Well done Ult

Well done for the round win guys.

[Mzyxptlk]

None of their previous 5 wins made me feel like I do now: that they did not actually win this round, it's the other alliances that lost it. Lesson learnt, hopefully: you can't bully Apprime into doing what you want them to. But probably not.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

None of their previous 5 wins made me feel like I do now: that they did not actually win this round, it's the other alliances that lost it. lesson learnt, hopefully: you can't bully Apprime into doing what you want them to. But probably not.

lessons learnt in the PA community? seems pretty far fetched.

[Kaiba]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

None of their previous 5 wins made me feel like I do now: that they did not actually win this round, it's the other alliances that lost it. Lesson learnt, hopefully: you can't bully Apprime into doing what you want them to. But probably not.

I think that has been the case for the last 3 rounds at least now though, so no nobody learns, everyone is too deluded to their own chances of winning rather than just ensuring someone else other than Ultores wins and breaking the streak.

Seeing as HC's dont really change all that often though i cannot see anything happening in the future apart from Ultores wins.

- They have lead from the start and held on to win

- They have kept pace with a decent rival for 800 ticks and then pulled away

- They have been smashed down for 700 odd ticks and still come back and won the round


I think this basically show they can do it anyway they want, you can only beat what is put in front of you and they have done that time and time again


Congratulations Ultores, another round you shouldnt have won but will do so now at a canter....

[Korsan]

Originally Posted by Kaiba

I think that ...

You think too much

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

None of their previous 5 wins made me feel like I do now: that they did not actually win this round, it's the other alliances that lost it. Lesson learnt, hopefully: you can't bully Apprime into doing what you want them to. But probably not.

This isn't quite true.

The fact is, I personally did everything I could to have ult/app attack and fight. They weren't interested, app laughing that they couldn't lose and ult saying they were happy for app to win.

A block was put together, in fairly quick time. Originally it was to take down Ult but fairly quickly it became obvious that as app had been supporting Ult for rounds, that it would be much more fun to take down app and give ult the win.

Ult win because we gave it to them, had we decided to let app win then it would be Ult getting hit hard now.

App claim they don't care and will keep saying it over till people believe it, but I have a fair few pm's from app complaining

Nice to see them whine

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Forest

The fact is, I personally did everything I could to have ult/app attack and fight. They weren't interested, app laughing that they couldn't lose and ult saying they were happy for app to win.

A block was put together, in fairly quick time. Originally it was to take down Ult but fairly quickly it became obvious that as app had been supporting Ult for rounds, that it would be much more fun to take down app and give ult the win.

Ult win because we gave it to them, had we decided to let app win then it would be Ult getting hit hard now.

App claim they don't care and will keep saying it over till people believe it, but I have a fair few pm's from app complaining

If Apprime cared that much they'd have caved by now. They could've had it easy, hitting Ultores along with the rest of the universe. Instead they stood their ground. What does that tell you?

Of course, things are never quite that simple. If Apprime had chosen that initially easy path, then idiot block would've switched sides after a week or so, and hit Apprime with Ultores, as opposed to without. Not an improvement, but I'm sure I don't need to explain that to a mastermind such as yourself.

Amusingly, Apprime was just about coming around to the notion that they could win the round. Play the politics just right, and maybe, just maybe... Alas, then the block came up with their retarded strategy of "we will hit you until you join us" and since then I've not seen a single Apprime member opine that perhaps, yes, they were right all along, Apprime should hit Ultores.

As for Apprime members complaining... You'll have to excuse me, half of what you say I don't believe, and the other half I disregard as incorrect. In the last few days I've seen you made several statements about Apprime's motivations and intentions that were either wrong or plain lies. The belief that attacking someone is going to motivate them to join you is an example of the former. Your claim that Apprime was going around asking for NAPs so they could hit Ultores would be a clear example of the latter.

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

If Apprime cared that much they'd have caved by now. They could've had it easy, hitting Ultores along with the rest of the universe. Instead they stood their ground. What does that tell you?

