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Unread 14 Nov 2005, 19:34   #1
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Concerns about PA administration

Fellow Planetarions,

First off all, I am totally disgusted reading a certain thread on here today and the 'bandwagon trash people' that posted their subjective and biased opinions on the thread. We all know this was the thread about the closing of a certain planet, that has used an offensive/sexual picture on their galaxy banner.

I will keep this short and to the point. Yeah, the planet had to be punished, and PA team decided to close the planet (I personally would have penalised the planet in some way, but not be so harsh and just close it the first time - I am however no admin and no biffy). Quite 'harsh', but they have the right to use such discretion on matters like this.

I am however VERY concerned about the total lack of actions taken by the Administration when it comes down to handling and punishing CHEATERS. This is a message from a galaxy mate I received earlier today, which kind of sums up how I feel about the current state of affairs and the PA administration;

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I havent said anything in discussions in different channels but imo its totaly stupid.
Ohhh no porn on the internet....... in the meantime they let farms stay open ;-/

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Oh boy how much do I agree with how this guy feels. Why for the love of God, Allah, Buddha, is there no action being taken on any reported farms, multis or cheaters, that have been reported by me or fellow Planetarion players???

I would like to know why the PA administration feels it necesary to act in such decisive and crushing way against people 'threading' the rules when it comes to posting offensive material or making threads on AD that criticize the administration, but seem totally ineffective in hunting down and closing people who are threading the rules in other ways - ways I personally deem more destroying to the game than the other mentioned offense.

I am sure I am not the only person feeling this way. Someone needed to say it, so there I have said it. You can flame me for it if you want, but I rather that people try to post something useful on here and if people do feel the same, they need to say it. If people say it, the PA administration should not just close this thread but use it as constructive feedback. There. thank god for freedom of speech (or not, if you think my post is sh*t).

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Re: Concerns about PA administration

Breaking rules publicly is asking for closure.
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

Simply put, it's piss easy to prove that offensive material was posted. Proving someone cheated to the same level is a little harder. They can't explain it as their hamster evolving and trying to broaden its horizons as quite simply, the offensive material was there, and it was put there by their account.

From what I have seen and heard (but I by no means am 'well informed' on the issue), Jolt don't like to close anybody if there is the remotest chance they didn't do it as they don't want to lose paying customers if they can avoid it. Rather than needing "reasonable doubt", it seems that Jolt need "the slightest doubt" to keep people open.

I agree that offensive material etc. is far less damaging to the game, but on Jolts terms, it is FAR easier to prove than cheating.
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

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Breaking them non publicly isn't?

Totally agree with you Bashar. Maybe "reasonable doubt" is the way to go though, instead of the way its handled now.
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

It seems it takes more evidence to close a planet, than convict someone of a major crime in the courts...

Yes, resonable doubt is the way to go.
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

IRC Logs don't count in court, neither would the PA server logs I believe. So no, you'd get nowhere near to proving a cheat in court. So that's a falicy.

But I'd just like to reitterate Bashar's post and say that we do close planets we are quite sure are cheating, but it DOES take more evidence because we can simply see the gal banner is against the rules and hence can be punished for.

Also, I think you might be getting things abit skewed. We don't like to make any closures public. You don't usually hear about the planets we close because they are either guilty of cheating and don't want to kick up a fuss or realise our decision was correct. This just happens to be a case which is not cheat hunting related which in some peoples eyes apparantly means we're slacking on cheat hunting. I'd just like to hopefully assure you that this isn't the case.

