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Unread 21 Jan 2008, 13:39   #1
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For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

So this is my rant thread on Brazil:


Rousseau once said that democracy could not be the dictatorship of the majority, and yet thats how my country is ruled. Our president is responsible for the largest drainage of middle and upper classes taxwise in history. This money is not used to build schools, universities or hospitals, which we desperatly need. They are simply given away to anyone who has a lot of children and does nothing, as a sort of a prize for being irresponsible in having childring ( although this prize should be shared with most of our stupid society for not accepting abortion) and a general ineptitute in doing any work. Our "social benefits" system is so gargantuan that even surpasses that of USA during the great drepession, in percentage of people attended, and the level of resources drown to it.
It generates some funny stories, as people who actually had a low wage labour, and then quitting it, because each of the children would earn more if he was unemployed. People leaving communal or subsistence farms to go beg to in the cities. They would not only receive money from the goverment, but a little extra on the begging. This way, millions of people depend on the State for their daily ration, since its more profitable than making a living for oneself, meaning they willing to keep lula forever in office

Thats the masterplan that the Workers party, which once was a highly idealistic stalinist party, that could never win an election, and now is a cynical political fox, devoided of any dreams or ilusions, only focused on the 'seizing the power' bit. Now that they have, its unlikely that they are going to let it escape. They have appointed managers, directors, interventors, etc etc to every and any body of government. All of them focused in expanding its political and economical power.
IBAMA, which is our agency that controls forests and wildlife wellbeing, mourned one of its darkest years when a lulist director allowed hundreds of square kilometers of amazon jungle to be wiped out in exchange of heavy cash deposits in the workers party accounts.
Celso Daniel´s relactives, a mayor that was murdered when he started investingating racketeering involving the transport system of a major city, were granted political asylum in france last week. So it happens that the workers party had to receive a large sum of money for every bus that rode on the city.
This money was used to bribe the parlament into passing laws and constitutional reforms to extend the PT power to ever more dangerous extents.
So, politically, they are taking every step possible to perpetuate on power forever more, its a constitutional coup d'etat, much like whats happening in venezuela right now.
Our latter president, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, modernised our economy and stabalized it to the current standarts. It was a rather painfull process: tight government budget, privatizations and the general measures that no one likes, but are paramount to paving a way for the country to grow. But such measures take time to pay off, and thats whats happing right now. Brazil is expected to grow 5% this year, a growth not experienced in decades. But most people tend to believe it is Lulas measures that are doing it. Not to mention that Cardoso´s terms (1994-2002) were specially critical times for developing nations, with the asian crisis and russian moratorium running amok, and lula got the bouncing back of the economies.

Even worst, its dogmas are simply ignorant. Calling english "the language of the oppressors", it was taken of the governmets test´s to be a ambassador. English is no longer necessary for one to became a brazillian diplomat. On behalf of the opressed slaves, Lula started using affirmative actions on Federal Universities. Such a ridiculous measure on country that never had an history of racism, and since the abolishment of slavery, in 1888, any and all racism is punishable. Above all, about 79% of the population is mestiços, a variable blend of white, indians and blacks. So how do people judge how should enter in the 'black' quotas? There is a RACE TRIBUNAL. Yes, here in brazil, in the 21st century we have a junta on every federal university where people take a look on applicants and go like "this aint black enough, GTFO! This hair is curly enough, you can get in" etc etc. It produced absurd dispartities. In the last Vestibular (test to be admitted in a university), regular candidates had to score 81 or more points out of 106 to enter in medicine, and quotists had to score an outrageous 39 points. Non quotists would be admitted only in biblioteconomy with this score. Of course, biblioteconomy is the least sought after course. Since most people are miscigenated, only a tiny fraction is black. Or white for that matter. Having quotas for it is plain stupidity. In one of the most presitigious universitiies, UnB (University of Brasilia) idetincal twins where judged differently, one got in by the quotas and one did not. It was the cover of one of the most read weekly magazines, Veja, but unfortunantely only 1.2 mil people 'read' it. The biggest journal is read by only 300.000 people out of 190 millions. So it befalls to people like me, which simply read a little and has a general understaning of the world to grief the darkest our of this forsaken land, but more importantly, try to shout it out to the world whats happening in here.

