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Unread 17 Aug 2005, 12:16   #1
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Jean Charles de Menezes

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlo...550565,00.html

He runs for the train, sits down, then a policeman gets on the train and shoots him in the head. Is that correct?
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

No. But it's what that crowd would like us to believe.



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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

to be fair, the Guardian is pretty crap but I wouldn't be suprised if some (or all) of those revelations were true, seeing as cops (read: everyone) generally lie their asses off to protect themselves when they do shit like this.

the first offical story you hear in cases like this is generally debunked after a while.
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

Lets see if they get round this with

'war on terror WAR ON TERROR its all ok because terrorismterrorismterrorism'

the most omg lol bit is sir ian blair apparently writing to the HS to allow the police to investigate this themselves, even the IPCC weren't allowed in till nearly a week later.


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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

This is speculation on a leaked document.

The IPCC is the proper process through which all of the evidence will be considered.

This leak distorts the picture and though we might not like it, it takes a long time to determine what the truth is. It only takes seconds to create a lie.
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

If the truth does turn out to be total incompetence, is it possible that the officer who pulled the trigger (and perhaps the superior who gave permission/the order) could find themselves on a murder charge in a public trial?
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Police in '****ing-up big time with regards to non-white people' total non-shockar.
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

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Police in '****ing-up big time with regards to non-white people' total non-shockar.
Portugese Brazilians are white, aren't they?
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Portugese Brazilians are white, aren't they?
If they are, they don't look it. I always tend to think of Pele when Brazillians are discussed.
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People who leak documents are fantastic.
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All useful documents are leaked to the Sunday Times. Everyone knows that
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If the truth does turn out to be total incompetence, is it possible that the officer who pulled the trigger (and perhaps the superior who gave permission/the order) could find themselves on a murder charge in a public trial?
it wouldn't be murder if it was just incompetence. but yes, there's nothing to prevent such a trial and policemen have been put on trial before
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it wouldn't be murder if it was just incompetence. but yes, there's nothing to prevent such a trial and policemen have been put on trial before
I take it it's manslaughter?

I'm not really in favour of those being prosecuted for doing their job, except in extreme circumstances.
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"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 [firearms squad] officers ... I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side. I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting ... I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away on to the floor of the carriage."

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What exactly are you meant to be trying to suggest there? Someone got one letter wrong in the name of a police firearms squad so their entire statement is obvious rubbish?
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Did you hear beauty salons in London are closing down?

Well the police are doing brazilians for free now.



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the correct useage is 'waxing'.

and dont copy the joke from another thread (1-x will no doubt link)
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Did you hear beauty salons in London are closing down?

Well the police are doing brazilians for free now.



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but not after i said old


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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

In before the new-old joke
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Re: Jean Charles de Menezes

the officer is chage was a woman named 'Cressida Dick'.

Just thought I'd share that...
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the officer is chage was a woman named 'Cressida Dick'.

Just thought I'd share that...
Maybe that explains it. When they grabbed him he saw someone he knew and shouted out her name, "CRESSIDA DICK" Unfortunately with his foreign accent it sounded like, "CARESS MY DICK." the offended officer then fired seven times in reply.
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Ian Blair is really pissing me off. On the radio yesterday, he said

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It is one death out of 57.
What an utterly retarded thing to say. Why can't he just say, plainly "We made a terrible error, and nothing can mitigate it."

He radiates the worst kind of puffed-up, 'little man on the make' self-importance, and I hope he's fired as soon as possible.
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