It tells me they consider App/Ult one and the same.

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

Of course, things are never quite that simple. If Apprime had chosen that initially easy path, then idiot block would've switched sides after a week or so, and hit Apprime with Ultores, as opposed to without. Not an improvement, but I'm sure I don't need to explain that to a mastermind such as yourself.

Depends on the blocks aims

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

Amusingly, Apprime was just about coming around to the notion that they could win the round. Play the politics just right, and maybe, just maybe... Alas, then the block came up with their retarded strategy of "we will hit you until you join us" and since then I've not seen a single Apprime member opine that perhaps, yes, they were right all along, Apprime should hit Ultores.

There was NO 'we will hit you if you don't join us. I know, I had the conversations. We asked if they would join, they said no. Ult stated clearly they don't mind app winning because they supported us in previous rounds and this one.
We then decided that we would hit app.

At no point did I say we would hit app if they didn't help

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

As for Apprime members complaining... You'll have to excuse me, half of what you say I don't believe, and the other half I disregard as incorrect. In the last few days I've seen you made several statements about Apprime's motivations and intentions that were either wrong or plain lies. The belief that attacking someone is going to motivate them to join you is an example of the former. Your claim that Apprime was going around asking for NAPs so they could hit Ultores would be a clear example of the latter.

Apprime HC spoke with our block about the potential for us to nap app, IF app were to launch on Ult.
The same Apprime hc did so without being approached and of his own free will.
We said we would still hit app that night.

I don't care if you believe me or not, that is the fact of the matter.

And complaining? I have a whole host of logs comprising of 'why are you hitting us, we dont care etc etc'. Yet they keep pm'ing it and clearly do care.

Another fact, it was less than 5 days ago Cardi was boasting that 'app have won already' and that 'app can't be touched'.


Cardi actually made this very personal and he has now found out that he can bully and insult his way through pa, but sooner or later, someone bigger and badder is going to come along and teach him a lesson.

And just incase there is any doubt, I am not playing anymore but if I was to get even one sms telling me app/ult are avoiding each other next round, I would come straight back and spank him again.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Forest

Cardi actually made this very personal and he has now found out that he can bully and insult his way through pa, but sooner or later, someone bigger and badder is going to come along and teach him a lesson.

You have mental issues. Seek help.

[oil]

Can someone tell those of us without any friends who's been hitting ult and app respectively over the last few nights, thanks.

[Forest]

Too many people with no clue

[Mzyxptlk]

Yeah.

[Forest]

[21:08] <agar3ss> they dont want to turn on apprime
[21:08] <agar3ss> sorry
[21:08] <Forest> y?
[21:08] <Forest> you know app are planning to hit you right?
[21:09] <agar3ss> cause they stood by us the past few rounds and all through this one
[21:09] <Forest> so u give them the win?
[21:09] <agar3ss> we can outroid them
[21:09] <agar3ss> but if they win
[21:09] <agar3ss> no one seems to mind

[Shev]

There were certainly people in Ult who wanted to hit Apprime, but you're right, there were a lot of us who would have preferred to see them win, despite our fairly antagonistic history with them. As it is that stance seems to have worked out pretty well, although I wouldn't say the round is over quite yet.

[Forest]

And already, we see a ult/app nap in place for next round

Between them they have 116 planets out of a total universe of 870.
And we know how they keep telling us they are better players, or at least more active.

Then they wonder why blocks pop up?

Forest you do speak some utter crap, no more than 24hrs ago you were pming whining that we are not going to hit ULT and that you will decide who wins.
I told you then that ULT will win and you said "We will decide not you" well I told you then that ULT have won. Pull your head out of your ass. your block is landing is attacking App due to you having no balls to hit ULT and I will say it for the last time,


APP DO NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING. (if there is a single person whining to you please feel free to let me know who said person is so I can remove said person from Appprime).

[oil]

Originally Posted by Firebird

APP DO NOT CARE ABOUT WINNING.

Why?

Originally Posted by oil

Why?