Ill post more later if people are interested...

PS.Sometimes i feel like im under the V for Vendetta government...
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Unread 21 Jan 2008, 13:43   #2
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

I don't think I've ever seen anyone express in an interest in Brazil.

Apart from for those Brazilian Samba girls they're quite interesting, and sometimes so is Brazilian football, but not as interesting as the girls, unless it's a Brazilian football girl.

Other than those, and possibly the Iguasu Falls, the Christ the Redeemer statue, there isn't much else interesting about Brazil.

WHat you wrote definitely isn't interesting and nobody wondered. Maybe you should write about Brazilian football girls if you want people to be interested.
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Unread 21 Jan 2008, 14:01   #4
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Hey people remember
It can happen to YOU!

i thought i wrote on the very title something on the lines of "people wanting to hear stuff from brazil"
and people enter the topic to say "hey im not interest in brazil whatsoever"

brain palsy, perhaps?
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

from looking at the title of this thread i honestly thought it was a spambot thread
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

Thanks B.M. for the read. I found it interesting if none of these heathens did.

It could perhaps feature in the "Our man in ..." section of Private Eye (although there's not really enough death but still).
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

On a completely random aside ... there used to be a program on the television (channel 4 or 5 i think, probably 5) called "Outthere" that featured clips of violence and nudity and such like. I always used to read the program title as Out here instead of Out there and i just did it again.

Interesting stuff what what.
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Please turn your story into a comic strip to make it more readable.

http://www.stripcreator.com/
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

here it is.

It pretty much sucks, you still should read what i wrote and ask questions instead
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

I don't think the Brazilian taxes are actually higher then our taxes in the Netherlands tho. But I suppose our government is a bit more organised then that of Brazil. In Europe they even fart your money to Africa and Muslim countries, that are filled with people that hate us. Alot of that money just gets stolen by corrupt politicians and is used to buy weapons to shoot whites and Christians like YOU. That's even worse then just giving it to the poor in your own country.

And if we don't bring the money to them, then those African and Eastern European just migrate here to cause crime, if they ain't staying in bed all day, and benefit from our social welfare system. It's really tragic. And guess what the 'language of the oppressors' is accoring to those lazy bastards.. It's dutch.. They expect us to bring our money to them, while just staying in bed all day, without even taking the effort to learn our language.. can you imagine Baron Morte?!

You should be glad you live in Brazil and not in the Netherlands. It's terrible here.

Also the girls here are all emancipated; they 'think' they are guys with huge penisses. And if your drunk in Amsterdam and get a one night stand, then chances are, that your girlfriend actually happends to be a man, with a penis, in your bum. Seriously.
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

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So this is my rant thread on Brazil:


Rousseau once said that democracy could not be the dictatorship of the majority, and yet thats how my country is ruled. Our president is responsible for the largest drainage of middle and upper classes taxwise in history. This money is not used to build schools, universities or hospitals, which we desperatly need. They are simply given away to anyone who has a lot of children and does nothing,
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Re: For all those outthere wanting to hear something about brazil

Baron, have you ever considered writing for the tabloids?
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Specifically the Daily Mail
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Anyone else manage to finish it?
Actually i dig on pamphlets, but since mussolini and his entourage have defaulted on me i am recurring to forums across the world...



anyways

I need a few tips on how to get this message across, please fill out this form:

Why weren´t you able to read until the end ( check all that apply)

[ ] Time constraint
[ ] Cant care less
[ ] Misuse of paragraphs
[ ] There´s too many gramatic errors
[ ] I cant bother to skip all the mistakes to actually read until the end
[ ] Your inflamatory rethoric reminds me of trotsky
[ ] More spaces, more commas, more columns and periods
[ ] Not interested in political issues
[ ] Brazil is not my cup of tea



Would you read again if rewritten?
[ ] Only if revised by an oxfordian
[ ] Should you change your visceral tone
[ ] I might give it a shot



Thank you very much
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[ ] Baron Morte is too shit to dedicate any amount of time to, however well written the piece and whichever subject it is

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I don't think the Brazilian taxes are actually higher then our taxes in the Netherlands tho. But I suppose our government is a bit more organised then that of Brazil. In Europe they even fart your money to Africa and Muslim countries, that are filled with people that hate us. Alot of that money just gets stolen by corrupt politicians and is used to buy weapons to shoot whites and Christians like YOU. That's even worse then just giving it to the poor in your own country.

