overlapping the p3ng deal in order to avoid a block, but neither Nd nor Ct would take it, in desperation, knowing we still had no DC's, we offered p3ng an extention aswell. Noone accepted.

As a result of the uniform replies to previous political talks, we knew a block were coming, and suddenly we recieved word from bows hc that "they had to start hitting us". A quick headcount told us that we had a minimum of 3 allies and now suddenly bows in addition lined up to hit us. We played the "wtf, have you forgotted what we've done for you lately" card and bows changed their course and renewed their deal. They however forgot to inform nd and ct, whom launched at us fully. Then out of the blue the next day p3ng and ct accepted previously offered deals, which left ult with few options but to hit nd.

At this point we were about #1 for score and #1 for roids. Since tickstart we had a few old members show up, and some members who were ment to play with Apprime decided to play with us. So at this moment we were sitting on 60 members, and xerx and agar3s were showing signs of life the past week. Suddenly we realised we had to play for win(which in all honesty had not been a goal so far).

We never wanted to hit nd, as they were skinny, and not competition, but that was what politics left us with. The only way out was by breaking deals, which we don't do, so there we were. We had an expiring deal with p3ng, so as soon as we could, we swithed to p3ng(who were still within 20 mill and a contender) and offered nd a deal. Later bows asked us not to hit p3ng, since p3ng might turn on them, but it was too late for us to do anything else since nd had already accepted the deal anyway.

p3ng dropped fast, since norse was also hitting them at the time. We decided not to coordinate with norse, simply because we didn't want to "block", which ment we piggied and went at them very inefficiently. But in the end p3ng faced two alliances and dropped from the competition for tagwin.

Again we faced deal expiration, this time the overlap of deals were not as well organized. We had originally planned to switch to targetting ct to a certain degree, but were now hearing rumours that bows were coming. We poked around and found that at least bows/p3ng/ct were definately coming our way. About time! Time to ground! agar3s and xerxes had been eased into it by this time, and we were ready to fight off a block. We still gave bows a lot of shit for breaking their deal, which was pretty sad considering half the hc didn't even know they had made a deal with ult.

Incs came rating between 200 and 285 fleets per 24 hrs. To our surprise we found rather big waves from asc and hr in there, which made us question our targetting the first 600 ticks. We had certainly pissed someone off unintentionally. Everyone stepped up and we got the job done with rather low losses all things considered. When we realised there were no way bows would catch up, we offererd Ct a deal in order to not having to gound the rest of the round. At this point the win was given, but we wanted some fun at the end. Ct took it, and p3ng soon dropped from targetting us leaving bows alone vs ult, something forces in both allies wanted. Then the round ended as it will tomorrow! I'm off to the mountains to catch some trout!

Thanks for an interesting round!

[Mzyxptlk]

For the record, VORHERRSCHAFT is not pissed off. We're just assholes.

[Paisley]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

For the record, VORHERRSCHAFT is not pissed off. We're just assholes.

I claim the copyright on the use of ASCHOLE

[Kargool]

How many rounds has Ultores won now? Surley they must have beaten the alliances of old by lots and lots.

I would seriously be concerned about stagnation if I was in the PA team by now, but I guess with less than 500 active players that is a given?

[Xerxes]

Originally Posted by Kargool

How many rounds has Ultores won now? Surley they must have beaten the alliances of old by lots and lots.

I would seriously be concerned about stagnation if I was in the PA team by now, but I guess with less than 500 active players that is a given?

Last time we won was 4 rounds agoo - hardly a sign of stagnation.

[Munkee]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

p3ng dropped fast, since norse was also hitting them at the time. We decided not to coordinate with norse, simply because we didn't want to "block", which ment we piggied and went at them very inefficiently. But in the end p3ng faced two alliances and dropped from the competition for tagwin.

Interesting read, however for clarification it wasn't just norse. I'll allow Brams inc stats to cover it in detail but nd, illu, unsullied, norse, hr were all hitting us before you guys decided to jump on too.

[DrunkenViking]

Ah, well we were unaware of that munkee, didn't coordinate with anyone. In the end your deal was expiring so it was more about choices(or lack of), than piling on anything.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Ah, well we were unaware of that munkee, didn't coordinate with anyone. In the end your deal was expiring so it was more about choices(or lack of), than piling on anything.