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out of curiosity, how many cases are there so far?
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

It seems that at least part of the problem in this case is not that Wishmaster was closed, but the fact that his account was deleted.

as someone seems to want to relate this to the courts, i'd suggest that the courts at least have an idea of proportional punishment. if you murder someone you get life, if you commit some minor misdemeanor (sp?) then you get a telling off.

looking at the eula, everyone's favorite bedtime reading, it's not really clear on the whole proportional response thing:

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18.7. Consequences of actions which are not allowed 
(a) We reserve the right to determine how much evidence is required before action is taken
(b) Any such actions will result in a warning or closure (1) of your Account
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(c) If your Account is closed you will be sent an automated message briefly
stating the reason for the closure. If you wish to appeal against the
closure contact the multihunter team in #multihunters. Upon completion of
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number of actions may result including but not limited to re-opening,
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(1) Account closure means it will not be possible to log into the account,
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closing all outgoing fleets will be automatically recalled, closed Accounts
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with the rest of the universe.
(2) Various punitive measures imply that the punishment is completely at the
discretion of the Admins, it can vary from small score/ship/asteroid losses
to full account closures depending on the situation.
so, assuming that biffy is an admin (which i didn't think he was, but i guess that's a technicality anyway), he totally had the right to do what he did (afaik, noone's disputing that the picture was against the rules).

whether he should have done or not, seems an entirely different matter. does planetarion want to delete planets for relativly minor infractions? to me, it doesn't seem the best choice customer relations wise, but it is their choice to make.
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almost 120, though 10-20 are things like offensive planet names / gal banners / etc. Currently there are over 80 closed planets.
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

mist, please don't derail this thread by going into details on Wishmasters closing/deletion. Thanks man.
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almost 120, though 10-20 are things like offensive planet names / gal banners / etc. Currently there are over 80 closed planets.
and probably more who have been autoerased by the ticker i presume

so, i'd guesstimate about ~200-250 planets in total have been closed?
(usually a case comprises of two or more planets for those not in the know)
thats a chunk of the universe ,about 8% or something, and people say you arent doing anything eh
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Not all are closing, but there's a fair few that are. I wouldn't maybe go quite that high, but we've certainly closed over 100 planets.
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sorry, i thought the thread was about jolt's conduct over it.

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Re: Concerns about PA administration

So did I, mist.

Now I have/had my problems with admins in the past, but on this front I totally support them.

They did the right thing, and good on em.
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its no idea to have concerns about how pa do stuff they do as they please unless its the m8's of the so called helpers then its a total diffrent matter.... isnt farms usually freebees? but it seems you guys needs approx 3 months to investigate certine planets way to go m8's :/
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

This topic is actually getting quite boring.

PA admins are doing a damn fine job, and for some it is almost like having another job outside of real life. Though i have my opinions on what happened and what under similiar circumstances I would have done, I support the decision 100%.

I have seen some of the 'reported' cases that come through and some are quite frankly just silly and nothing but people being petty towards someone they probably had an arguement over who got the most roids x nights ago.

PAteam and the MH's work their arses off keeping up with things, considering there isn't half a dozen of them and a few thousand of you.

If you think you can do better i would dearly like to see you try, though most of you i wouldn't trust with a harpy let alone the MH tools.
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its no idea to have concerns about how pa do stuff they do as they please unless its the m8's of the so called helpers then its a total diffrent matter.... isnt farms usually freebees? but it seems you guys needs approx 3 months to investigate certine planets way to go m8's :/

can you please learn to structure your posts , that one is a nightmare to understand

are you accusing them of bias towards their friends/support staff?
If so, kindly go get a clue.

farms arent always freebie accounts by the way and no, they dont need 3 months to investigate planets.
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Brimstone it might be boring to you but some people are really interested, so hush.

You seem to highly overrate the 'pettiness' of the people reporting suspicious planets and it's amazing sometimes to find out the responses of those planets when they are accused 'well i initialiased roids cause i did not know I had incoming', or 'its okay for a planet to only build def ships as long as they are not a multi' (coming from the same planet that was initiating roids 2-3 ticks before it's hostiles landed).- right. VNC for the win or what?\

Phil, about bias, pm me if you want an example, I refuse to go into it on here as it will just resort to flames and denials by the persons involved (and their 20 friends backing them up).
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can you please learn to structure your posts , that one is a nightmare to understand
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I am starting to think this is getting boring. It really is getting boring. This is the third thread i have read now slagging off the admins and there judgement.. as phil and appoc stated in this thread if there has bin over 150 plus accounts closed does that not show somthing is being done? Your forgetting these guys are not being payed, they take all this abuse from somone like you to do this in there own time. I personaly think anyone that keeps moaning at them, even though we all know you wouldnt do what they do and take this abuse, i personaly find it pathetic. There doing there jobs, after probably coping with there own real lives, just let them get on with it and just shut up. And if i see another one of these stupid threads i sujest (to the forum mods) you ban the person creating it as its just getting boring and pathetic now.
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well if noone post anything negative on the forums its just an asslicking contest here.

