Planetarion Forums - Round 9, Stagnation and a possible solution.

Lockhead · 13 Apr 2003, 19:51

Kloopy read AD and get this post closed :=)

13 Apr 2003, 19:53

sounds great.... reset away

13 Apr 2003, 19:58

Again it seems this is just giving into the powerblocks.

No matter what Admin does they will find away to keep their alliance going in such a way they bash all others.

To them a win is a win and they dont care about fair they dont care about not being in the same galaxy.

You want to put an end to the big alliances well one way to do it is to stop them from talking to each other on IRC.

You break their leadership from being able to run the alliance and the rest will have a hard time knowing what to do.

So here you go a good plan cut off their head and their body dies.

Till you do that this is a mute point and they will just keep rolling over every one they feel like. And knowing them they are such wimps. That it means any one thats 5 or more times smaller then they are the only ones they will attack. And because we know they hate fighting a fair fight!

One last thing why not just say this round is over and move on to round 10 then lets see if those jerk alliances can do the same crap in that type of game

13 Apr 2003, 19:59

Sounds like a good plan. I'm all for a race change right now.

go round 9.5!

ginjas · 13 Apr 2003, 20:02

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Originally posted by SKiNNY
Well, i'm probably the only one to think of it this way...

I dont want a full reset, my planet is doing great and my gal is doing great aswell... I believe i've payed for a full round, not 2 half rounds.

Its like selling a ferrari to someone and when they are ready to pick it up, you tell 'em that you've decided to give them a 2 small mini-coopers instead.

lol on you...so tell me..is it so hard to wake up in the midle of the night just to send some defense..and be so restful you can even send all 3 fleets out couse you are 100% certain that you will have defense if incs come ?

to me Hardcore level playng..is much more like this:

ataking and stealing 200 roids per day for target double my sise

targets that 1 outa 2 times get 50 times more defense that incs i can do...os i have to outsmart them to get roids...

then be awake 4 days IN A ROW!!! defending 15 dif waves on my 600 roisd planet and losing 20 roids in 15 ATACK!!!!

that done with almost 0 defense from aliance and all why ?

couse 50% atackers io get are so stupid that they cant even roid me no defense..and the 50% ....25% them roxor players and i can give some example of atacks pretty good i had from WEet NaR, and the other 25% i defended using fake defend...

but then again....in 15 waves...2 planets landed...1 got 20 roids lost 600k fleet 1 tick and all the rest 2 tick..ho so hardcore he whas with 10M score he forgot to recal....

you think you made all for this game ?

i tell you this..i left study for this game. i left work for this game, i lfet my ex girl for this game, i sleep 4 hours per day to defend all icns i get..

so bugger of you and your so called WORK...you worked nothing..you are fence siting behind huge powerbloking...

try to do what i do..having 2M score 600 roids and defending 15 waves in a row no sleep....all made form planets 10 times bigger them me....

it pisses me of people like you..who dont give a **** for the other person's work..you think your side the only one workingh ?

i woulda answer you with some maisl 4 dif planet in top 10 gals sended me...

like :
nice job defending..nobody did that this round to me....

there are a few person that think rthe only good players are the winners...no there are a lot good players all around who gave theyr lifes to play this round...some are top 10 gals..some are top 500 gals..and even if you have 50 roids 500k score

i know a few 500k score planets..who are just that sise couse they get 1 entire week bash kil incs..you think you any better then them just for habing 2k roids ? lol

now back to the real issue here...the round will be over has soon this next war is over..its stupid to take the full 3month..but i do agree it should not end now..i am having the fun of my life!!!

and belive me..this whas the best round yet for me..and here since R3...i get bashed everyday ...i roid every day... i have fun...
then again soon will be over..has soon all wars over..the winner will be only siting on they 10K per planet roids..or more...and stagnation...so then i have some personal ideas id like to discuss....

