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Unread 18 May 2006, 22:26   #201
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Unread 18 May 2006, 23:44   #202
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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and you base this statement on what 'inside' knowledge exactly??
The question is Mek, do I need insider knowledge to make that statement?
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Unread 18 May 2006, 23:53   #203
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

To make a judgement on this round the amount of insider knowledge required could probably fit on the back of a postage stamp.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 09:13   #204
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Posting anything is counter productive. It wouldn't matter what any of the 1up command said as people wouldn't alter thier views and we'd just get the whole '1up progagana crew' rubbish again. Getting into any sort of debate is just pointless and a waste of time so we'll carry on doing what we're doing and not giving a monkey's what everyone thinks until they provide some proper evidence which, as I'm sure you're aware, is sadly lacking at this juncture.
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Of course, he might not be posting because he has no interest
I'd like to clarify that I was not issuing any sort of challenge by pointing out Sid's silence on the subject. I was simplying putting an actual example to the 'credibility' statement.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 10:21   #205
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Yes our goal is to win every round. We haven't yet, hence we failed. No big deal, there can only be 1 winner and just because you don't win doesn't mean you played bad either.
Sorry to be the one to say this KJ as I do love Angels, but you need to stop aiming for the top spot AND you need to stop claiming thats what your going to do round after round, it's just a pipedream. Angels is a solid alliance yes but it is not a winning alliance in its current state, but why be so bothered about winning, the members obviously love Angels for a reason, you are doing something right to keep them.

All this aiming for #1 posts and so forth are getting you nowhere, Angels just looses its credability time and time again
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Unread 19 May 2006, 10:29   #206
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Is anyone who claims that 1up have many people out of tag and are level with or ahead of Omen able to provide any support for these claims? We can take this to PM if necessary, but I'd prefer something that could be discussed on AD. (Does anyone other than me find the whole coords thing to be somewhat backwards these days?)
This claim and conspiracy has me rather bewildered, if you approach it from a statistical p.o.v. say 1up had ~20 members out of tag, that would be 20 odd members they would need to drop from the tag which is around 25mill~. which leaves a 50mill~ gap between omen and 1up. Do 1up really have 20 top 50 planets out of tag that have gone unnoticed?

Obviously this logic is flawed in many areas, no need to point them out, im just discussing options.

Taking that into account i believe its rather impossible, even for 10 planets to go unnoticed and be so big, but hey maybe im wrong.

The only situation i can actually see viable for these theories to be true, is that 1up have several players hiding in other top alliances, which isnt all together impossible.

But when has PA ever been a 'viable' game
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Unread 19 May 2006, 11:24   #207
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Yes, I covered that:

I'd like to clarify that I was not issuing any sort of challenge by pointing out Sid's silence on the subject. I was simplying putting an actual example to the 'credibility' statement.
Sorry - I was agreeing with you. Obviously I didn't make that terribly clear.

Whats also interesting is how omen are, for the 4th time this week, up by more roids that the rest of the top 10 (non napped) have lost put together?

Omen +1760
ND -488
Insomnia -758 (minus one member)
F-Crew -302

Are they initiating again or is it indicative of them shifting members in and out of tag?

I wil be the first to admit that my statistical analysis is usually flawed so please enlighten me if it's something straightforward and simple that I'm missing
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Unread 19 May 2006, 11:49   #208
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Are they initiating again or is it indicative of them shifting members in and out of tag?
I think it's more likely that they attacked fat galaxies, which usually leads to those without (strong?) alliances being hurt most (ie losing most roids). Not only don't they have an alliance to back them, but they generally have worse fleets.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 11:57   #209
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

I would rather say that they attack rather small gals.

And they all just cap 50 roids a day.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 12:12   #210
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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I would rather say that they attack rather small gals.

And they all just cap 50 roids a day.
A small galaxy can be fat, just as a big galaxy can be a bad target. There is no contradiction in what I said and you did. I just didn't try to make a moral judgement about their targeting practices.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 12:18   #211
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Sorry - I was agreeing with you. Obviously I didn't make that terribly clear.

Whats also interesting is how omen are, for the 4th time this week, up by more roids that the rest of the top 10 (non napped) have lost put together?

Omen +1760
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Insomnia -758 (minus one member)
F-Crew -302

Are they initiating again or is it indicative of them shifting members in and out of tag?