And if we don't bring the money to them, then those African and Eastern European just migrate here to cause crime, if they ain't staying in bed all day, and benefit from our social welfare system. It's really tragic. And guess what the 'language of the oppressors' is accoring to those lazy bastards.. It's dutch.. They expect us to bring our money to them, while just staying in bed all day, without even taking the effort to learn our language.. can you imagine Baron Morte?!

You should be glad you live in Brazil and not in the Netherlands. It's terrible here.

Also the girls here are all emancipated; they 'think' they are guys with huge penisses. And if your drunk in Amsterdam and get a one night stand, then chances are, that your girlfriend actually happends to be a man, with a penis, in your bum. Seriously.
Humm
But theres a catch. Aliens account for what? 5%? 15% of the population?

The people who suck at everything except being peniless and having children in packs of 6 account for nearly 67% of the population, which makes them an easy target for political manouvres.

Also i dont mind paying high taxes if i can send my children to a public school or public hospital.
The problem is that people pay taxes at finlandian rates, but cant send their kids to a public school out of fear they come back inside a casket, and can only schedule an appointment with a doctor to 5 months from now...

and yeah

this language of the oppressors shit must drive people mad of anger in there

ungratefull bastards
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[ ] Baron Morte is too shit to dedicate any amount of time to, however well written the piece and whichever subject it is

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Hey that was not on the form and it is utterly out of topic

on the other hand its very ironic that i am so shitty to spend time with, and yet you tend to flood my topics with moronic remarks, and give me bad reputation


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on the other hand its very ironic that i am so shitty to spend time with, and yet you tend to flood my topics with moronic remarks, and give me bad reputation

I didn't give you any rep.


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i couldn't read the post but i read the comic

so muslim fancies thatcher now?
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B.M. i found it interesting, thanks

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Also I think you could better improve your piece by paragraphy better, and making it less of a rant.

Of course if you want to do a rant, make it shorten as people often find rants self-indulgent and hard to read.

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Here's something else cool about Brazil.
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Brazil is a pretty boring country really.
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So is your mother.
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Lolz Thats most interesting.

Last year there was another curious move by one of our judges. He outlawed youtube on brazil!

Thats rite.


It all began when Daniela Cicarelli had sex on a spanish beach and someone caught on camera and hosted on youtube. Then the judge ruled to remove the video since it was causing emotional damage to her etc etc and google failed to comply. Then it was issued an order to ban youtube from brazil.

Then everybody emailed everybody on tips how to use proxies and other schemes to continue to see her getting banged. The judge realized how moronic it was to try to control the intarnatweb, specially if you are brazilian and caved in.
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They banned Youtube for this crappy movie?
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[edit] City of God was set in Brazil (I think), did you see it and if you did then did you think it was a good film? I did! It did make me think that all Brazilian poor people just played football or shot each other though so I don't know what to make of this welfare state stuff.
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[edit] City of God was set in Brazil (I think), did you see it and if you did then did you think it was a good film? I did! It did make me think that all Brazilian poor people just played football or shot each other though so I don't know what to make of this welfare state stuff.
City of god was set in Rio de Janeiro, which is not our capital, but a major city. I saw that and enjoyed very much! Not as much as Tropa de Elite ( Elite Squad, i guess) which shows the war on drugs on the police side.

what our poor are like
Some time ago our poor used to be in the fields, working the land for a living. During the Military government (1964-1984) Our country fell in the illusion that it was of the best interest of the nation to undergo a rapid industrialization/urbanization. At the time they thought it was the same, so they simply gave lots of incentives for industries and none to agriculture. The population flocked to major cities across the nation. The only (obvious) problem is that industries in the late 20th century were not the same as in the early 19th. So, differently of what happened in developed countries back then, industries had absolutely no need for waves and waves of people coming from the interior to supply a very limited internal demand and a even smaller exportation sector ( differently from japan, the asian tigers and china, brazil never, up to know, had a big concern with exporting goods). So people just hang around large cities. As Malcon X once said, sitting on a table doesnt make you a dinner, these people, now heavily target with ads, the obvious differences in income, wealth, power, started cooking their own dinner out of the hate and disgust by the oblivious treatment received.