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SKiNNY · 13 Apr 2003, 20:15

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Originally posted by ginjas
lol on you...so tell me..is it so hard to wake up in the midle of the night just to send some defense..and be so restful you can even send all 3 fleets out couse you are 100% certain that you will have defense if incs come ?

you think you made all for this game ?

i tell you this..i left study for this game. i left work for this game, i lfet my ex girl for this game, i sleep 4 hours per day to defend all icns i get..

so bugger of you and your so called WORK...you worked nothing..you are fence siting behind huge powerbloking...

it pisses me of people like you..who dont give a **** for the other person's work..you think your side the only one workingh ?

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Err... all i did was saying my planet and my gal are doing great, dont go accuse me that its my fault you dont have a life. Sure, you probably work harder than me at this game and you're probably a better player all together.

Did i mention the word 'WORK'? cant remember... If this game resets and gets shuffled, you dont have to worry about me.. so what are you complaining about?

if you had a successfull planet (doenst matter if you worked hard or not) this round, you'd probably didnt want a reset aswell.

All i am saying is, i have payed for a full round so i expect a full round and not 2 half ones. And even though the contract is clear on that subject, they will lose yet another player if they go through with the reset. Well atleast you'll be happy, because you get a second chance at not having a crappy planet.

Thanks for accusing me of things, based on words i haven't even spoken.

Regards,

SKiNNY

ginjas · 13 Apr 2003, 20:22

R9.5

it seems a nice idea..having prepared a round 9.5 if stagnation finaly comes..whe are near it..i know a few big planets who are just stoping all activity couse they are geting bored...some wars ahead..but they are so unbalanced that in 1 week it will be over...

then about 9.5------

1- if whe start from 0 has been seen a lto will leave game...the fisrt days are so boring...then again there is a easy way outa it....

idea: better then start from scraps..do a midle thing...

quest+ some begining stuf...so if you do more quest....quest with option..that can give research / constr...and give us power..
example...whe all start with all mining stuf done...thats enough for us all to start building fleet fast...72 hours protection must stil be up to let us grown some power....and some quest optional that can give for example :
mail a top 250 planet saing youd love to have theyr roids :
get FRig factory
etc..etc.etc...of course the example i gave is kinda a joke...
so whe will be able to get at least FR inside 72 ticks and eta -4....if that is spossible inside the 72 ticks...then i bet most the players will have noi probs...couse even terrans will have an option to get DE's not far after the 72 ticks...

start us all 3 roids..1 each..all mining done...
give us new quest to do Re/cR faster
do Random planets...its the end of powerbloking
increese to 15 person gal..much more people to talk organize and so..and more options to find at least 50% good players per gal...
name change...dont even need to explain why.
also change the damn minimum hit option...a 10M planet hiting 1.5M is not logical...that will force big players to play big..not to do has this PB stuf do..that top 10 gals are hiting 1M planets 3 planets per day to roid 50/100 roids each planet...and they are so sure themself ..that they leave 75% theyr fleet home and do 3 fleets of the other 25% to roid....
any other ideas that balance game may be good...but its would be changing to much....let those to R10...the rAndom itself shoudl be enough to end powerblock...and the bonus on start...is just to avoid boredom of first tick....

i know some complain they will stop playng..i ask you why ?
couse in my view..this is just some more fun...the winner will be there...the date of end will be know far behound time..so youl have time to do all you can do win the round..and will also have a new bonus....since round end will be neared...aliances will have to work faster this next days in order to win round....

all i ask is this...dont stop the round for more then 2 days...tops...if you wana reset it...then also dont keep delaing it..when you set a date and time..make sure it is for real.

PS: a few rounds ago...i heard from spinner himself some words that seem vane for me now....:
try to cheat, try to end this game, try to do something that harms the end of this round...and dont ask why you get 100000 destroyers incs....

then i ask you mister spinner...why does 1:1 not play some nasty moves on those taking advantage of some rules..why does not 1:1 play like the god of the damn game and force some balance ?

you dont have the time? dont have the player skil ? i bet skil you must have,....at least you made the game..so try this:
if anywone trys powerbloking in any other given round..i consider PB if 40% or more player in same block...ROID THEM TO HELL
make 1:1 top 1 gal...and then they will cry...and you will say:
I WORNED YOU PB IS OVER on 9.5----wana try this ?

Scouse · 13 Apr 2003, 20:25

"I worked so hard, I don't want it to just reset". Are you people stupid?