App no longer bother with trying to win PA, it is more like we play out of habbit.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Forest

And already, we see a ult/app nap in place for next round

Between them they have 116 planets out of a total universe of 870.
And we know how they keep telling us they are better players, or at least more active.

Then they wonder why blocks pop up?

Two alliances that don't have to worry about the other creating a megablock to roid them dry in a week. Why on earth they would stick together, as opposed to joining the backstabbing ****s that the last 5 days have shown make up the vast majority in the PA political landscape, is something I will never understand. Fortunately, the last 6 rounds have shown that no one else does either.

P.S. In case anyone had any doubts, there is no Ultores and Apprime have no NAP "in place for next round". That's just another example of Forest feeling unconstrained by insignificant things like "truth".

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

P.S. In case anyone had any doubts, there is no Ultores and Apprime have no NAP "in place for next round". That's just another example of Forest feeling unconstrained by insignificant things like "truth".

<Hunt3r> good so you know what we will do next round?
<Hunt3r> nap ult pre round pal
<Hunt3r> do what you want

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

Two alliances that don't have to worry about the other creating a megablock to roid them dry in a week. Why on earth they would stick together, as opposed to joining the backstabbing ****s that the last 5 days have shown make up the vast majority in the PA political landscape, is something I will never understand. Fortunately, the last 6 rounds have shown that no one else does either.

P.S. In case anyone had any doubts, there is no Ultores and Apprime have no NAP "in place for next round". That's just another example of Forest feeling unconstrained by insignificant things like "truth".

This post gets right to the heart of what is being debated in this thread. No one who is decent in PA wants to work with anyone who twats about and shamelessly drops relationships to get ahead when the actual objective of getting together in the first place isn't actually achieved. If someone is fed up of the situation described in this thread, it's down to them to be less terrible to deal with. This also helps the game in general as being good to deal with builds relationships, and good relationships make people want to stay and bring others along to the party.

In fact, this kind of view is consistent with Apprime not giving a toss about winning being a genuine assertion. If they felt motivated to win, they would have tried to make the best of it with people who are shitty to work with and try their luck. And even when you are trying to win, situations like this try your patience like you would never believe. As Apprime weren't trying to win, they probably went for the least stressful option that got half decent results.

And part of being terrible to work with is inferring agreements preexist before a round starts. It's a sure-fire way to make them happen by your own paranoid behaviour forcing them to work together!

[Donar]

Originally Posted by lokken

This post gets right to the heart of what is being debated in this thread. No one who is decent in PA wants to work with anyone who twats about and shamelessly drops relationships to get ahead when the actual objective of getting together in the first place isn't actually achieved. If someone is fed up of the situation described in this thread, it's down to them to be less terrible to deal with. This also helps the game in general as being good to deal with builds relationships, and good relationships make people want to stay and bring others along to the party.

In fact, this kind of view is consistent with Apprime not giving a toss about winning being a genuine assertion. If they felt motivated to win, they would have tried to make the best of it with people who are shitty to work with and try their luck. And even when you are trying to win, situations like this try your patience like you would never believe. As Apprime weren't trying to win, they probably went for the least stressful option that got half decent results.

And part of being terrible to work with is inferring agreements preexist before a round starts. It's a sure-fire way to make them happen by your own paranoid behaviour forcing them to work together!

For some reason people just still hate app more then ultores, go figure...

[Forest]

Originally Posted by Donar

For some reason people just still hate app more then ultores, go figure...

It is not a case of hating app.

It is a case of Cardi telling people that app can do what they like cause 'we already won' and cardi throwing around lots of insults about useless alliances, combined with Ult saying they don't mind if app win.

Let us be very clear, when I put this block together it was very late in the round and I had to deal with previous failings from different sides, including my own.

We knew there was NO way we could take both down and stop them winning so we had a choice.
We had a discussion amongst us and felt that although at the time we could have taken down Ult, it was more fun to take down Cardi/app.

Now, this whole thread has been about 'app not caring and just having fun.
Yet when we do it, we are idiots?