That anger was the main political flagship of the workers party, and lula feast on that. The infamous Fome Zero project was the first populist attempt to suck political power out of poverty. It worked both ways: The workers party would appropriate illegally of some of the donations, and give the rest in exchange for votes.

Cidade de Deus was set in 2002, which is before lula coming into power. The war on drugs has been getting a lot worse lately, so people are starting to fall of this lifestile (living on drug money) to life off government money. Here is how it works:

Bolsa familia, (family subside) will give you 40 dollars for each children you send to school. IF you have no work, you get some 50 dollars. if you find a job, you lose all this, and when you are on minimum wage (around 150 dollars) it does not pay off. So people started quitting jobs to get this money. People continue to leave farms, where they had a so so life, eating what the land produced and selling surplus, to have a ****ed up life in big crowded cities. When they get there, they cant turn around, and they get ever more dependent on the government.

There is no objetives or goals to attain to keep on receiving bolsa familia. You dont have to look for a job, your kids dont have to get any grades, there is no stimulus to have a decent life at all!

Other dumb stuff this government does

Lula wants the Great Nation of Brazil to join the permanent council of UN. For that, brazil sold trillions of tons of soy, iron ore at below producing costs values to China, and even recognized it as a free market to get its vote. But of course they said NO, because before brasil joining in, Japan would have to, something China would never agree

On the annual report on the status of the nation, our president said that the food prices surge on brazil was due to 'people saving more money because they ride on ethanol instead of gasoline, so the demand on food was higher, causing food to cost more'. This is in stark contrast of reports of The economist (it was the in a cover of this magazine last year) and other respected research/report agencies that blame the rise of biofuels taking up space previously belonging to food plants, the increase of income in china, making them eating more meat, and climate change are causing crops to fail at a increased rate.
Jesus, you could simply read a newspaper to know that and yet...


Our governmet heard word that fisheries on Brazil are doing badly. Unaware that this is a global trend, due to the imminent collapse of sea life due to overfishing, our president decided to let fisheries know that the government will buy every fish they catch and pay more than the market does, and use it on daily rations given at schools.
Ignorance on ecology and the effects of a diet high on salt for infants is shown with spectacular flamboyancy.

Larry Rohter made an article on the fact that lula spends nearly 2.000 dollars a month on personal beverages ( specially whisky) and was seen tipsy in many public occasions and gets his passport suspended, and all of a sudden is under investigation from the federal police, nearly being expelled out of the country.

Petrobras made a contract with Bolivia about LPG pipelines that was good for some 20 years. Evo morales (a che guevara´s fan), the bolivian president, simply confiscates all the Government Enterprise´s assets, which total some 100,00 millions of dollars, and sets the prices to triple of the original deal. Our president, on behalf ofthe suffered people of bolivia, and in the name of international brotherhood simply accepts that withouth a peep, even while Evo calls Brazil the united states of south america, filthy imperialist excuse for a country. Lula says that there will be no shortages or increased prices for the gas, despite the fact that over 70% of our gas came from Bolivia. 7 Months later there is severe shortage of gas to petrol stations, and cars can no longer run on it, because every bit of gas was diverted to industries. 9 months later and we had the largest increase in cost of gas in history.




So thats a brief history of brazils last decade. Incompetence, ignorance, populism, blatant lies, scandals, an absolute desgrace
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That all just sounds awfull

Guessing from your perspective in this summary, you are probably upper class or upper middle class? How do the people around you think about this? Is there much apathy or hate towards poor people?
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That all just sounds awfull

Guessing from your perspective in this summary, you are probably upper class or upper middle class? How do the people around you think about this? Is there much apathy or hate towards poor people?
Middle class it is, and my peers are mostly saddened that this ever came to pass. There is really a silent war, because the polarization between poors and rich people who have ties with workers party X middle and upper classes is growing to the point there cant be ammends.

Example:

The south/east of the country is mostly made up of germans, italians and other european people that came in the late 1800´s with much more technology than the rest of the country. Many of the leading industries in brazil are in this region, and the average income is considerably higher than any other region, due to hard work and autoctonous resources, since the central government never payed much attention, due to low fertility rates ( so no votes). Now it is even worse, because companies are being outright extorted (in the form of taxes)so they can use the money to Bolsa familia, and "help" people in the north/east, the poorest region.

