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20th Century Achievements

The 20th Century has seem some wonderful technological innovations. This is the first century to experiment with cinematographic equipment and mass-production has seen the ability to purchase an instrument and record music easier than it has ever been. The same goes for art works.

Despite this it all seems to flow to a ocean of mediocrity, where popular is more important for good, for most people. This could be blamed on capitalist forces or peoples desire to be liked or just plain old fashioned human inadequacy, but that's not why I'm posting.

What one piece of art (painting, music, film, fiction, philosophy etc) do you think will be remembered in 100 years time or more? Or more importantly, what should be remembered in 100 years time or more?
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Unread 4 Sep 2007, 15:12   #2
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Footage of Tiananmen Square. That guy standing in front of the tank was brave beyond measure. Closely followed by Footage of the Berlin Wall coming down. United we can do amazing things.
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Probably the Berlin Wall coming down. It's a film, which was the big media success of the 20th century, and it's an important news event as well.


Actually, footage of the plane going into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre (the second plane) may edge out the Berlin Wall. Both are pretty iconic.
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Actually, footage of the plane going into the South Tower of the World Trade Centre (the second plane) may edge out the Berlin Wall. Both are pretty iconic.
September 11th 2001 however is actually in the 21st century so as far as iconic events of the 20th Century then 9/11 in a none event


As for the actual question, from a film front I think the Original Star Wars trilogy will be the movie that goes down as being the most synonymous with the 20th Century. Its far from being the greatest film of the 20th century but the cultural importance and what the whole star wars machines represented most accurately reflects the changes in society in the 20th centrury. After all Star Wars is pretty much the set of films where we finally see Commerce becoming a key factor in film rather than Art. This is just mirroring the change to capitalism that the rest of society has moved to
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Your question is quite wide, but sticking with the TV footage theme I reckon putting a bloke on the moon should probably hedge out the Berlin Wall.
Good point. Regarding photographs, this one will remain iconic for the 1920s/30s in major cities. This one was pretty important too.
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people posting stupid threads

(when it stops it will be remembered as a 20th century phenomina)
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Earthrise is a pretty iconic photo I think
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i doubt the importance of that photo is much at all especially considering that the actual photo was a 'forgery' ie playacted, and mounted 3 months before iwo jima was actually conquered. even america isn't really that deluded to claim that as something to hold the 20th century by really.
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Sorry to be a spoilsport, but does any of that actually count as art? I was kind of hoping this would not be about significant events (technological or political) and focus more on individual (or small groups of) artists or thinkers. Oh well.
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You could say exactly the same about history though.
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i doubt the importance of that photo is much at all especially considering that the actual photo was a 'forgery' ie playacted, and mounted 3 months before iwo jima was actually conquered. even america isn't really that deluded to claim that as something to hold the 20th century by really.
No it wasn't. The picture shows the raising of the second flag not the first and there is some debate about wheather it was staged due to comments by the photographer but it certainly wasn't taken three months before. Three of the soldiers died in the fighting.
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It doesn't actually matter either way - it's what the photograph is a symbol of that's important.
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It doesn't actually matter either way - it's what the photograph is a symbol of that's important.
If the photograph is staged for the cameras then its possible for it to become a symbol of something other than that which was intended (and perhaps one which more accurately summarises the 20th century).
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Things can be staged and still have meaning. Quite regularly in fact. Or did you think the movies you watch and the music you listen to were somehow spontaneously created?
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If the photograph is staged for the cameras then its possible for it to become a symbol of something other than that which was intended (and perhaps one which more accurately summarises the 20th century).
Perhaps.


But to the vast majority of people it will represent America's success in the Pacific Theatre in World War Two - the raising of the flag on one of the Japanese Home Islands. In fact, it was used as the model for the US Marine Corps' War Memorial. That's how it's going to be remembered.


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It has been called the greatest photograph of all time. It may well be the most widely reproduced. It served as the symbol for the Seventh War Loan Drive, for which it was plastered on 3.5 million posters. It was used on a postage stamp and on the cover of countless magazines and newspapers. It served as the model for the Marine Corps War Memorial in Arlington, Va., a symbol forever of the valor and sacrifices of the U.S. Marines.

As a photograph, it derives its power from a simple, dynamic composition, a sense of momentum and the kinetic energy of six men straining toward a common goal, which for one man has slipped just out of grasp. "It has every element. ... It has everything," marveled Eddie Adams, a former AP photographer who took another picture that helped sum up a war — one of a South Vietnamese police chief executing a suspect.

Of Rosenthal's picture, he added: "It's perfect: The position, the body language. ... You couldn't set anything up like this — it's just so perfect."
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Well given that World War 2 seems to some up the worst of what humanity has to offer,
I disagree for the following reasons:
1) Never ever say 'the worst humanity has to offer' we all know something worse is bound to happen
2) The worst of humanity title must be hotly disputed by WW1 - which adds to it's claim for the title by also claiming 'the most stupid thing humanity has to offer (and by the way we caused the 2nd as well/"rock on! spastics R us")
3) One of our charming peculiarities is to be contrary and actually WW2 offers us the best of humanity which is the ability to say "no."
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Or more importantly, what should be remembered in 100 years time or more?
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