Lots of people are now having fun (Lo spammer), we decided to hit app and not ult and we make no apoligies for it. If you don't like it, well WE don't care either

This round has been the most apathetic I have ever seen in pa, a round where truly people don't care and where activity across alliances has been shocking.

The fact that the two most active player bases felt a need to work together (116 planets v 800), not just this round but in previous rounds (as per my quote on page one), just goes to show how they see the game, and it is no surprise when people work together to try and combat that.

Just a sobering thought but look at the genuine power alliances of the years gone by:
Fury
Legion
1up
Exilition
Asc
App
Now think, how many of those alliances would lose to a current day Ult?
I would venture none

[Mzyxptlk]

I can't type very well when I'm doubled over with laughter. Back later.

[JonnyBGood]

It's pretty great that Forest has managed to go from being a laughing stock when the community had 100,000 planets to being a laughing stock when it has 800 planets.

Now that, my friends, is consistency.

[Forest]

Ahh JonnyBGood resorting to playground insults when the community had 100k planets, and now with 800 planets.

Now that, my friends, is irony.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Forest

Ahh JonnyBGood resorting to playground insults when the community had 100k planets, and now with 800 planets.

Now that, my friends, is irony.

No Forest, you are the man. Let nobody tell you otherwise! When men hear of your accomplishments their knees tremble and women go wet. You are the greatest, truly!

[Killeah]

Originally Posted by Forest

Ahh JonnyBGood resorting to playground insults when the community had 100k planets, and now with 800 planets.

Now that, my friends, is irony.

consistency.

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

No Forest, you are the man. Let nobody tell you otherwise! When men hear of your accomplishments their knees tremble and women go wet. You are the greatest, truly!

Irony.


I've tried to make it simple and comparable for you also forest, by puting it next to eachother in the same post.

[Cain]

so basicly we are just the best ever? As pa is now there is only 1 way to play for app and ult, nap eachother and wait for the block to hit either 1 of em. It's always the same crappy alliances working together and you ain't improving at all. In the end you have to settle with either app or ult winning cause you cant take out both.

Gl in the future with fighting for allyrank 3, that is untill either app or ult really cba to play the same rounds over and over

and calm down.

[TheoDD]

Originally Posted by Cain

so basicly we are just the best ever? As pa is now there is only 1 way to play for app and ult, nap eachother and wait for the block to hit either 1 of em. It's always the same crappy alliances working together and you ain't improving at all. In the end you have to settle with either app or ult winning cause you cant take out both.

Gl in the future with fighting for allyrank 3, that is untill either app or ult really cba to play the same rounds over and over

and calm down.

Enjoy playing this way in this decreasing playerbase.
(not like it has affected it)
As for only 1 way to beat app and ult is a retarded comment.
Ultores is an alliances filled with skilled players that cooperate and do things on their own initiative.
Apprime on the other hand is only a troll alliance that tries to unbalance the game further.
Used to be decent, can't say that for the last 3 years.

So how long will this game last? To the point where it's just app and ult left?

[Mikee]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

No Forest, you are the man. Let nobody tell you otherwise! When men hear of your accomplishments their knees tremble and women go wet. You are the greatest, truly!

[neroon]

its amusing to read that ultores is really just one of the luckiest alliances in pa history, since they have constantly been able to win just due to other alliances letting them to win.. its like there is no skill (or whatever you call it in this game) involved at all..


bring 6/6 home!

[Hunterrrr]

Forest please nap us! Please

[Hunterrrr]

Forest is deciding who wins! He also decided that his ally is shit and needs to be roided and all! He is the man!
20:13 Forest• anything can and will change, i have full control over the block

[Hunterrrr]

As i explained a few times to ct hcs when we are hit by most alliances in uni for most of round you expect us to backstab the only ally that stood by us? Right!

[TheoDD]

Originally Posted by Hunterrrr

As i explained a few times to ct hcs when we are hit by most alliances in uni for most of round you expect us to backstab the only ally that stood by us? Right!