That poverty wont reduce, because the money is poorly used/stolen and the south wont be able to catch up with other countries where resources are better employed. Hence south hates lula and the north loves it. in the last presidential election where lula won, the polarization was made absolutely clear. As a vendetta for the south not voting for him, there is not a single big project by the federal government in the south, but there are lots in other regions. Unfortunantely these projects sit confortably on the laps (meaning huge farms, industries etc etc) of influential politicians, and none to the benefit of the poor. Of course, if there were no poors, who would vote for him?


So it is pretty much clear that we are being crucified, and everyone knows it, much like the purge of the "intelectuals" (meaning being able to read) by the khmer rouge.


There´s much more hate from poors in relation to the rich, fuelled and fanned by the government, which blames rich people for them being poor, which adds up to the refered polarization. Hence all this violence people hear about brazil
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Sounds like Brazil has Democrats too.
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Actually is more of the same plague that infected south america since the early twenties, populism that is. we invented it, perfected it, and we suck as a subcontinent because of it

Thats what happens when you give democracy to a intelectual/economical/industrial/political/technological backwater.
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Rousseau once said that democracy could not be the dictatorship of the majority, and yet thats how my country is ruled.
Do not despair muslim. Despite the horrors you face it could be worse.

I mean...despite the dictatorship, the Brazilian upper/middle classes still enjoy vastly superior standards of living to the rest of the country. They can expect to live up to fifteen years longer than their distant relatives among Brazil's poor or so I'm told. This could be because of disparities in health but more likely it's probably that the paler skinned wealthier Brazilians are like the Elves from Lord of the Rings. The favela dwellers are of course orcs - violent, evil hordes who breed far too quickly.

So the orcs children are three times more likely to die before their 1st birthday than the wealthy kids. So what? A poor woman has, what...500 kids? Who cares about losing a few when you've got so many? And cos there's so many poor blighters, obviously they can't all receive immunisations can they? I mean...hello? We need to save them for people who matter, right? And yeah the wealthy continue to have vastly better access to higher education which then carries on with predictable impact on employment prospects and economic attainment generally. But that's common sense. Why would a dumb negro go to college? How is that going to help him clean my car?

And yeah the poor...lots of silly facts thrown around. Number without access to basic sanitation : ten million. Yawn! Number who encounter semi-regular malnutrition : thirty million only a few years ago. Poor people don't get hungry like other people - and anyway, they can eat their kids if they really get hungry. And then there's overcrowding, poor standards in housing construction, unemployment, blah, blah, blah.

And then there's the violence. We have murders in the UK of course - 850 in 2002 for example. But you guys - same year - almost fifty thousand. Wow! Needless to say it's those ghastly urchins who end up dead (thank the lord!) And yeah, some of the fifty-thousand may include the thousands of people the Brazilian police are said to have bravely shot. But that was all in the line of duty. Even the ones found shot in the head with their hands tied behind their backs. Resisting arrest you see. Those damn bolsheviks at Amnesty International put the figure for 1999 to 2004 at ten thousand police killings, but why count dead cockroaches? Plenty more where that came from.

What I'm trying to say here old chap is don't despair. It could be worse. Not that this means I'm sort on Comrade Lula mind you. Let me be clear : This dictatorship that is robbing you of your hard-earned money sounds pretty ghastly. Full of rotters who just can't wait their turn!

Why can't they wait for economic growth to deliver the benefits it promises to all? I mean, when I was young, we didn't have broadband. So we waited, and Maggie Thatcher (god bless her) came along, privatised BT and we all got broadband a few weeks later. Because we waited our turn. I didn't go round committing crimes or bleating on about Human Development Indices.

Of course, some might argue it's a tad easier to adopt a "wait for the market to sort it out" approach when you're not living in a miserable shack in a disease violence plagued favela somwhere wondering how you're going to feed your kids....but that doesn't make any difference to me.