I doubt you would start ptarget a alliance without any incs.
You joined the bandwagon knowing they allready had loads of incs, claiming anything otherwise would be pretty bold.

[Munkee]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Ah, well we were unaware of that munkee, didn't coordinate with anyone. In the end your deal was expiring so it was more about choices(or lack of), than piling on anything.

Probably worth re-reading whatsapp as I told you about our inc after you told us you were planning to expire the deal. But anyways its all over now anyway

[lokken]

Can't believe the round was decided by 'look what we've done for you!'

[fortran]

Originally Posted by lokken

Can't believe the round was decided by 'look what we've done for you!'

Is there in nature a force stronger than a betrayed lover?

[lokken]

Originally Posted by fortran

Is there in nature a force stronger than a betrayed lover?

Sometimes in pa you just have to say 'but we want to win'. They actually arranged something workable and backed out: they will probably regret that. And in this era of pa no one is to be trusted anyway. So why worry.

As a disclaimer it is way easier looking at things from the outside than being in the hotseat yourself.

[Xerxes]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

Almost TLDNR, but only almost

Some corrections, think you were a bit drunk I started dcing around tick 300

We were a bit behind the top allies in the beginning. We started to catch up around tick 300 when a decent chunk of our members late-started and at the same time I started to DC. Once our DC operation were decent again with most of our core signed up and 1 dc - we kinda quickly catched up to the rest. This can be seen on KIA as well. We reached rank 1 in around 200 ticks, mainly because we weren't that far behind to begin with.

When a block eventually came for us, our late starters had gained decent value and also agar3s started to DC as well.

I think we did really well - I didn't expect anything from this round since we started out with absolutley no organization, but we ended the round our usual selves.

Was a fun round to be sure. And thanks to all our members for their usual hard work and getting up at bizarre hours to send defence. Our team is by far the best, and we proved that again by beating 4 allies (plus Asc for 2 days) at once.

[DrunkenViking]

Tbh, I have a few I trust when it comes to pols. Most allies is true to their word. A few isn't.

[Clouds]

It's sad that you muppets are incapable of working together to take out a common enemy. Too selfish to do what needs to be done.

[ReaperSix]

Originally Posted by Clouds

It's sad that you muppets are incapable of working together to take out a common enemy. Too selfish to do what needs to be done.

I may be a muppet but you're a furbie.

FYI for those who don't know a furbie may be the. Most annoying child gift ever. They simply won't shut up and go away. Ref see: bbitcher

[Colt]

Butcher keeps claiming this...can only assume he knows he can't defend the real reason we hit them quite a lot (hello ptarget!!) and so keeps repeating something he supposedly heard....

[Hunterrrr]

I would like to confirm B-Butch3rs statement.

As a long time member of Ultores I know for a fact that:
- VORHERRSCHAFT (previously Heroes, Ascendancy) is a support tag of Ultores
- Agar3s has direct control of the planets in the tag of VORHERRSCHAFT using remote control (VNC)

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Colt

Butcher keeps claiming this...can only assume he knows he can't defend the real reason we hit them quite a lot (hello ptarget!!) and so keeps repeating something he supposedly heard....

Well why not keep repeating it?
Its not like you choose who to hit randomly.
Would you hit your friend? I dont think so.
Yeah we targeted you for a couple of days, except for that we didnt target you that much more than anyone else

[Wouter]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Well why not keep repeating it?
Its not like you choose who to hit randomly.
Would you hit your friend? I dont think so.
Yeah we targeted you for a couple of days, except for that we didnt target you that much more than anyone else

Colt has no friends, he hates all and is hated by all.

[Cochese]

Hunter speaks the truth!

[lokken]

Originally Posted by DrunkenViking

To our surprise we found rather big waves from asc and hr in there, which made us question our targetting the first 600 ticks.

Clearly a cunning manoeuvre by Chimpie in cahoots with mz to direct waves at select ultores planets to give an impression of ascendancy's independence from the hive mind. Great play.

[fortran]

Originally Posted by lokken

Clearly a cunning manoeuvre by Chimpie in cahoots with mz to direct waves at select ultores planets to give an impression of ascendancy's independence from the hive mind. Great play.

At least in Cardi's case, what were the odds he would finish the round or wouldn't be kicked? A good gamble imo.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by fortran

At least in Cardi's case, what were the odds he would finish the round or wouldn't be kicked? A good gamble imo.

You clearly don't know him..