well it might be a better thing but it makes the forums useless really
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The key issue is that it is soooo easy to get away with cheating by using a little common sense. It's also pretty common for the cheating players to only do so for an initial boost to the start of their round, then play normally afterwards. VNC is regularly cited as one method that is virtually impossible to stop. There are many ways to farm while making it look like a regular attack.
I've been saying for years that the only way to reliably catch the top cheaters is for someone close to turn them in. And with the closeknit groups left in PA I don't see that ever happening.
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Willzzz you seem to be confusing 'slagging off', 'abuse', and 'moaning' with what this thread is about.

This is a forum, it's used to discuss things Planetarion related and people can use it to voice their concerns. If you think this is a place to just tell people that have an opinion 'to shut up', maybe you should think twice before you post something totally unconstructive in my thread. Thank you.

XtotheZ, I agree witj you that only the stupid / noobish cheaters seem to get caught. I however don't care about them being caught, if it's 100 of them, 200, or 300. I want the big bad meanies to get caught. The ones that are using their farming schemes, defense planets and multi/scan planets to achieve a top10 ranking with their planets. I am afraid and starting to believe that there is not much we can do about that ...
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Can we please quash all this rubbish relating to legal issues and whether biffy has the right to close a planet.

While I dont support the decision made to close the planet, Jolt retain the right to do whatever they like when you sign the EULA. That includes anyone acting on behalf or with the authority of Jolt.

Finally please note that you cannot sue someone for committing an offence of looking at child porn. Its a criminal, not a civil case.

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Finally finally to the idiot who neg repped me (get a life; the reputation system is for geeks)) the banner clearly wasn't child porn, i was referring to a different image, where someone said OMG u looked at child porn I can sue you!

Leave your name next time retard!

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Whoever posted this in the 'reputation' system totally missed the point of this thread. Kind of weak to do it anonymously as well. Anyways try understanding what a thread is about and try reading the posts; I said I actually respected the choice even though I wouldn't have made it such myself.
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that "for once" is kinda the issue with biffy
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Re: Concerns about PA administration

It's rather funny, as bwtmc pointed out on the other thread, that all kinds of insulting fleet names all the way from child molestry to sadomasochism are approved. We do have to notice here, that fleet names are not under EULA agreement, so we can basically name our fleets "GO **** YOUR MOMMY" (or sister, as in bwtmc's example), and it's all good and nice. Added up with the fact that, as xontas on his post in the closed thread pointed out, and Appocomaster by his doings underlined, the way of dealing with these EULA-violating pictures varies depending on whether biffy has a bad day or not, well... We've always been picky haven't we, dear adminstrators?

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And on the same note, private messages containing subjects such as rape are freely accepted because you can 'rape someone's planet' and because rape has become some sort of internet buzz word for ownage its ok.

Its a bit like when people called others Jews as an insult (might have been a battle.net only epidemic there)!
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I love how you guys are looking for as many things as possible that could be considered bad or wrong. Trying to load the MH down with even more garbage than they already deal with?

You're really helping the situation out here. No, really you are.
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It's rather funny, as bwtmc pointed out on the other thread, that all kinds of insulting fleet names all the way from child molestry to sadomasochism are approved. We do have to notice here, that fleet names are not under EULA agreement, so we can basically name our fleets "GO **** YOUR MOMMY" (or sister, as in bwtmc's example), and it's all good and nice. Added up with the fact that, as xontas on his post in the closed thread pointed out, and Appocomaster by his doings underlined, the way of dealing with these EULA-violating pictures varies depending on whether biffy has a bad day or not, well... We've always been picky haven't we, dear adminstrators?