I wil be the first to admit that my statistical analysis is usually flawed so please enlighten me if it's something straightforward and simple that I'm missing
I'm sure you're more than aware that on the road to losing those roids, NewDawn and Insomnia probably gained some too :| It's not like the only roids up for grabs are the ones lost in that listing.

.. Or maybe they've got them from the untagged super-planets!

Alki the planets they'd remove are scanners, they aren't average score. You certainly wouldn't need twenty untagged top fifty planets to go ahead of Omen! The score gap doesn't matter very much anyway, value does.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 12:22   #212
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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The score gap doesn't matter very much anyway, value does.
Yeah, it's all a question of being able to stay out of the spotlight until most of the planets are under the bashlimit. Oh wait, wrong round...
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Unread 19 May 2006, 12:54   #213
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Alki the planets they'd remove are scanners, they aren't average score. You certainly wouldn't need twenty untagged top fifty planets to go ahead of Omen! The score gap doesn't matter very much anyway, value does.
I know that hence the:

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Obviously this logic is flawed in many areas
but still the gap as it is, is 20mill~ dropping scanners will still drop there score a good couple of million, on a scale between 10-20 players, dropping upto that many will cause a bigger effect in drop of score as the planets will e getting larger from bottom upwards(duh). It is still alot of 'big planets' to go that unnoticed.

Even dropping 5 scanners for members, it is still an average of a 4mill~ planet and thats not including the drop from scanners score.

Dont get me wrong im not saying its impossible for them to be ahead at this point, that'd be rather silly, but still im just approaching it from the facts at hand, with no evidence to ack either side up.

On regards about the value, you are right value is all that matters, and if it is true that they hae just been roiding 'newbies' sitting on there roids and gaining value and no xp everyday, someone is going to have a helluva hard time, IF the war is brought to them:>
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Unread 19 May 2006, 14:04   #214
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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It is still alot of 'big planets' to go that unnoticed.
Well yeah, a lot of big planets have been noticed by NewDawn, Insomnia, Omen & Angels, planets which are none of theirs and have no defensive interactions with other tags. A lot, being more than enough to win the said alliance the round. Edit: I think I'm right in saying they can't fill 58ish 1up spots in their arbiter or have a load of scanners taking up the last ten or so spots too

Forgetting 'intel' about 1up galmates that don't defend outside of their galaxies and the like. The arbiters of those alliances show pretty good evidence and I'm sure they're all capable of finding out the odd bit of information from a member.. i'm not sure if it's even possible to waste your time any more than searching for evidence of tagless players being attributable to a tag.

Isn't this the same alliance that's competed damn hard for first place for six rounds in a row now. You really are wasting your time discussing 1up if you honestly think that after chucking out a lot of dead weight and taking on fresh blood they even could be all of a sudden going for a top ten place and nothing more. Give them some credit!

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Yeah, it's all a question of being able to stay out of the spotlight until most of the planets are under the bashlimit. Oh wait, wrong round...
Didn't that alliance have over half the top ten and the highest average tag score for most of the round? That's hardly staying out of the spotlight.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 14:11   #215
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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Isn't this the same alliance that's competed damn hard for first place for six rounds in a row now. You really are wasting your time discussing 1up if you honestly think that after chucking out a lot of dead weight and taking on fresh blood they even could be all of a sudden going for a top ten place and nothing more. Give them some credit!
Ah you see this is 'information' that I lack, I was merely discussing 'facts' from information I had at hand. Of course, im not a naive person I dont for one second consider them to not have something up there sleeves, but was merely working from what I had.
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Unread 19 May 2006, 15:25   #216
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

What astounds me is that everyone assume that 1up must have something up their sleeve.

Currently 1up have an advantage of about 150-250k in avg VALUE over all the other major alliances. hows about they're just biding their time to strike? theres not a single allaince that 1up can't take on currently. So maybe they dont have xx planets outside Tag? maybe they are trying a different strategy?

BTW aren't theres more interesting topic of convo?

like Omen about to run away with the round?
Angels dropping roids like flies?

So many interesting topics and the one we're focused on is ... Whats 1up up to?

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Would people please stop ending a post flame away. I am going to start hunting people down for this if it continues.