It happens every round. This round might just be shorter than the rest.

All your hard worked has already paid off. Ranks will be saved and winners shall be declared.

Maddix · 13 Apr 2003, 20:33

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Originally posted by Kloopy
Please use the portal poll system to cast your vote (And please dont cheat to get multiple votes, lets be respectible) on http://portal.planetarion.com/

Apparently I can't vote. I go to the portal and its as if my vote has already been counted, yet neither me or anyone on the same connection as me has visited the portal, let alone voted, since the new poll was put up? Is my opinion considered void? Is this unfir treatment against all those whos nicks begin with M or something? Conspiracy I say!!!

Empress · 13 Apr 2003, 20:41

Fs.. I didnt freaking pay to play random for half a round. if i decide i dont want to play random as i hate it do i get half a refund back?

rd 8 sucked ass and i refuse to repeat it. i chose to play with the team i have now. in fact the only reason i'm still playing is cause a friend i respect alot asked me too. but if i'm not going to be playing with him and the others then fk this. this is the most expensive round yet and yer changing the gals mid way through?

sigh. i may sound like i'm complaining but tbh after playing since rd 2 the only joy this game brings me is the playing with my crew. and now yer screwin with that. so it looks like i'll be hitting delete once random strikes.

thanks guys...

~*Empress*~

Scouse · 13 Apr 2003, 20:47

Quote:

Originally posted by Maddix
Is my opinion considered void?

*giggle giggle*

(no comment).

storeslem · 13 Apr 2003, 20:52

We should have:
A full reset.
Random universe.
All research and constructions done.
A hundred or so roids to start with.
No protection time.
Free signups for everyone.

GBH · 13 Apr 2003, 21:01

it is a shame the power blocks do spoil the game i think it would be alot more fun if it was just cluster alliances but as im sure every 1 knows i will win the lottary after a triple role over and be the only winner before this happens im reserved about the restart idea but ill give anything a try if it could possible solve this problem:e_bunny:

GBH · 13 Apr 2003, 21:03

oh 1 more thing does 1:1 get split up

Marv · 13 Apr 2003, 21:03

This sounds really good...

I am personally of the opinion that random is best...and totally random...

NO priv gals...

Having both easily allows for power blocking up...and full on allience gals etc which if organised well (as some are) can go on a rape rampage of the universe..

How about having this as a new R10 feture..

About half way thru...rankins etc are taken...then there is a mass shuffle...and everyone is reset to a certain level (not the level as in round start) with x roids and x score and let battle commence..

Just a thought....

hAl · 13 Apr 2003, 21:10

Reset it now and let those who ruined the round not claim a win.

hAl

TehVader · 13 Apr 2003, 21:16

Yes please

Alexan Drite · 13 Apr 2003, 21:26

A couple friends of mine where interested in playing the game, but since they missed the signup date they won't be able to get into the game.

Would new signups be on the same level as everyone else in the universe?

Godzilla64 · 13 Apr 2003, 21:30

what about a 3 day time where all can move there planets into a new gal - lets say wp and ely move there planets into gals of there own and eclipse and tot do the same?

after this a good and maybe fair war can go on.
also vom has the chance to move there good planets into gals and organize them new. -this goes for other allies too

a new start wont be that good because we have to finish bussines in that universe i think.

hope someone likes my idea

Colt · 13 Apr 2003, 21:36

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Originally posted by Morden
do it ;-)

you'll make everyone happy

really???

Prophey · 13 Apr 2003, 21:39

Quote:

Originally posted by HOPupNdown

ZaRa = :e_chick:

Spud =

hAl · 13 Apr 2003, 21:46

75% in favor of reset. That should mean a lot. Rarely you get any poll that unites 75% of voters !!!

hAl

supergemz · 13 Apr 2003, 21:48

OMFG NO WAY KLOOPY YOU CAN'T DO THIS!!!!!! I am happy with my gal mates! I don't wanna leave them

!!!!

fishfood · 13 Apr 2003, 21:51

There must be some way to save the game and let us stay in gals with freinds.

some people have suggested letting everyone re-arange their gals so that we have single alliance galaxies.
surely this has to be worth a try before we resort to forcing random upon everyone.

some of the most fun parts of pa are working together as a gal trying to provide the best defence you can.
when you are in a galaxy of good freinds you dont mind sending your ships to defend a gal mate while an attacker steals your roids because you know they would do the same for you. Also, it is safe to give freinds your mobile number cos you know they arnt wierdos.
And my gal are all together cos we all like to launch gal attacks at the same time of day. If half of your random gal are in different time zones it will be much more difficult to find a good launchtime.

as 9.5 is only a bounus round anyway, is this not a good time to test the alliances and see if they are trustworthy enough to create pure alliance priv gals?