[BloodyButcher]

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...&postcount=144
Okey, maybe it wasnt mz who said it, but he sure followed up with that Benneh always recieves more incs than others.

[Colt]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...&postcount=144
Okey, maybe it wasnt mz who said it, but he sure followed up with that Benneh always recieves more incs than others.

So you decided to translate that into why asc "reformed" even though clouds is nothing to do with ascendancy aswell as the fact what was said is not the same as what you implied and inferred as to why you got hit

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Colt

So you decided to translate that into why asc "reformed" even though clouds is nothing to do with ascendancy aswell as the fact what was said is not the same as what you implied and inferred as to why you got hit

Its hard for you to see it from the other side i suppose.
We keep looking at the same number, you say its 6 and i say its 9.
Clouds has been HC in the alliance that Benneh has been playing in for ages, so i think its a pretty reliable source when he says Benneh dont play value anymore because of the brazillians/others giving him incs.

SInce you are not bothered with playing the game yourself anymore, you decided that its more fun to "troll" the univers with giving them random incs.
Its your choice, nobody is gonna put you in jail for it.

[Colt]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Its hard for you to see it from the other side i suppose.
We keep looking at the same number, you say its 6 and i say its 9.
Clouds has been HC in the alliance that Benneh has been playing in for ages, so i think its a pretty reliable source when he says Benneh dont play value anymore because of the brazillians/others giving him incs.

SInce you are not bothered with playing the game yourself anymore, you decided that its more fun to "troll" the univers with giving them random incs.
Its your choice, nobody is gonna put you in jail for it.

I don't need to look at it from the other side. You claimed asc was setup to hit the Brazilians, I rebuffed that statement. Anything else is just you trying to seek some kind of justification for the crap you want to believe.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

random incs

I'm glad to see we're finally in agreement.

[ricoshay]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

We keep looking at the same number, you say its 6 and i say its 9.
Clouds has been HC in the alliance that Benneh has been playing in for ages, so i think its a pretty reliable source when he says Benneh dont play value anymore because of the brazillians/others giving him incs.

The Benneh thing, the Asc had pre-round set targets, the other whole bunch of crap you're flying around, trying to justify your pathetic military and political actions this round, wow.

You just keep repeating the same "items" in the hope that if you're saying them often enough people will start believing it's the truth. For the life of me, I can't figure out if you're genuinely convinced of it all or you're just taking a shot at becoming an Orwellian Squealer figure.

[Shhhhhhh]

It's nicer to believe things happen for a reason and it's not all just random

[BloodyButcher]

Well how they made it sound was that the agreement for them(some Asc/Heroes guys apparently) being in the Ultores channels is that they didnt hit Ult, seeing that they were/are in the Ult channels preround might sound like they never were expected to be hitting Ult this round.
Once they hit Ult, they were apparently removed, as they wernt following the rules of "Ultores" members not to be hitting other ultores "members".

Maybe Asc will claim that their attentions never was anything close to what the inc stats from previous round and them hanging around in ult priv channel would point towards, but they are some way or another responsibole themself for people assuming this in the first place.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

they are some way or another responsibole themself for people assuming this in the first place.

I refuse to take responsibility when "people" (Butcher pretending to represent majority opinion non-shocker) insist on drawing the conclusion I and others have explicitly said is incorrect.

We hit Ultores, and when they didn't hit us back, we moved on. We hit p3nguins, and when they didn't hit us back (after 2 days), we moved on. We hit RainbowS, and when they continued being our top hostile for well over a week, we chose not to move on.

I'm not sure why that's hard for you to understand.

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

I refuse to take responsibility when "people" (Butcher pretending to represent majority opinion non-shocker) insist on drawing the conclusion I and others have explicitly said is incorrect.

I'm not sure why that's hard for you to understand.

Ah, great post.
Where did you get "people" to become "the majority of all people"?
This is the trolling ABC.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Ah, great post.
Where did you get "people" to become "the majority of all people"?
This is the trolling ABC.

Why did you leave out the middle part of his post?

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by eksero

Why did you leave out the middle part of his post?

Because i have no information wich would leave that in question.
The whole discussion was revolving around what people might expect out of a tag wich has a number of members inside the Ultores private channels.
Fotran also brought up previous round stats wich seems to point toward most of the other top tags seems to suffer the same "ill adviced" moves wich BowS did this round in previous rounds.

[Clouds]

This cripple fight is laughably pathetic.

