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Unread 13 Dec 2005, 12:35   #1
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rollback?

why rollback 3 extra ticks? someone needed extra fi/co def or what?
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Re: rollback?

That was the last db back up.
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Re: rollback?

so they doesnt back up every tick in a tick based game?
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Re: rollback?

Think Appoco mentioned in the other thread that the HDD was full. If that was a joke or not I have no clue about.
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Re: rollback?

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so they doesnt back up every tick in a tick based game?
Its even worse - they also dont back up after each change in the game (fleet prelaunch, production, research, messages, votes etc. etc. etc.). I think that clearly shows the cold-heartedness of the PATeam and also that Jolt is really just in it for the millions of dollar they make from PA

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gay reply try again m8
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Re: rollback?

just because you are incapable of understanding sarcasm doesnt mean it was a bad reply robban1.
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sarcasm isnt the issue here phil
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sarcasm isnt the issue here phil
Quite correct. But your inability to understanding sarcasm is
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Re: rollback?

Unfortunately, robban1 has a point. They did used to back up every tick. Didn't they?
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Re: rollback?

they did but chances are there were other reasons for choosing that time to roll back to, such as that being the tick where the least number of fleets were flying, so less people are affected by it, etc.
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Read my first post in the thread. And again: No idea if that was meant as a joke from Appoco
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Re: rollback?

you know, if HDD is full,it means.. no more space to save backups..

other explanation: your clauset is full by porn magazines, you cant even open the door before it's all over you... you wont get another one in, will you? Without removing something first. that is...
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my guess is that hdd drive went full, and wasnt able to save backups....
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Re: rollback?

hdd could not have been full i think.last round or 2 rounds ago hdd was replae by a much bigegr one, bec the gam,e crashed due to it being full. It should not be full again then.... (Or they bought one with one extra 1gb only ^^)
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Re: rollback?

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you know, if HDD is full,it means.. no more space to save backups..
Well its a pretty stupid idea in more then one way to store backups to the same physical media and i give PATeam enough credit to not seriously think they do that ...
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Re: rollback?

So what about people, who have gone into Vacation mode?? Will they be kicked out of it?

Also what tick is it exactly we will be going back too? as in what was the tick number at 22:30 last night?
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22 30 pm gmt = 16 30 usa east coast
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I think it will be tick 1082... not sure though.
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17:30 east coast. it's only a 5-hour difference. Would be 16:30 in *central us* timezone.
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Re: rollback?

Well as we have such wonderful sites as sandmans and pilkara, where do the noobs out there think they their data from? Of course the data backs up each tick, and maybe the thing that caused the HDD to fill up happened 3 ticks before that, which is why the 3 tick rollback.

Of course im largely speculating, but im fresh out of sarcasm.

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Re: rollback?

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Well as we have such wonderful sites as sandmans and pilkara, where do the noobs out there think they their data from?
Ah. Not quite. The database dump only includes a few items available to the public ingame, as an additional service and as a counter-incentive to use bots to gather information ingame.

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Of course the data backs up each tick, and maybe the thing that caused the HDD to fill up happened 3 ticks before that, which is why the 3 tick rollback.
Actually, without being in a position to state how it is today, in r12 (iirc, may have been 13) there were problems with the backups keeping the game down for over a minute at a time and to allieviate this they were turned down to once every 3 ticks (and moved to :30, rather than :55, so they wouldn't screw up people's launches). It would appear that the time taken to perform the backups has been much improved (along with ticker speed, bless you Kloopy), but since this isn't the first time in the last few rounds the harddrive filling up has been a problem (last time I experienced it was r13), I wouldn't be surprised if they've kept it at once every 3 ticks to save space.

All that said, can someone update me on why they're giving us a million of each resource? What's that supposed to do?
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I heard its to annoy attackers who are now going to be stopped by this res.
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So what about people, who have gone into Vacation mode?? Will they be kicked out of it?

