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Unread 25 Jun 2004, 11:26   #201
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

Yeah, he thought it was a half-hour ad for "The Critic".

I thought the "foriegn" (as it were) writers did a good job, even though a couple of bits were out of place - e.g. Mr Burns and the Imperial March music (very funny though).
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Unread 25 Jun 2004, 11:27   #202
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

Mr Burns, you truly are the king of kings!
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Unread 25 Jun 2004, 11:32   #203
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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If memory serves, that's the only episode of the Simpsons without Groening's name on it; he hated the crossover concept, and refused to be a part of it.

It's also a really good episode, so what does that tell us, children?



It tells us that we have an innate talent to derail any thread into discussing the Simpsons!

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Unread 25 Jun 2004, 11:38   #204
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

The thread wasn't really going anywhere.

'It was a goal!'
'No it wasn't!'
'Sven had bad tactics!'
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Unread 25 Jun 2004, 11:54   #205
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

I agree...lets all party!

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Unread 25 Jun 2004, 12:36   #206
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Touching the goalie is a foul? Quite simply, your wrong.
in the 5m box it is a foul.

ricardo wanted to catch the ball, but couldnt as Terry was there. FOUL!

the rules are prolly a bti different in england, but the international rules say so.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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THAT RESULT WAS NOT ADEQUATE!
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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ricardo wanted to catch the ball, but couldnt as Terry was there. FOUL!
What kind of crazy football are you talking about? 'The attacking players must move out the way so the opposing keeper can get nearer to a player that has the ball, even though he wouldn't get there'?
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

Only just got t'internet back and cant be arsed reading through all this so sorry if i'm repeating someone.

UEFA/FIFA need to sort out this keeper being fouled in the area thing. Not just because of last night, i've thought this for a long time. If anyone jumps for the ball within 5 metres of the keeper and he doesnt catch it cleanly its a foul. Thats just ridiculous. It should be the same as defender jumping for the ball with an attacker. The keeper gets to use his hands, so if he cant get to the ballt hands his own ****ing fault.

Its the rules or way the refs apply them that need to be changed rather than a bad decision by the ref in this case imo. Most refs would have given a foul simply because a player was stood next to the keeper, which is just stupid.

Also, we were shit. We should have brought Heskey on if we were going to play long balls up to the strikers because Owen and Vassel had no chance. Why do we still try to defend 1-0 leads? We lost against Brazil doing it, we lost against France doing it and we lost against Portugal doing it .


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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

Christ, are we going to hear this bitching and moaning as much as you lot talk about winning the 66 world cup?
Fs. Get over it.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Christ, are we going to hear this bitching and moaning as much as you lot talk about winning the 66 world cup?
It's the day after the ****ing match you moron, not 40 years on.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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What kind of crazy football are you talking about? 'The attacking players must move out the way so the opposing keeper can get nearer to a player that has the ball, even though he wouldn't get there'?
the 5m box is the area of the goalkeeper. the rule says so.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Christ, are we going to hear this bitching and moaning as much as you lot talk about winning the 66 world cup?
Fs. Get over it.
When was the last time you won anything?
Least we're pro our nation, not anti our 'rivals'.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

I'm pro threads like this. It's a hilarious read.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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the 5m box is the area of the goalkeeper. the rule says so.
So no opposing players are allowed behind the 6 yard line? Just so we're clear on this?
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Unread 25 Jun 2004, 13:06   #216
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

no. but if the goalkeeper is hindered (does this word exist=?) in catching by a player in the 5m box it is automatically a free kick.

i dont like the rule too, but thats not the matter.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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no. but if the goalkeeper is hindered (does this word exist=?) in catching by a player in the 5m box it is automatically a free kick.
See, this makes sense if it's a direct competition between two players, but unless you have the actual rule to hand, I don't see why a passive off the ball incident should count as a foul.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

"It is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly impeding him at the taking of a corner-kick"
Is found in the "Questions about the rules" bit on the FIFA site.
Personally, I'd interpret this as actively doing something that prevents movement and not just standing still... but it's hardly conclusive, and it's certainly not pushing...
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Also, we were shit. We should have brought Heskey on if we were going to play long balls up to the strikers because Owen and Vassel had no chance.
We should have brought Heskey and Joe Cole on. Beckham shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first place though.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

We were shit, we cant defend 1-0 leads, its been proven, but we were still robbed aof a perfectly good goal.
i predict a Sweden vs Czech final.

Nice to see the dutchies backing portugal...out of interest, u think davids penalty against latvia was a penalty, as there was as much contact between him and the defender there as between terry and Ricardo...?

Atleast we beat Germany in progessing
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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It's the day after the ****ing match you moron, not 40 years on.
Well how much longer are you lot going to say the same thing over and over then? This thread has been the same damn argument for the past 2 pages.



