By the skin of our teeth.

[Barrow|Pony]

Exactly Bladze, why should what happened in round 3, or round 6, or any previous round dictate the course of this one? The PA-crew struggles to make the game more exciting, but yet all the coding changes in the world couldn't make as much of an impact as your command's decision in the coming weeks.

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by lokken

As much faffing about as Fury/Legion in r5 this round, there really is.

Utter garbage. Gutless garbage.

All this 'never betrayed an ally' and 'Stagnation is part of the game' stuff is bollocks when a game is at this point. I know there are far less planets, but there are potential enemies out there, about 3 of them by my count, so that's not an excuse.

And people wonder why Barrow is upset

heh

call it what you will - every round stagnation has been te main complaint - every round teh winning alliances are asked to split. You were part of a block once and you side swapped which is good - but you never had to break up your own block. Maybe that was an error at round start, but I see no reason why we should disband fr anyone - even in a smaller universe.

hate it or love it it happens every round,

[Barrow|Pony]

If we all played second fiddle to the old adage of 'well, nobody else has done it', we'd be sitting in a cave eating our own crap.

Try something new, create a whole new game for your players to dominate in. You allready won this one.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Rumad

hate it or love it it happens every round,

Looks very different from the other side of the fence doesn't it

[Rumad]

the fence used to bother me. NOw i am old and i have se with my gf regularly I don't see teh fence so much as i see friends who deserve a decent set of allies and one last crack at being teh best without any major dramas.

I hate blocking and i I haven't changed that view, but our members deserve a decent round. The die hards like irvine and alch and LB who round after orund have been there for the alliance of nearly dids.

As the least playing of HC's I dont see what the fuss is about. It happens EVERY ROUND. One block comes out on top and so on. Anyway time to knock off - i have to leave work and go home and spend some time with my gf

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

If we all played second fiddle to the old adage of 'well, nobody else has done it', we'd be sitting in a cave eating our own crap.

Try something new, create a whole new game for your players to dominate in. You allready won this one.

ok try this adage "why fix something that isnt broke?"

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

You think the game of Planetarion isn't broken? Wow, I guess I just assumed that was a universal standard.

ahh sorry

I was presuming you meant something I actually had control over.

Pa has been broken since way beack when.

[Riddim]

Originally Posted by Rumad

4 blocks and 3 have failed early - why is that our fault?

FAnG has never dropped an ally and tbh I don't see it happen now - I knw why ppl get upset having been on both sides. But so many pplhave been in at least 1 winning block at some time or another. Ppl here need to realsie how hippocritical it is to ask allies to drop one another.

Stagnation is part of the game - whats needed is new players and new alliances and more easy roids so the alliances can avoid each otehr initially.

I say get killmark to run 50k bot planets for everyone to feed off \o/

We didn't have trouble going to war with Xanadu in round 6, being in FoS and having been friendly to Xanadu in PA from their Virus period on upto that point.
It didn't change the feelings I had about Xanadu, nor did it change their feelings towards me or ND. (we went into an eve online project together shortly after that)

In fact I think I remember having a pleasant chat with sastul or grim the evening of the declaration of war or day after whatever. Both parties knew it had to be done and we did, for the good of the game.

At this stage there is no excuse not to take that in account, the good of the game. Perhaps even out of respect for the people who try to keep this game alive, or better yet, bring some new life in it.

[LeviUK]

TBH Riddim - it's a little like playing half way through a game in 'Easy' and pretty comfortable, why would you consider changing it to 'Hard'? I can understand FPM's stance and look forward to the remainder of the round which if anything, promises not to be dull for us in ND.

[Rumad]

this isnt aimed at ND necessarily riddim - just my view on it. I dont see how one jesture afetr 11 rounds of selfish behaviour will change anything tbh.

[Blazde]

Originally Posted by Rumad

for a start no alliance has ever made the sacrifice you talk about and if 1 or 2 alies leave the other it essentially is a sacrifice. One will lose out to the benefit of the other 2.

There is this too, and you've said it not me. Winning the round with MISTU is certainly worth a lot more than winning the round with a huge great big block and being so stuborn everyone hates you for ruining the round. It's certainly a gamble, but as you say there's benefit as well as loss.