Also what tick is it exactly we will be going back too? as in what was the tick number at 22:30 last night?
vacation mode has been disabled since monday morning
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so they doesnt back up every tick in a tick based game?
we backup at every other tick at xx:30. The reason for this si that when the db gets big it takes a while to backup which results in downtime.

There was a 00:30 backup, however we could not verify that this was complete due to the nature of the failure, hence we had to revert to the 22:30 backup.
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Re: rollback?

thought you guys had learned something from the past but it seems like you isnt roll back is bad and affect the uni too muchand here you talk about a hd getting full dont you guys check up stuff once in a while??

its damn sloppy of the admins (kal) that this happen

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thought you guys had learned something from the past but it seems like you isnt roll back is bad and affect the uni too muchand here you talk about a hd getting full dont you guys check up stuff once in a while??

its damn sloppy of the admins (kal) that this happen

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I agree entirly that this shouldn't have happened, and the Servers Manager has been actioned to take preventative action.

A rollback is not a good thing, but we believe that the current standing policy with roll backs is better than previoes ones. Now in the event of a roll back we will allways restart ticks 24 hours after the last good backup was taken (assuming that the game is not down for more than 24 hours), this means that the rollback will disadvantag eas few people as possible.
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I agree entirly that this shouldn't have happened, and the Servers Manager has been actioned to take preventative action.
In case you're all wondering "actioned" is pateam-speak for "anally raped".
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Re: rollback?

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why rollback 3 extra ticks? someone needed extra fi/co def or what?
Nah anti de m8, the roll back has cost me about 500-600k in score... I had renamed my fleet at eta 4 before the crash (another black eye). which gave the game away for the roll back on the right kind of def.
I am not complaining As long as it was a technical thing.
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Re: rollback?

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Well as we have such wonderful sites as sandmans and pilkara, where do the noobs out there think they their data from? Of course the data backs up each tick...
The dump listings used by the tool sites are generated by the ticker and show a small portion of the universe data. I imagine the database for the entire game would be at least ten times larger than this (remember politics/alliance board/journal posts are in it too, possibly along with debug logs), and backing up every tick is really just a waste of disk space, especially when you remember that there aren't many actions in the game that can be ruined in two ticks but not in one.

As part of a tool I started in TheOtherGame™, a script has logged every planet dump for every tick. After 1300+ ticks this database has reached several hundred megabytes, and thats without maintaining various table indexes or even galaxy/alliance lists. Just imagine how much bigger a backup for every game tick would be, even for just the previous week.
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Re: rollback?

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So what about people, who have gone into Vacation mode?? Will they be kicked out of it?
Seems atleast some of'em were kicked out of vacation mode. Atleast it happened to one of my galm8's. He lost some ships and roids earlier today, and he just came back from a few days of for work and thought he still were in vacation mode. Guess he might consider giving away login info next time he goes away
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I dont know why, but when the rollback happened, I could research ALL the tech tree and it would work, i.e I researched and used unit scans (ran out of time to do much else), this is strange as I am a Free account.

Before you say it i wasnt upgraded, as I still had the "This is a free account" message at the top of the screen.
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Re: rollback?

I had that all the time since I registered m planet. Which was friday or saturday last week, so it might've been because it was the last week.
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Re: rollback?

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I dont know why, but when the rollback happened, I could research ALL the tech tree and it would work, i.e I researched and used unit scans (ran out of time to do much else), this is strange as I am a Free account.

Before you say it i wasnt upgraded, as I still had the "This is a free account" message at the top of the screen.
i thought that freebie accounts gained this, along with a load of other resources, when havoc started?

or didn't that happen yet?
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Re: rollback?

Since Vacation mode was disabled ~ 1 1/2 weeks before the end of the round, free accounts could also research the whole tech tree. Sorry this wasn't publicised more (it was stuck on www.planetarion.com, and i'm pretty sure it was linked to for most of the rest of the round on the motd)
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Re: rollback?

That would explain it tried looking around for the reason, but didnt want to ask, just in case it got taken away from me
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