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Currently 1up have an advantage of about 150-250k in avg VALUE over all the other major alliances. hows about they're just biding their time to strike? theres not a single allaince that 1up can't take on currently.

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Omen about to run away with the round?

Sort of contradicting urself there? Claiming 1up can beat all but still somehow Omen are about to run away with the round?

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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

In this day and age, you have to take quantum superposition into account. While 1up are actually.. whatever rank they are, they're also first at the same time. Omen are first, second and last (the state that they're apparently possibly going to crumble like Phraktos and Absolute). Angels are 4th.
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Sort of contradicting urself there? Claiming 1up can beat all but still somehow Omen are about to run away with the round?

Presumably that's why he asked to be flamed
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Presumably that's why he asked to be flamed
I refrained from flaming though
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

Still waiting for mass shipjumping from alliances to jump to 1up when it's possible for them to get 80 members. Think it should be possible for them now tbh, so it looks like me that my paranoia about 1up doing everything to win were wrong
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Still waiting for mass shipjumping from alliances to jump to 1up when it's possible for them to get 80 members. Think it should be possible for them now tbh, so it looks like me that my paranoia about 1up doing everything to win were wrong
They would have been required to have 60 members in tag in order to have increased their limits. So, as far as I know, their limit is - should be - 60, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

Haven't been able to find the answer on that, but if your right that gives me even more respect for F-Crew.
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

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The alliance limit will be as follows:

Until tick 120 (5 days into the round), the maximum limit will be 60 planets.

After tick 120, those alliances not in the top 5 with 60 planets will be able to accept up to another 20 planets (80 planets total) at a rate of one a minimum of every max(1,14-$rank) ticks.
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

yeah. Game is flawed if they suddenly get 80.

Though doubt that will happen.
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Sort of contradicting urself there? Claiming 1up can beat all but still somehow Omen are about to run away with the round?

The first quote was me stating a fact the second quote was me suggesting some random topic wiht no basis in any fact but just opening the way for debate ... apologies for the confusion.

to add another fact 1up's roid count through intel gives them near 50 k in roids.
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

That doesn't happen. One at a time etc. You can't save the spots up
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Forgetting 'intel' about 1up galmates that don't defend outside of their galaxies and the like. The arbiters of those alliances show pretty good evidence and I'm sure they're all capable of finding out the odd bit of information from a member.. i'm not sure if it's even possible to waste your time any more than searching for evidence of tagless players being attributable to a tag.

Isn't this the same alliance that's competed damn hard for first place for six rounds in a row now. You really are wasting your time discussing 1up if you honestly think that after chucking out a lot of dead weight and taking on fresh blood they even could be all of a sudden going for a top ten place and nothing more. Give them some credit!
To me this is another evasive post on this thread without actually offering anything concrete. There seems to be no actual structure to it, infact it seems more of an attempt for people to believe this 'rumour' when it is quite possibly unfounded and you are asking to people to believe you because it's a 'waste of time' searching for people out of tag which is no reason at all.

To me if it was true, Omen would be hitting 1up like nobody's business because they want to win and if 1up were past them, it would be pointless not to do so as they'd have nothing to lose and the fact is if you want something in PA these days you've got to do yourself - I think Keizari recognises that. Omen's actions do not make sense. If they don't believe it (which by their actions, they clearly don't), I don't see why anyone else should. I'd suggest spending your time persuading Omen HC of the truth of it if I were you.

To me if this rumour is false and Omen are party to it, they're guilty of stagnating the round as to me the rumour serves nothing other than an agenda to divert fire and preserve the mind numbingly dull status quo so Omen can get their roids paid off.
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what ofc no one was expecting *hrhr* just happened

so this thread is kinda obsolete now
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It's surprising, actually. I thought that they'd wait until they had a bigger lead.
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It's surprising, actually. I thought that they'd wait until they had a bigger lead.
Due to being targetted slightly more (I'd imagine this would be the reason) I think they actually have a smaller lead now than they did a couple of weeks ago. Emphasis on think heh. Obviously this is different to say, last round as now their effective strength is increased due to being intag.
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What astounds me is that everyone assume that 1up must have something up their sleeve.

Currently 1up have an advantage of about 150-250k in avg VALUE over all the other major alliances. hows about they're just biding their time to strike? theres not a single allaince that 1up can't take on currently. So maybe they dont have xx planets outside Tag? maybe they are trying a different strategy?