Incidentally my personal observation is that Phraktos HC aren't as simple minded as you. Phraktos don't have the long losing history that FAnG have, so they can afford to go for broke, and they certainly aren't uber-content sitting in 2nd place. Getting WP on board, silencing any further sources of allies that FAnG could draw on (ND), while staying silent on AD and not making further enemies as FAnG are doing, looks like a masterplan in full operation to me. I trust FAnG has a contingency plan if her allies don't share Rumad's views about stagnation?

[Riddim]

Originally Posted by Rumad

this isnt aimed at ND necessarily riddim - just my view on it. I dont see how one jesture afetr 11 rounds of selfish behaviour will change anything tbh.

I didn't say that, just said it's perfectly possible to be hostile to an alliance for a round and still be friends.
Or isn't it? This is a game right?

[Rumad]

its FAnG

And I dont think I am making any enemies. If you ND are cool ppl and i wish them well, bt my concern are with FAnG and its members. I have never looked past that in any of the rounds I have been with them

As for FAnG - we stick to our agreements but round 7 shows we are not so naive as to be ready for any fight which lands on our door.

[Edit] As for dropping one ally you just end up with 30 ppl to roid and a lot fo defectors. Whats the benefit of that for phraktos with the majority of shared gals?

Random may have seen very different political happenings. But I think your way off with a block split.

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by Riddim

I didn't say that, just said it's perfectly possible to be hostile to an alliance for a round and still be friends.
Or isn't it? This is a game right?

no way you can stay friends after a war - war incites bad feeling in the online game. And yeah it is just a game - one themembers put much time and effort into.

[god113]

Why are people pressuring FaNG to break allies.. they are on their way to winning. If anything, it is up to Phraktos, as if they play their cards right they could win. I mean, ND/WP/Phraktos > FaNG/Mistu. As it is, FaNG sit on their asses and win easy round.

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by Rumad

4 blocks and 3 have failed early - why is that our fault?

4? What are the 4?

I remember in R9, WE V ET, that is a similar situation to how this round is. No opposition, just hitting people who have little chance of hurting you, unless you **** up. We can attack you all we like, but its rare we'll get through. And you seem happy that it is this way. I'd rather lose in style than win by bashing people smaller than me. But maybe thats just the ND mentality, and maybe we're a dying breed, by the look of you at the top, it seems so.

[LeviUK]

Originally Posted by god113

As it is, FaNG sit on their asses and win easy round.

I think that's the point.

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by god113

Why are people pressuring FaNG to break allies.. they are on their way to winning. If anything, it is up to Phraktos, as if they play their cards right they could win. I mean, ND/WP/Phraktos > FaNG/Mistu. As it is, FaNG sit on their asses and win easy round.

It's aimed at the whole block, but FAnG are the only ones replying in the thread.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Rumad

no way you can stay friends after a war - war incites bad feeling in the online game. And yeah it is just a game - one themembers put much time and effort into.

Easy, just a game innit - if friends value their relationships over you, let em walk - and they'll be your enemies, meaning you have a legitimate reason to roid 'em this time

Chav it up

[Blazde]

Originally Posted by Rumad

And I dont think I am making any enemies.

If a FAnG vs Phraktos war goes off now, guess which side your attitude in this thread makes me want to be on.

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

It's aimed at the whole block, but FAnG are the only ones replying in the thread.

actually i am but onehc with m own ideas and what i think is right for a round. I give my own opinion here, but I play devls advocate as I think its only right I do.

Any decsion by FAnG would be made as a hc - but we are not about to be forced under peer pressure to make decisions which could affect our members future.

If it is only a game lokken why are so amny stressed at 3 allainces doing well?

[Shaithess]

Yea, I'm beginning to have a hatred towards FAnG, and want their planets to be smashed to pieces...

But there's still a bunch of great guys (and girls, ofc) in FAnG who I'm not going to be hostile to just because I'm trying to kill them in some online game... Kudos to Icewind for example, for being an awesome GC in PaX and being a great guy in general. Sure, I might be trying to kill FAnG, but I still wanna be mates with him

[Blazde]

Originally Posted by Rumad

If it is only a game lokken why are so amny stressed at 3 allainces doing well?