After all, fairness is fairness. The politics of envy is a disgusting thing muslim and you're right to make your case against it. I stand shoulder to shoulder with you.After all, I worked hard to get the opportunities I got. For example, I was born. This took months of effort and meant I was automatically wealthier than most of the world's population. A fairs days pay for a fair days work. The Brazilian poor just need to pull up their socks, get on their bicycles, work hard and one day maybe they'll come out of my mums vagina too. If they're lucky, they might even get broadband...
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I thought Rousseau said that democracy was the dictatorship of the majority? Wasn't that the whole point for him or something? The general will and all that bollocks?
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the Brazilian upper/middle classes
a silly mistake, quite beneath you, but i fail to see how it is a class system.

you confuse disparity in wealth between individuals with class. this rather exposes you as a victim of the language barrier when you read your little red books of old.
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[X] Time constraint
[X] Misuse of paragraphs
[X] More spaces, more commas, more columns and periods
[X] Not interested in political issues


Would you read again if rewritten?
[X] I made it shorter.. much shorter, and broke up my paragraphs to make it bit easier to digest.
That aside, the comic was actually much better and got the point across effectively. See less is more!

Politics is not really my cup of tea, but from reading the comic it seems you are suggesting your country is heading into a form of communism?


As for my interest in Brazil, I can at least say they have some fine looking women there. Probably more relevant to myself though I have recently learned that Brazillian company TecToy have been keeping the spirit of the Sega Master System & Megadrive alive over there long after both systems died elsewhere in the world, that gets my respect any day of the week.
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I remember sometime in the distant past having written a term paper on G. Vargas. It was much closer to being current events at the time I wrote it than it is now.
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I used being a communist since my early teens - up until i was 20 or something, because that was very hipe and cool ( chicks love it, means you are very sensible and not a souless egoistic capitalist pig). Actually, its pretty easy being a commie in brazil due to a simple statistic: 10% of the richest account for 47% of earnings and 10% of the poorest feast with 2% of the earnings.
I mean, if you arent a communist after seeing this ratio you must be an ignorant ****, am i rite?
Actually no.
I see that you took the time to make this elaborate emotional and ironic text but you could not refute most of the problems that happen over here.

You seem to think its fair this quotas stuff, am i rite? Let me tell you this much. There are public schools in brazil. There are public libraries. My very fiancée studied in a public school, and as she could not afford books she was most of the time in public libraries. She took tests in private companies that prepare people to Vestibular, and got a sponsorship for one year ( these companies love to show off when their pupils are approved in the vestibular) and she entered the uni with the highest grade in Law school, and 23rd in general, because she scored 91 points.



A fella that could not score 39 points ( i must stress that this is for medicine, the most competitive test) has never sat down to read a free book you can take in the public library. Has never stayed after a class in school, asking the teacher to give more material to study. Has never studied late at night after a hard day´s work. Never choose studying at home over going to the beach, hanging out with friends or family. I know me and my girl have, and we still do much of it.

Do you think that he would pull off something like this in the uni? When teachers barely know your name, where you have to study for yourself, with parties, pot, easy chicks, free alcohool?
Would you leave your children in the hands of such a doctor?



I am all for quotas. When it means helping poor people who study hard to study more. That would go on the lines of:
Not only getting people inside the uni, but giving books, money for food and a place to stay.
Requiring good grades throught the course.
Making rich people pay to study in federal universities. (things are so distorted as they are now that only rich people can get into unis, and when they get there, they dont need to pay, because unis are for free)


But if you want fairness, money should be invested in a quality public education system, or funding poor people in good schools since first grade.

Any of these two would be perfect answears for the problem, yet they manage to drown on the worst possible way: RACE


About police killings. Really. You dont know what sort of stuff is going here, so please dont try to understand. We havent got 'orcs' in favelas, we´ve got ourselves a nice army, feeding with the most profitable bussiness ever: Drugs, which you rich people of the world so readly consume. On the other side we´ve got our own army, which is feeded with our taxes. Brazilian taxes cant compare with brittish pounds, american dollars, or Eu´s euro. When opposing forces are simmetric, in a urban cenario, what can you expect but heavy casualties? Im sure you read all about stalingrad. Here we have it everyday. Pretty nice isnt it?