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When was the last time you won anything?
Least we're pro our nation, not anti our 'rivals'.
Define 'won' anything. We won the match against England in the 6 Nations, we our past 4 games in football. We won "most alcoholic nation in the EU".

We're not anti-rivals, we don't have rivals. We're just anti-English, like the rest of Europe. I watched the match last night in a pub in town where there was a farewell party for two German girls who worked with us.
There were Irish, Italians, Spanish, Germans, French and Czechs...all with a spirit of unity. Brought together by our common wish to see England lose.
The cheers and shouts of joy, the jumping around when Portugal scored were just great.

Face it. Your just not liked.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Define 'won' anything. We won the match against England in the 6 Nations, we our past 4 games in football. We won "most alcoholic nation in the EU".

We're not anti-rivals, we don't have rivals. We're just anti-English, like the rest of Europe. I watched the match last night in a pub in town where there was a farewell party for two German girls who worked with us.
There were Irish, Italians, Spanish, Germans, French and Czechs...all with a spirit of unity. Brought together by our common wish to see England loose.
The cheers and shouts of joy, the jumping around when Portugal scored were just great.

Face it. Your just not liked.
Inferiority complex, clearly.
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Inferiority complex, clearly.
Bah! Bosh and Flimshaw!
Your just an unlikeable race of people. (In general, on your own you seem to be ok)

(actually the real reason is it's so easy to get you lot pissed off and arguing. It's fun to slag you lost off)
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Well how much longer are you lot going to say the same thing over and over then? This thread has been the same damn argument for the past 2 pages.
Completley unlike every other argument on GD which goes on for more than 2 or 3 pages then.

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By whom? I've never really experienced this tbh, when I've travelled abroad, although my name is quite "unenglish" as is my appearance (I suppose). But in Europe, outside of the small countries, is there anyone particularly liked? There seems to be particular grudges against the French, Germans, Russians and Turks. Maybe the Italians, although they're all greasy haired scum I guess.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

everyone's kinda fond of the dutch...
just not the football team - for their historical racist attitude and the twat that is nistelrooy...
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Part of the problem is there really is no valid neutral party in this; portugal will say its illegal, england will say its legal, and noone else really cares. It's taking disinterest to a whole new level.
Bullshit. I'm neither Portuguese nor English (I was even hoping for England to go through). I'm Swiss and I hate the referee even more than you ever can imagine. Everyone here does as he's clearly the worst Swiss referee. Still, everyone who says it couldn't be judged as fouls is either not objective rational or knows nothing about football. Though I admit that the decision was hard, Terry's ellbow is clearly not allowed to be up there.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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By whom? I've never really experienced this tbh, when I've travelled abroad, although my name is quite "unenglish" as is my appearance (I suppose). But in Europe, outside of the small countries, is there anyone particularly liked? There seems to be particular grudges against the French, Germans, Russians and Turks. Maybe the Italians, although they're all greasy haired scum I guess.

Well to be honest, most international visiters here have never expressed any particular fondness to England.
That's not to say that they mightn't get on well with english people. I personally have a few english m8's and aquaintances. We get on well, I dont hate them. We slag each other now and then but that doesn't stop us wishing for England to lose just about everything they enter,

It's not that your personally disliked, its just a whole. Like the English attitude to the germans I guess.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Though I admit that the decision was hard, Terry's ellbow is clearly not allowed to be up there.
Yes it is, he wasn't deliberately impeding Ricardo. It wasn't a foul.

Honesly I bet most of you lot have never played 90 minutes of football before.

The BBC showed a clip of the ref indicating physically and verbally that he gave it for a 'push', so all this bullshit about Terry's elbow is irrelevant.
The ref couldn't and didn't see what happened, but instead of asking his linesman, he gave a foul against England, which has cost us a place in the semi-finals.

Something has to be done.

edit: fixed stupid mistake.
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Right then.

1. We would have been alright with Rooney. Cos we could of defended like bastards and prayed to god that Rooney pulled another goal out of his arse.
2. I dont see why the goal was disallowed.
3. Sven should not have decided to mearly defend without Rooney. Our defence wasnt gonna hold out against Portugal, we needed another goal. Mind you without Rooney I couldnt see any of our other players scoring.
5. We're always ****ed when it comes to pentalties.
4. I'm thinking we should keep Sven.

At the end of the day we needed Rooney.

Teams looking good for the world cup. Rooney, Beckham, Ashley Cole all played like gods. And when we get Ferdinand back our defence will be kicking.
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I saw him as the rock in midfield.
even if you are right he's still one of our best players.
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I literally burst out laughing. He has been shit all tournament, stop kidding yourself.
I was just asuming it was a troll.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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I reckon Owen will score and Rooney will probably be sent off.