[Hunterrrr]

I was I was psychic like B-Butch3r.

[lokken]

Ascendancy have connections. Bastards.

[fortran]

Mz in the first page said Bows got ~400 more extra incs being hostile to VOR. But we believed we would get half of that playing nice anyway. So we chose not to. The roids were easy and the cost was affordable.

Bows had many flaws in politics and activity. They affected us way more than VOR incs.

[Clouds]

The Asc/Heroes lot works for Ult and you don't need someone with a PHD to work out that Ultores would've gotten the Asc tag to hit Rainbows while they were still on 'friendly' terms. Cold war tactics; get your (allied) competitor taken out without getting your hands dirty.

Good for Bows to grow some balls.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by Clouds

The Asc/Heroes lot works for Ult and you don't need someone with a PHD to work out that Ultores would've gotten the Asc tag to hit Rainbows while they were still on 'friendly' terms. Cold war tactics; get your (allied) competitor taken out without getting your hands dirty.

Good for Bows to grow some balls.

Yeah you're right, except for the part where they hit who they want

[Clouds]

Originally Posted by eksero

Yeah you're right, except for the part where they hit who they want

They hit who they want except Ultores.

[Colt]

Originally Posted by Clouds

They hit who they want except Ultores.

Guess we are working for Norse then, not ult by your logic as that is the only ally we didn't hit, but hey don't let facts get in the way!!

[fortran]

Originally Posted by Colt

Guess we are working for Norse then, not ult by your logic as that is the only ally we didn't hit, but hey don't let facts get in the way!!

If this was real life, you would be Ultores' b1tch, Norse would be the 20 yo lover and Bows the old fat wife it had to continue carrying.

[Mzyxptlk]

Not your best troll, Clouds.

[Clouds]

You can try and pretend what you like, but I think everyone knows the close relationship between the Asc/Heroes core and Ultores. That's why the Ultores HC team threw an almighty emo-fit the round Asc blocked against them. Ultores effectively gave up and went on an emo rampage to punish Asc, because their assumption that Asc would fall in line was wrong.

Bows are likely to fall back in line and be Ultores' bitch again next round anyway because Ultores has the tendency to go on an emo rampage and punish against anyone who "betrayed" them.

The main reason why Bows allied Ultores in the first place many rounds ago was because when they fought them, they weren't landing, and Ultores took them out with a block.

However, Bows are a much stronger alliance now, so I shan't speculate on future events.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by Clouds

You can try and pretend what you like, but I think everyone knows the close relationship between the Asc/Heroes core and Ultores. That's why the Ultores HC team threw an almighty emo-fit the round Asc blocked against them. Ultores effectively gave up and went on an emo rampage to punish Asc, because their assumption that Asc would fall in line was wrong.

Bows are likely to fall back in line and be Ultores' bitch again next round anyway because Ultores has the tendency to go on an emo rampage and punish against anyone who "betrayed" them.

The main reason why Bows allied Ultores in the first place many rounds ago was because when they fought them, they weren't landing, and Ultores took them out with a block.

However, Bows are a much stronger alliance now, so I shan't speculate on future events.

I wonder if anyone's gonna bite

[Colt]

Originally Posted by Clouds

You can try and pretend what you like, but I think everyone knows the close relationship between the Asc/Heroes core and Ultores. That's why the Ultores HC team threw an almighty emo-fit the round Asc blocked against them. Ultores effectively gave up and went on an emo rampage to punish Asc, because their assumption that Asc would fall in line was wrong.

Bows are likely to fall back in line and be Ultores' bitch again next round anyway because Ultores has the tendency to go on an emo rampage and punish against anyone who "betrayed" them.

The main reason why Bows allied Ultores in the first place many rounds ago was because when they fought them, they weren't landing, and Ultores took them out with a block.

However, Bows are a much stronger alliance now, so I shan't speculate on future events.

You can try and pretend you know and speculate all you like....I could tell you blue is blue and yellow is yellow you'd still try and convince people otherwise just because you don't want to believe something...

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Colt

You can try and pretend you know and speculate all you like....I could tell you blue is blue and yellow is yellow you'd still try and convince people otherwise just because you don't want to believe something...

Maybe you have been away for way to long to understand why people assume such things.
Why on earth would Asc members have access to the Ultores channels for so long, up untill they attacked them?
Theyve been playing for a while havnt they?