BTW aren't theres more interesting topic of convo?

like Omen about to run away with the round?
Angels dropping roids like flies?

So many interesting topics and the one we're focused on is ... Whats 1up up to?

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Due to being targetted slightly more (I'd imagine this would be the reason) I think they actually have a smaller lead now than they did a couple of weeks ago. Emphasis on think heh. Obviously this is different to say, last round as now their effective strength is increased due to being intag.
They might not have put everyone inside the tag yet, only the ones who dont have massive massive massive saved res, or who ahve run out by self covering. Just no way to tell.
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Re: are 1 up playing this rd

All but one of our "proper" members are in the tag now. The one not in isn't one of our bigger members - it's someone who only just joined and is waiting out his 72 hour period.
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Shot down in an attempt to be clever, thanks sid
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Exellent work 1up.
Even if i wasnt playing the round, its been a good
show to observe from time to time from "outside"
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Omg, still don't understand how they did it. Thought it looked kinda fishy that 1up were as low in ranking aslong as they were in this round. Tbh, i hoped that this would be a round that 1up wouldn't win, but as it looks now i think this is 1up's best round ever. Atleast it looks if they win, it will be a victory that will be remembered for awhile.
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Tbh, i hoped that this would be a round that 1up wouldn't win, but as it looks now i think this is 1up's best round ever. Atleast it looks if they win, it will be a victory that will be remembered for awhile.
best round ever ? i would say r12 was the best round ever - followed from r11.

but of course that were the rounds where i was also a member :P.

but just by score/roid lead it was one of these 2 round - in my opinion.
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I think r11 was the best, cant do much better than doubling #2 ally's score and having avg score somewhere in top 100
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I think r11 was the best, cant do much better than doubling #2 ally's score and having avg score somewhere in top 100
round 12 were only 59 members - while the others had like 100 or so and "we" still managed to have nearly double average.
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I'd say Round 11 was 1up's best round in many ways, but this round should go down in history as one where they totally out-played everyone else.
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I think r11 was the best, cant do much better than doubling #2 ally's score and having avg score somewhere in top 100
Didn't play in round 11. Started playing in r13 again. The reason i said this it why i think it's their best round even, is because i like the way they made themself look like the big loosers for awhile in this round, and then just started climbing all the way to top 1. Not sure what you ppl think, but atleast to me they drained away the attention of being able to be #1 for awhile. Still thought they would do well later for some reasons, but never thought that they would have been this successful at it.
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well i cant say im that impressed by their tacics really its more how dissapointed i am at the rest of the playfield that got played like a bunch of noobs even after we (all) got decent info about them. so its not cudos to them its a troutslap to us for letting it happen :/
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its a troutslap to us for letting it happen :/
Isnt that how almost every alliance wins? they are rarely ever unstoppable, and most of the time, its how they interact with the other alliances that determines whether they are successful or not.

And thats not factoring in the fact that most of the time alliances need to co-operate with others to take down potential victors, and that brings its own problems into the mix, distrust being one thing, and then each alliance thats co-operating trying to get out of it better than the others, so they can increase there own shot at winning.

When all those factors are put into account, it is kudos to them, simply because they won not only because they kept themselves out of wars they couldnt win, and they cannot be blamed for the inability of their opposition to see past their own distrust of rival alliances and do what would be needed to be done to take them down.
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well i cant say im that impressed by their tacics really its more how dissapointed i am at the rest of the playfield that got played like a bunch of noobs even after we (all) got decent info about them. so its not cudos to them its a troutslap to us for letting it happen :/
Thats actually why i think it's their best round ever.
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Thats actually why i think it's their best round ever.
oh far from it, its more a case of 'been there done that'.

Ask Sid yourself he will tell you, this is the worst victory 1up has had of all of them
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So he already admit that they won this round?
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seems to be obvious with none of the other contenders daring to try and stop them (and ofc the typical planet nap - help save my own rank - actions ain't helping that either), it must be getting boring for the 1up members i bet :-).
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and thats why i laugh my ass off when some pa player/hc says how competent they are compared to other games. before r13 this game had the same winner and alliances didnt do shit about it.

this round is another example, grow balls and try to achieve more then fighting for #2/#3/#99

thats my conclusion: 1up isnt unbeatable, the competition just sux ass
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