Because it happened to be a game we liked quite a bit before you took it hostage?

[Rumad]

Originally Posted by Blazde

If a FAnG vs Phraktos war goes off now, guess which side your attitude in this thread makes me want to be on.

i dont have an attitude - i have too few roids for that these days - i just have a view that there is the difference.

with any luck you will side with teh underdog if it ever did happen - cause no one wants to see a slaughter

[LeviUK]

Originally Posted by Rumad

If it is only a game lokken why are so amny stressed at 3 allainces doing well?

i rather suspect it's an expectation based on a few previous rounds (such as r6 when FoS and XeTa seperated and r9 when WEET split etc) - some people are only enjoying themselves when on the winning side which means there are a lot of players outside of FPM who aren't enjoying the round. It's not quite like a game of CounterStrike where a losing team can simply pick themselves back up after 10 mins.. once one side gain the upper hand in PA, it can simply mean weeks of relentless losing with no chance of fighting back. That disenchantment kicks off a chain reaction which has people leaving or at the very least, playing less which makes it all the more 'challenging' for the rest of us who fight on. At the end of the round, even the victorious side may be left feeling short-changed.

[Riddim]

Originally Posted by Rumad

no way you can stay friends after a war - war incites bad feeling in the online game. And yeah it is just a game - one themembers put much time and effort into.

I guess u didn't read my previous post. I just gave u an example of the opposite.
It's possible ofcourse u can't do that. But then there is something fundamentally wrong with the way u think about Planetarion.

Do u see urself going mad at ur friend, because u played Warcraft or Age of Empires or UT or CS or whatever game, with some peeps and u ended up in opposite teams and he perhaps wooped ur ass?

[Riddim]

Originally Posted by Rumad

actually i am but onehc with m own ideas and what i think is right for a round. I give my own opinion here, but I play devls advocate as I think its only right I do.

Any decsion by FAnG would be made as a hc - but we are not about to be forced under peer pressure to make decisions which could affect our members future.

If it is only a game lokken why are so amny stressed at 3 allainces doing well?

Because it ruins the game for the 85% other people who payed for a whole round which is very bad for the game itself overall.

[Blazde]

Originally Posted by Rumad

with any luck you will side with teh underdog if it ever did happen - cause no one wants to see a slaughter

Luck is a terrible thing to rely on.

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Rumad

its FAnG

And I dont think I am making any enemies. If you ND are cool ppl and i wish them well, bt my concern are with FAnG and its members. I have never looked past that in any of the rounds I have been with them

As for FAnG - we stick to our agreements but round 7 shows we are not so naive as to be ready for any fight which lands on our door.

[Edit] As for dropping one ally you just end up with 30 ppl to roid and a lot fo defectors. Whats the benefit of that for phraktos with the majority of shared gals?

Random may have seen very different political happenings. But I think your way off with a block split.

Except even in r5 there was a block split which is what many ppl are comparing this too.

You quite simply are not going to be able to progress through the rest of this round with what you have left to hit right now. A split will happen in your block, and you thus need to make such preparations. If even the stagnator king Fury had to split blocks, then what makes you think you wont have too?

Members after all want action, they dont want to be not attacked and always hitting crap targets. How long do you seriously expect ND to last in being a worthwhile enemy to roid?

[Barrow|Pony]

Originally Posted by Rumad

with any luck you will side with teh underdog if it ever did happen - cause no one wants to see a slaughter

Ahahahahhahahahahaha. Seriously though?

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Rumad

have fun , cause under pressure fun and spirit keeps an alliance together.

though if you really think 3 of the biggest alliances this round are concentrating on you I think your sadly mistaken. Its all about the roids.

Good Luck anyway.

that stament makes me sad

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Barrow|Pony

If we all played second fiddle to the old adage of 'well, nobody else has done it', we'd be sitting in a cave eating our own crap.

Try something new, create a whole new game for your players to dominate in. You allready won this one.

its kinda sad what happens at the moment - but i guess its your own fault.

maybe you should have sided VEL when you had the chance.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Blazde

If a FAnG vs Phraktos war goes off now, guess which side your attitude in this thread makes me want to be on.