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I thought Mr. Penis himself had his fleetnames changed because they included the word 'penis'. If you can't put penis in your fleetnames, what penis can you penis? Penis penis, penis!
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It's rather funny, as bwtmc pointed out on the other thread, that all kinds of insulting fleet names all the way from child molestry to sadomasochism are approved. We do have to notice here, that fleet names are not under EULA agreement, so we can basically name our fleets "GO **** YOUR MOMMY" (or sister, as in bwtmc's example), and it's all good and nice.
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We are currently having private discussions on limits, for anyone who isn't sure what will get them closed. We've tried to be clearer than previously when drawing up these guidelines, but the clearer we are the more people try and abuse it. For example, if we say that "from now on, no one can be closed for posting any sort of galaxy picture", then people will put up ridiciously horrific or explicit graphic pictures happy in the knowledge they can't be closed and showing how clever they are for "living life on the edge". Or whatever.
We don't want to go through every possible situation and document it to the nth degree; it'd take far too long and we'd keep having to add to it. We will try and be consistent, although most multihunter cases are judged almost case by case - there's often similarities, but usually there's differences.
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its a long way from closed to delated....delation should be the final punishiment if an active guy is closed some days with no res is a hard punishiment that lots of ppl would think is enough to not share/ post offensive pics etc but nooo you just have to delate the cos the eula.

thats what wrong atm and makes ppl quit pa...

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actually, we don't officially have a punishment of closing for x days.
(partly because it'd actually be better than being in vacation mode as you still get resources etc :P)

We close, and unless they successfully appeal, they're automatically deleted within 10 days.
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i know you dont have it but you should have it ofc with no res
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If you're closed surely you should receive resources. This is in similar thinking to that u could covop planets while closed. After all, if you cheated, you wont get reopened, and if u didnt, u shouldnt lose res!

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If you're closed surely you should receive resources. This is in similar thinking to that u could covop planets while closed. After all, if you cheated, you wont get reopened, and if u didnt, u shouldnt lose res!

Last round I was closed for using pa at uni, and ended up with less res than before the days closure!
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so it all its gonna be then delate ppl or not delate ppl scary
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In the past it has been known for more minor issues to be solved by penalising (by taking ships / roids / resources) but if i remember correctly there were a few threads asking how someone could only have cheated slightly, and how either they were cheating and should be closed or weren't cheating and should stay open. So I guess the open or close case now more suits players mentality :-)
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I think everyone but the cheaters will agree appoco, that if you cheat you're closed and that's that.
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well its not the point im after here. this a teamgame not a singelplayer game think its time to actually look at it that way and yes proved cheating is ofc a valid reson for clousings.

but with the fluid rulings of the eula some ppl get closed for something and other dont for the same thing..

hope i can make my point clear but i dubt it really :/
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its no idea to have concerns about how pa do stuff they do as they please unless its the m8's of the so called helpers then its a total diffrent matter.... isnt farms usually freebees? but it seems you guys needs approx 3 months to investigate certine planets way to go m8's :/
Hello *waves* unless i'm greatly mistaken we were tlkaing earlier and i pointed out that a very good fried of mine had just been closed...

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i dont care about your m8 as i dont know anything about it and i dont speak of specific cases dumbass

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well its not the point im after here. this a teamgame not a singelplayer game think its time to actually look at it that way and yes proved cheating is ofc a valid reson for clousings.

but with the fluid rulings of the eula some ppl get closed for something and other dont for the same thing..

hope i can make my point clear but i dubt it really :/
The only difference is what we can prove. People who break the rules from a MH point of view will remain closed if we can prove it. IF we cannot then we have no alternative but to open them. I think this is not only the fairest way to do things but the only way to do them. Would u rather we closed everyone regardless? or left everyone open regardless? this seems to be what you are aiming for.

As regarding fleet name abuse. If people report to us that someone is using abusive fleet names we will change them and warn/close the person depending on the severity of the case. I suppose again we should ether do nothing or close them all regardless.

This is the same for every action an admin may take against a planet. We cannot have one rule set in stone for every case as every case is different.