Ariados · 13 Apr 2003, 21:53

All you whiners out there, look at it this way:

We are able to get 2(!) rounds by only paying for 1. That's like a once in a lifetime opportunity

(if I know PA right)

Anyway, the 75% yes's on the poll should pretty much speak for itself.

furball · 13 Apr 2003, 21:54

I'm totally against it. I'm a Cow in a vvomm galaxy and I'm perfectly happy. Yes, I have regular incomings. Yes, getting defence sucks. However, this is the first round that has really been a challenge, even if growing large hasn't quite happened.

a big

to a reset - but if Nar hadn't been cowards like most of us weren't, there wouldn't be a need for a reset.

placebo · 13 Apr 2003, 22:07

Please DO it! All for!
Best suggestion ever

anomnorway · 13 Apr 2003, 22:10

hmmm 75% on the poll at Portal say "yes" ..... but here at PA Forum more are against it then for it. See that kloopy askes all to not cheat when voting at Portal. How can we know that thats not what has happened = that the 75% is correct and not a false number cos of cheating? *I wonder*

Baco · 13 Apr 2003, 22:31

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Originally posted by anomnorway
hmmm 75% on the poll at Portal say "yes" ..... but here at PA Forum more are against it then for it. See that kloopy askes all to not cheat when voting at Portal. How can we know that thats not what has happened = that the 75% is correct and not a false number cos of cheating? *I wonder*

Are we reading the same thread?

Embroglio · 13 Apr 2003, 22:39

I'm in two minds about this.

Random Galaxies: I would prefer having people split into 5's and then shuffling the 5's so theres 15 to a gal. I've gotten to know my gal mates very well this round, and they're the best bunch i've been teamed with yet. I wouldnt like to go into getting to know another new 9/14 people. Although, having said that, I would like to see fully random gals too, as it would solve the alliance problems.

Constructions & Researches: I wouldn't really want to go through the early stages again, although i wouldn't mind it too much, however, to be fair to all races and players I feel it must be fully reset in order to give a balance. Xan for example. have the advantage early on, they'd lose this if some cons and res were already done for free.

I feel a total reset of scores roids, fleet, cons and res, but only a partial shuffle would be best. I doubt its a popular or possible idea though.

And most importantly;

hAl · 13 Apr 2003, 22:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Embroglio
I feel a total reset of scores roids, fleet, cons and res, but only a partial shuffle would be best. I doubt its a popular or possible idea though.

The poll vote says otherwise. Reset is hugely popular

CannibaliX · 13 Apr 2003, 22:54

YES!!!

K03N · 13 Apr 2003, 23:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Lockhead
I dont like it.

It also wont change the stagnation because it would take only a few days to find out who is in which block.

Then the hitting would start again.

Let the round develop itself, things will be changing.

agree

Cochese · 13 Apr 2003, 23:06

I say do it.

Alliance HC's should form a game-wide agreement to ALL go solo, and just have some fun in a nice random round.

hAl · 13 Apr 2003, 23:07

I don't see Eclipse blocking with WP again. And vvomm isn't exactly alive much either after quite a few of them left or got inactive and virus having split up. So the two main blocks that existed pre r9 are gone already so there is not much standing in the ways of a new/reset round if it started quickly...

Borg · 13 Apr 2003, 23:11

RESET

simple as that, my round so far has been a nightmare so for me it could only be an improvement

Tobe · 13 Apr 2003, 23:15

a few people in my gal have given up after all this weet wolfpack stuff, its annoying and i would like a reset

Embroglio · 13 Apr 2003, 23:16

Quote:

Originally posted by hAl
The poll vote says otherwise. Reset is hugely popular

Oh, I deliberatly avoided other peoples posts and the poll itself before posting as to not let what I thought on it be affected by other people's posts.