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Fair enough Rooney didnt get "sent" off card wise but he was "removed from play".

Counts as a correct prediction in my book :)

If only i'd bet on the Owen goal like i'd planned to.

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Nice to see the dutchies backing portugal...out of interest, u think davids penalty against latvia was a penalty, as there was as much contact between him and the defender there as between terry and Ricardo...?
It wasn't a penalty by a long shot.

And there was a good bit more contact between Terry and Ricardo - check the picture on the previous page.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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And there was a good bit more contact between Terry and Ricardo - check the picture on the previous page.
A picture is a bad indication of the amount of restriction of movement placed upon people; a big factor is the strength behind the arm; obviously an arm with no force behind it would be much less restrictive than one that is tensed.

Of course, this is all irrelevent, because he ruled it out for a push. Please point me to this push.
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Al Capone got put in prison for tax fraud.
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Al Capone got put in prison for tax fraud.
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(...) which has cost us a place in the semi-finals.
No, you literally stopped playing football after the 0:1. As you should have learned of the mistakes of Italy, playing Catenaccio is bad. How can you blame the ref., if you're not able to get more than 2-3 chances during the whole match?

I can understand that most of you don't agree with the decision, as in the Premier League such situations are normally not judged as a foul. In most other leagues and at ec's/wc's, even the slightest distraction of the goalkeeper in the keeper area can be judged as foul.
It's possible that the explanation of the ref. was incorrect; that doesn't alter the fact, though, that actually giving the foul was right.
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Now question the answer!
The answer is that the goal should have been disallowed for foul A being committed. It got disallowed for foul B being committed.

End result was still the same, so you can't use that as some way to prove that the goal should have been allowed.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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No, you literally stopped playing football after the 0:1. As you should have learned of the mistakes of Italy, playing Catenaccio is bad. How can you blame the ref., if you're not able to get more than 2-3 chances during the whole match?
You're missing the point. However badly England played (starting with when Rooney was injured, not when the goal went in) if that was a valid goal it cost england's place in the last 4. That cannot be argued with. It's not a question of 'deserving' or otherwise, or else all football would come down to would be arguing about which team 'deserves' to beat another. The fact of the matter is that the worse way to lose is by something beyond your control; if Portugal had played England off the park and won 8-0, there wouldn't be any complaints about this sort of thing; it's precisely that the match WAS so close that an increased amount of responsibility rests with the referee, who quite clearly wasn't able to justify it.

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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

What the hell are you talking about? I never talked about who deserved it and who not.
The Referee and his decisions are part of the game; He might be wrong sometimes (although he was right in the concerning situation, in my opinion) and that's ok, as it's an elemental part of football.
Blaming the ref. for not winning is a sign of distracting from own disabilities, e.g. playing Catenaccio or the penalty of Beckham.

The decision of the ref. is a fact, you have to live with it. You can try to win by performing well, however. Not talking about the latter makes England clearly the worst looser until now at this ec.
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Hehe.

i thought it was going to be the one with Beckham and Jonny Wilkinson that I was e-mailed before.
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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

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Blaming the ref. for not winning is a sign of distracting from own disabilities, e.g. playing Catenaccio or the penalty of Beckham.
For my reply to this line, read the post you quoted.

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The decision of the ref. is a fact, you have to live with it. You can try to win by performing well, however. Not talking about the latter makes England clearly the worst looser until now at this ec.
Not talking about what? The tactical ineptitude that was shown? The lack of drive? You mean the kind of thing nigh on every single englishman in this thread has commented on?

This is exactly what I was talking about in my last post. England didn't deserve to win, with the tactics, with the playing. But they SHOULD have won, which is, in the final reckoning, all that matters.
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I precicted 2-1 for this, I think it will be v. close, might even go to penalties /o\
Hope Rooney breaks Ronaldos legs.
Told u so!
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But they SHOULD have won, which is, in the final reckoning, all that matters.
No, they shouldn't have.
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Not talking about what? The tactical ineptitude that was shown? The lack of drive? You mean the kind of thing nigh on every single englishman in this thread has commented on?

This is exactly what I was talking about in my last post. England didn't deserve to win, with the tactics, with the playing. But they SHOULD have won, which is, in the final reckoning, all that matters.
Hear, hear. And in reply to the gist of IncubusGod's argument:

To hate England for their "treatment of the Germans" is called hypocrisy.
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2. I dont see why the goal was disallowed.
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It was shit goalkeeping, and the referee can go to hell.

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Re: THE England Vs. Portugal THREAD.

Having seen the replay for the first time since being sober.

That goal should have stood.

There was no attempt for Terry, or Campbell, to block off the keeper, they were both going for the ball completely.

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