What we do have in place is an appeal system ware people can come and appeal their case before an Admin. When this happens the case will be reviewed by at leaste one other person on the admin team and a discussion will take place about the punishment given and the severity of the crime. This means that all cases are agreed by at leaste 2 admins which gives a bit more fairness to the people affected.

Please though if you think im off the mark on the way we handle things i would love to hear some suggestions. If you dont like the way things are done how about giving us some ideas of what you think is the fairest way to handle things rather than complaining endlessly try to contrabute somthing.
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I thought Mr. Penis himself had his fleetnames changed because they included the word 'penis'. If you can't put penis in your fleetnames, what penis can you penis? Penis penis, penis!
Well, that's a case I never heard of - the last time I played, I did receive a *lot* of abusive fleet names on my incomings screen, and I occasionally reported them, and I can only remember one time in which something was done about it.

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My bad. I didn't remember it that accurately. I'll just have to refer to my personal experiences on abusive fleet names -- some rounds ago nobody took these things so serious, at least on the adminstrative side. Maybe it's gotten stricter -- which can be good (assuming people will be treaten equally no matter how they post on forums and no matter if they are peak players or newbies).


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Actually, what I tried to say was that I held your - and xontas' - descisions a little more reasonable than the one biffy made. Maybe I confused you with too much of my rants when I was trying to point out that it is hardly smart that there is no guidelines on punishments in what comes to these occasions, and that it seems to be solely related to which admin (or such) picks up the violation and what kind of a day he is having.

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And by letting the disaster happen before making such guidelines, you've come to a situation where you are REQUIRED to follow AT LEAST as strict punishments as Wishmaster suffered on galaxy banners. Otherwise it'll look tad haywired. So, we are all expecting a zero-tolerance guideline in what comes to more or less abusive/violent/pornographic content. Lines need to be drawn, as more or less naked female bodies have appeared in galaxy banners throughout planetarion history.


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almost 120, though 10-20 are things like offensive planet names / gal banners / etc. Currently there are over 80 closed planets.
Which leads us to 8% of the universe being closed, or? Is an offensive planet name, fleet name ok? Or are only galaxy banners under "capitol punishment" of planet deletion?
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I like reporting the ppl who have abusive fleet names as there is no need for it.
I would hate to imagine a kid in school getting caught playing a game in school but to make it worse seeing fcuk shit and bollocks and some other random words i have seen racist and just down right sick on there screen would cause a bit of a bad rep for PA. All it takes is for one or 2 parents to notice all the swearwords before politcs starts getting involved and PA getting into a load of shit for it.

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Well, that's a case I never heard of - the last time I played, I did receive a *lot* of abusive fleet names on my incomings screen, and I occasionally reported them, and I can only remember one time in which something was done about it.
That was my point. The enforcement is completely arbitrary, and usually more likely to go against active, dedicated members of the community than in favor of.
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That was my point. The enforcement is completely arbitrary, and usually more likely to go against active, dedicated members of the community than in favor of.
This, however, raises the question what kind of community you would want for your game. Personally I am not a great fan of general insults being thrown around the universe, especially not when it's some teenage-wanna-be-comedian who, for example, considers a couple having sex as funny.
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Which leads us to 8% of the universe being closed, or? Is an offensive planet name, fleet name ok? Or are only galaxy banners under "capitol punishment" of planet deletion?
my fleet name "gay black jew" was changed to "pink fluffy bunnies" without any contact from an admin. i couldn't change it from that irrc. i thought that was a pretty cool way to deal with offensive material.

the pa team doesn't have to be consistent with their closures in regards to offensive material because punishment is arbitrary. it might not make sense but lol it's in da rulez we all agree with at sign up.
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my fleet name "gay black jew" was changed to "pink fluffy bunnies" without any contact from an admin. i couldn't change it from that irrc. i thought that was a pretty cool way to deal with offensive material.

the pa team doesn't have to be consistent with their closures in regards to offensive material because punishment is arbitrary. it might not make sense but lol it's in da rulez we all agree with at sign up.
You could change it. Unless you're a free planet there's no way we can stop you changing your fleet names.
Unless we change the name of the "base" fleet, which you can't change at all.
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