I've stated for the last 3 years. And your explanations are just bullshit excuses... Care to say otherwise?

"Only alliance that stood by us"
What does that mean in this game?
I would rather see you reformulated that sentence into: "Only alliance we stood by."

See the difference in the logic?

Ultores are good enough players to handle their own play. And have been for the last 5 rounds. Apprime is an alliance like FOCKERS, just with a bit higher memberbase and VNC.

[Hunterrrr]

Originally Posted by TheoDD

I've stated for the last 3 years. And your explanations are just bullshit excuses... Care to say otherwise?

"Only alliance that stood by us"
What does that mean in this game?
I would rather see you reformulated that sentence into: "Only alliance we stood by."

See the difference in the logic?

Ultores are good enough players to handle their own play. And have been for the last 5 rounds. Apprime is an alliance like FOCKERS, just with a bit higher memberbase and VNC.

Trolling pal?

Clearly you have no clue what happened this round you can check the stats at the end of round and you will see.

[TheoDD]

Originally Posted by Hunterrrr

Trolling pal?

Clearly you have no clue what happened this round you can check the stats at the end of round and you will see.

and that was what it took to make your delusional mind to come with a mindless comment.

I have more idea than you think Like how you whined over and over...

[Hunterrrr]

Originally Posted by TheoDD

and that was what it took to make your delusional mind to come with a mindless comment.

I have more idea than you think Like how you whined over and over...

Yes and i begged forest for nap!

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by Hunterrrr

As i explained a few times to ct hcs when we are hit by most alliances in uni for most of round you expect us to backstab the only ally that stood by us? Right!

ODDR stood by you too.

Imho, the anti hr/dftkw/apprime/ult/xvx has itself to blame by going after App firsth.
ODDR was urging everyone to go after ult firsth.
Im sure HaveN regretted targetting App before they launched.
dS/ND got themself to blame, their members in 6:6 made sure that no one landed any ult/app in there. Kind of funny both shaz and hut are leaving u both next round.
I have to congratulate CT for their round, even though maybe the memberbase being weaker than earlier they stood out as the best allie beside ult/app.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

ODDR stood by you too.

Imho, the anti hr/dftkw/apprime/ult/xvx has itself to blame by going after App firsth.
ODDR was urging everyone to go after ult firsth.
Im sure HaveN regretted targetting App before they launched.
dS/ND got themself to blame, their members in 6:6 made sure that no one landed any ult/app in there. Kind of funny both shaz and hut are leaving u both next round.
I have to congratulate CT for their round, even though maybe the memberbase being weaker than earlier they stood out as the best allie beside ult/app.

"Congrats, you were the best alliance out of the bad ones this round"

[BloodyButcher]

Originally Posted by eksero

"Congrats, you were the best alliance out of the bad ones this round"

They were the only alliance that any sense at all with what they did politicaly beside ult/oddr/dftkw.

[Wouter]

LOL
I always thought TheoDD was a VNC account :s
funny to see him talk about it!

[TheoDD]

Originally Posted by Wouter

LOL
I always thought TheoDD was a VNC account :s
funny to see him talk about it!

says how much you know.

[Connovar]

How do you kill that which has no life?

[Blue_Esper]

kill that which gives it existence

[Connovar]

The internets?

[Reincarnate]

this thread is even funnier than the usual one each round. it has, somehow, managed to have more stupidity and less intellegence. which, to be honest, i did not think was possible.

kudos PA community

[BloodyButcher]

Funny Cain, but you did care for the win. Stop that bs right away. You choose not to join in on raping ult, wich ive been trying to tell the other side all week. CT/FAnG/ND should do like app/ult did this round with BPs, putting HCs in bp with each other will be a major change to politics im sure.

[eksero]

Originally Posted by BloodyButcher

Funny Cain, but you did care for the win. Stop that bs right away. You choose not to join in on raping ult, wich ive been trying to tell the other side all week. CT/FAnG/ND should do like app/ult did this round with BPs, putting HCs in bp with each other will be a major change to politics im sure.

What would that change, and how?