You were thinking about police X civilians eh?


too bad

What we got here is a huge company ( drug trafficking CO) trying to make a living despite the fact that it is a illegal bussiness. "Dont mind that, just hire a bajillion favela dwellers to do our bidding". And they do. Very well. You must have seen the footage of a police helicopter shooting at 'innocent' people running a few months ago, right?
What I think that they havent shown you is that the shooter was killed inside the helicopter a few days later. Coincidence? No. He drew traffickers blood, he must shed some blood too. Blood in, blood out, am i rite?
He was hit during an operation, died instantly, and his body was hanging from the helicopter for several minutes, until they decided what to do with it. I dont think you get much scenes like these in the UK, Am i rite?



And on the sanitation/NHS stuff, I am also all for it. the problem is that, as said before, all money taken from people to do just that goes into the workers party allies pockets. With the absurd ammount of money they take, they could have fixed this a long long time ago, but they havent. Have you heard of Renan Calheiros? He is just the mothership of all robbers that inhabit out government. We feed millions of them. How much do you think it costs us?

Instead of trying to fit me into a square ( the square of wifes of loius XIV ( bah let them eat cake(which is the cartunesque view of leftists on people who are not comunnists)) take for a circle, which is simply people trying to have a conversation about stuff. You dont seem much of wanting to have one at all.

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I mean...despite the dictatorship, the Brazilian upper/middle classes still enjoy vastly superior standards of living to the rest of the country. They can expect to live up to fifteen years longer than their distant relatives among Brazil's poor or so I'm told. This could be because of disparities in health but more likely it's probably that the paler skinned wealthier Brazilians are like the Elves from Lord of the Rings. The favela dwellers are of course orcs - violent, evil hordes who breed far too quickly.

So the orcs children are three times more likely to die before their 1st birthday than the wealthy kids. So what? A poor woman has, what...500 kids? Who cares about losing a few when you've got so many? And cos there's so many poor blighters, obviously they can't all receive immunisations can they? I mean...hello? We need to save them for people who matter, right? And yeah the wealthy continue to have vastly better access to higher education which then carries on with predictable impact on employment prospects and economic attainment generally. But that's common sense. Why would a dumb negro go to college? How is that going to help him clean my car?

And yeah the poor...lots of silly facts thrown around. Number without access to basic sanitation : ten million. Yawn! Number who encounter semi-regular malnutrition : thirty million only a few years ago. Poor people don't get hungry like other people - and anyway, they can eat their kids if they really get hungry. And then there's overcrowding, poor standards in housing construction, unemployment, blah, blah, blah.

And then there's the violence. We have murders in the UK of course - 850 in 2002 for example. But you guys - same year - almost fifty thousand. Wow! Needless to say it's those ghastly urchins who end up dead (thank the lord!) And yeah, some of the fifty-thousand may include the thousands of people the Brazilian police are said to have bravely shot. But that was all in the line of duty. Even the ones found shot in the head with their hands tied behind their backs. Resisting arrest you see. Those damn bolsheviks at Amnesty International put the figure for 1999 to 2004 at ten thousand police killings, but why count dead cockroaches? Plenty more where that came from.

What I'm trying to say here old chap is don't despair. It could be worse. Not that this means I'm sort on Comrade Lula mind you. Let me be clear : This dictatorship that is robbing you of your hard-earned money sounds pretty ghastly. Full of rotters who just can't wait their turn!

Why can't they wait for economic growth to deliver the benefits it promises to all? I mean, when I was young, we didn't have broadband. So we waited, and Maggie Thatcher (god bless her) came along, privatised BT and we all got broadband a few weeks later. Because we waited our turn. I didn't go round committing crimes or bleating on about Human Development Indices.

Of course, some might argue it's a tad easier to adopt a "wait for the market to sort it out" approach when you're not living in a miserable shack in a disease violence plagued favela somwhere wondering how you're going to feed your kids....but that doesn't make any difference to me.

After all, fairness is fairness. The politics of envy is a disgusting thing muslim and you're right to make your case against it. I stand shoulder to shoulder with you.After all, I worked hard to get the opportunities I got. For example, I was born. This took months of effort and meant I was automatically wealthier than most of the world's population. A fairs days pay for a fair days work. The Brazilian poor just need to pull up their socks, get on their bicycles, work hard and one day maybe they'll come out of my mums vagina too. If they're lucky, they might even get broadband...
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