Bingo.

Rumad, there's little point in defending the indefensible and MISTU and Phraktos HC have got it bang on by not posting here. If war does break out by other than your hand it will be you against the universe i'd expect, as it seems no one likes your alliance very much. Should that be the case, you deserve to get beat.

Step up to the plate on the other hand - well things could be very different.

Alternatively, you can hope that everyone sticks in block-o-rama.

Just my meaningless AD 2 pence.

[Legator]

Originally Posted by Rumad

the fence used to bother me. NOw i am old and i have se with my gf regularly I don't see teh fence so much as i see friends who deserve a decent set of allies and one last crack at being teh best without any major dramas.

I hate blocking and i I haven't changed that view, but our members deserve a decent round. The die hards like irvine and alch and LB who round after orund have been there for the alliance of nearly dids.

As the least playing of HC's I dont see what the fuss is about. It happens EVERY ROUND. One block comes out on top and so on. Anyway time to knock off - i have to leave work and go home and spend some time with my gf

omg...its getting worse.

atleast finally you admit that you wanted to win for all costs and that you shit on the game.

its not round 5,6 or 7 or earlier anymore its round 10,5 and the game has changed. pa only has a few players left and you still dont give a ****.

its not about whining or other shit ppl post here - its about "view".

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally Posted by Rumad

call it what you will - every round stagnation has been te main complaint - every round teh winning alliances are asked to split. You were part of a block once and you side swapped which is good - but you never had to break up your own block. Maybe that was an error at round start, but I see no reason why we should disband fr anyone - even in a smaller universe.

hate it or love it it happens every round,

START ATTACKING WP YOU CHICKEN SHITS.

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by Legator

its kinda sad what happens at the moment - but i guess its your own fault.

maybe you should have sided VEL when you had the chance.

I think I speak for most of ND when I say we'd rather be getting ****ed by the top 3 alliances than ally Ely

[Legator]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

I think I speak for most of ND when I say we'd rather be getting ****ed by the top 3 alliances than ally Ely

hehe lol

[Barrow|Pony]

I dont think you do fish. :/

[alch]

You guys all look sad.
So because an alliance is #1, you call them "bad and sad" alliance?
because we are the only one to reply in this thread giving the exact reason and not being coward, you hate us more for that?
i dont get you. really.
What have we done wrong? siding with 2 other alliance which all together is maybe half of WP+ND+VGN+EVL

that what we done wrong?
so because we are winning and because some other Alliance (WP and ND) remained to sit on the fence. you are calling us "shitting on the game" or "stagnator" ?

I really wanna know what name you would call us if we would drop our allies.
"unloyal and greedy F@#!@" or "Backstabber" and blablabla

so either we do this or we do this, FAnG will always be the hated and the sad alliance.
Got you.
Thanks again for all of you that manage to kill the enjoyment some player have.

This is again my own personal and SAD view.
Treating FAnGer this way, just show how all hypocrite you are.
For once some of you are in the winning side and that time to start to whine about us being the evil.

[Barrow|Pony]

Alch, regardless of how this round started - you are faced with two options. You can keep on raiding the life out of everyone outside of your block - providing quality laughs and excellent comedy material to your members collective ego...or, you can make a switch - providing quality entertainment and excellent 'true-Planetarion' material to the entire universe.

I dont hate Fang, I dont think you're sad, or unloyal, or greedy F@#!@'s. I do think you're making the wrong decision, and knowingly or unknowingly watering down the quality of play as a result.

And please, don't think I hate you for replying. This is what alliance politics is all about - discussion, albeit heated, about the course of events that determine the future of this game. Thanks for taking the time to hang out and reply, even if you do call me a fence sitter.

[Jackal2112]

FPM r ghey blockers. whats new?

The rest is crap and get's beaten up. Until P+M beat up FAnG and FAnG loses.. AGAIN. Sweet..

[god113]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

It's aimed at the whole block, but FAnG are the only ones replying in the thread.

Ah sorry, my point was that I don't think that any of the block will do anything just because the loosing block want them to. In my opinion the only chance the round has is if the alliances inside the block stop seeing it as a 'block win' and instead take the frame of mind that 'Fang is winning, how are we gonna be em..'