SommerMinthos · 13 Apr 2003, 23:42

I don't really feel this "major problem" of powerblocks controlling all and nothing happening etc is such a big problem, but of course that's just me. I've had a very fluctuating score this round, it's currently down at 900k, and that's a testimony to the challenges I've faced, and the fun I have had. I'm not going to deny my inactivity, but the moments I've had online have generally been entertaining. Please, if you reset the round, let me keep my almost completed decryption center, it will mean a lot to me, as I owe someone a milscan and that will be a debt hard to repay if I dont ever get them.

[i2k]Xy · 14 Apr 2003, 00:47

random r0x0r chemical's b0x0r!!!!

TheUnknown · 14 Apr 2003, 01:01

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Originally posted by Hathor
Why can't the round just play itself out? we've never had this before even though stagnation has happened in past rounds.

In my opinion this shows that the people in charge are at least more aware of the affects of stagnation on the game. Whilst I dont neccessarily support a reset or continued play, I felt I should offer the obvious explanation to your question in case no one else does and in case you fail to see it.

Greater awareness from those in charge is a good thing after all. Of course coming up with an intelligent solution is another matter.

Black_Kat · 14 Apr 2003, 01:33

i'm one of the small planets who gets beat on by these A**hole alliances/blocks whatever u call it...but i don't like the idea of having to start all over again just to get beat on again....that's like a slap in the face AFTER already being slapped on the other cheek. i don't even have military scans yet and now put us all the way back at beginning? i just wanna end this nitemare and play the speed round i already paid for so i can put PA to rest.

MoonLess · 14 Apr 2003, 01:48

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Originally posted by Slinky
Don't make it all random, allow private galaxies, see what the alliances do, basically give them an ultimatum, unless they play responsibly without blocking, round 10 will be random That should show em

i like that idea

Blend · 14 Apr 2003, 01:52

reset sounds like a great idea. tbh i haven't read through 1/3 of this thread, so don't know if anyone has mentioned it before, but since it's only half a round, what about 30 min ticks?

14 Apr 2003, 02:01

well this isnt what i paid for.. the only reason i decided to play was me and 4 of my other friends could be in the same galaxy. I see no point or fun in playing it otherwise.

Stylez1877 · 14 Apr 2003, 02:29

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Originally posted by Shanks

and now their at the top and you want a reset 'Cos Your Not!'

EXACTLY what I wanted to say..

that is pure BULL****

you cant just stop the round because more people are loosing than winning.
THATS HOW YOU PLAY A GAME FFS!
not everyone can win
those who dont, grin n bear it, and wait till NEXT round.
Those who worked the hardest are the ones who will get punished, and to me that makes NO sense what-so-ever!
Winners win
Losers WHINE

Stylez1877 · 14 Apr 2003, 02:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Baco
U worked hard?! lol
I can't see why....tbh I would say that I, for sure, know a lot of ppl that have work more than u "just" to keep their fleet

I know that it's not nice to wake up in the middle of the night to press the launch button

not really
im in NoS, im not weet, but that doesnt mean I didnt work hard to get where I am this round. I've defended my planet just as much as you im sure..but I did it WELL, and i managed to KEEP my roids, which is why I wouldnt want that to be for naught.

TheBull · 14 Apr 2003, 03:26

NO RESET.
Let the round go til R10 is ready and then we might see a round won by 1 alliance. Powerblocks get smaller as good targets get fewer. if you want to make any changes to the round make it so you can only attack targets that are 30% or more of your score

TheBull

14 Apr 2003, 04:58

YES!!!

I thought I was wank galaxy, but having talked with other people. All in the same boat. Big galaxies desperate for roids targetting 150 size planets. I'm all for the idea!

14 Apr 2003, 05:01

yeay reset! but i demand 5k with initiated roids, all res/con finished and super speed on my ships! oh and i want every player to send 10$ to me plz.

that should be possible shouldn't it?

if this stupid idea goes thru nething should be possible....