I think if the community accepted that block wins count for nothing, each round would be that bit more exciting, as they would battle to the end. Anyway, I don't know why i'm saying all this, I don't think many people would disagree.

Also the post was kind of *hinting* at what I wanted to happen.

[tygercub]

how can you even substantiate ND fence-sitting this round?

[TehVader]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

I think I speak for most of ND when I say we'd rather be getting ****ed by the top 3 alliances than ally Ely

But you don't speak for me, and I'm the one who matters... right?

[Fimu]

Oh my god.

It will be always like that.

Owning ppl, owned ppl. Winners and whinners.

Thats the only thing for sure you might bet for happening in a round. And prolly ppl will talk about it in the forums and say how r6, 7, 2, 3 or whatever they were good, or point something that happened before so they can have this little support in their speeches.

[tygercub]

talk about fence sitting...

ND is consistently hit by four gals...

i was hit last night by someone from xx:yy:zz, the same xx:yy:zz that has three ND members in his gal.

fence sitting? look at xx:yy:zz, someone more than twice my size hitting me in waves... while benefitting from the protection ND affords his gal.

"i'll try to roid ND silly but they won't touch me because i have three ND in my gal!"

elite.

[Gerbie]

Why do you think they treat you this way?

I think I have to agree that it's not really personal. To win you need to block. Blocking leads to stagnation. Those responsible for the stagnation are considered evil.

You deserved complaints when you started blocking. The only thing to end the complaints will be to split the block. Maybe even ask for a shuffle. People will have a new ground for complaining, but that will end sooner or later. I think most of the public is ready for a split. How many still complain about the Nar vs WEET split, or the WE vs ET split?

Whatever you do you will be critisized. But in the end it's inevitable, unless you want to alienate more members from your alliance ( a couple already rather got roided then continue this).

[LeviUK]

Originally Posted by tygercub

talk about fence sitting...

ND is consistently hit by four gals...

i was hit last night by someone from xx:yy:zz, the same xx:yy:zz that has three ND members in his gal.

fence sitting? look at xx:yy:zz, someone more than twice my size hitting me in waves... while benefitting from the protection ND affords his gal.

"i'll try to roid ND silly but they won't touch me because i have three ND in my gal!"

elite.

and I truly believe such protection should now end. I recommend that those planets be launched on again and again until they are hit and damaged.. if they are friends of the ND in-gal so be it - I would do the same if it were an FPM member in my gal (which there is before the fence-sitting fans begin) hitting ND members - in fact I'd have no more qualms about that than I would making someone bankrupt in monopoly or taking their pieces in chess.

You know what they say about cornered rats..

[Fimu]

It's aimed at the whole block, but FAnG are the only ones replying in the thread.

oi, im phraktos =D

[The_Fish]

Originally Posted by Gerbie

Why do you think they treat you this way?

I think I have to agree that it's not really personal. To win you need to block. Blocking leads to stagnation. Those responsible for the stagnation are considered evil.

You deserved complaints when you started blocking. The only thing to end the complaints will be to split the block. Maybe even ask for a shuffle. People will have a new ground for complaining, but that will end sooner or later. I think most of the public is ready for a split. How many still complain about the Nar vs WEET split, or the WE vs ET split?

Whatever you do you will be critisized. But in the end it's inevitable, unless you want to alienate more members from your alliance ( a couple already rather got roided then continue this).

You make some fair points. The first paragraph especially. However, its what they do when they have stagnated the game that is at issue here. FPM(W) have won the round, yet there is still plenty of time left of the round, and they are just sat on their arses hitting much much smaller planets and alliances. It's rather pathetic really. They could do a WE ET style split, and wouldnt get any complaints for it, its the honourable thing to do, an honourable break, like the WE ET one (which, btw, I havent heard any complaints about). Stagnating the game by staying allied might be honourable to the allies involved, but not to the rest of the universe, anbd the future of the game.

And I'm sure FPMW would enjoy a war too, an even war.

And Vader, log in more than once in a week and I'll take your opinions seriously mmk?