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hAl · 23 Jan 2003, 11:07

With Zeus gone who will be the one who gets the job ?

hAl

Galaxian · 23 Jan 2003, 11:13

Makes no difference. They'll catch a few high-profile multies, plus maybe a few multi-wanna-be's who are daft enough not to do it properly, but the vast and silent majority of multies will still go undetected as usual.

Glatze · 23 Jan 2003, 11:15

Like if Zeus did it.

JC · 23 Jan 2003, 11:32

Prince?

ParraCida · 23 Jan 2003, 12:07

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Originally posted by JC
Prince?

SilverSmoke · 23 Jan 2003, 12:11

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Originally posted by Glatze
Like if Zeus did it.

Lord_Thunderball · 23 Jan 2003, 12:42

Indeed, i can name to much people doing it. I won't say i'm the most decent boyz, but i will never make more then 1 account. Can't there be a multidetection team or something?

Btw SilverSmoke you are here to often lately, join IRC

Btw Glatze, where are you m8....

ParraCida · 23 Jan 2003, 12:43

Actually I can testify to the fact that Zeus closed many multies in round 7.

/me waves at fang

SilverSmoke · 23 Jan 2003, 12:44

luckily (somehow) I am not able to get on IRC during work.

Bashar · 23 Jan 2003, 12:49

Zeus is being replaced by Prince, this means that all the responsibilities and jobs that Zeus had have now been passed onto Prince.

hAl · 23 Jan 2003, 14:21

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Originally posted by ParraCida
Actually I can testify to the fact that Zeus closed many multies in round 7.

/me waves at fang

Those incident were accountsharing and most closed weren't even FAnG...

Glatze · 23 Jan 2003, 14:21

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Originally posted by Lord_Thunderball

Btw Glatze, where are you m8....

Behind my PC

Lan · 23 Jan 2003, 16:20

great to not see that zeus is doing this job any more. i must really say he dident do a god job when it come to that.

gl prince

Rinoa · 23 Jan 2003, 17:25

Technology has the job, we are but mere peons

Cochese · 23 Jan 2003, 18:10

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Originally posted by Bashar
Zeus is being replaced by Prince, this means that all the responsibilities and jobs that Zeus had have now been passed onto Prince.

You're kidding, right

mens · 23 Jan 2003, 18:40

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Originally posted by Glatze
Behind my PC

Behind it?
Are you hiding?
Or just checking out the I/O ports and cables?
Dustbusting maybe?

Hicks · 23 Jan 2003, 18:51

Who the hell is Prince ? What's his background etc ?

Cochese · 23 Jan 2003, 18:54

I remember him coming onboard during my modding days, but for what reason I don't recall...I think he had something to do with the portal or AH or somesuch...

How he qualifies to replace Zeus is beyond me, as I simply don't see it.

Tactitus · 23 Jan 2003, 21:16

I believe Prince was in charge of--or working on--the manual at one point. I vaguely recall him asking me to review the manual once. His changes seemed to consist of giving the manual different "skins" depending on which race you were. I think my comment was something along the lines of, 'But... but... you haven't changed any of the content...'

I think he may also have been responsible for rendering the manual navigation unusable from any browser available under Mac OS, which turned out to be one of many final straws for me not to play R7 and to resign as moderator from the Strategy forum. I guess I owe him a small debt of gratitude for that, at least.

Clearly, he was due for a promotion.

Bashar · 23 Jan 2003, 21:22

No Cochese, I am not kidding, Prince is Zeus' replacement, which I personally didn't find in the least bit surprising, though I am not going to state my views on the matter in public

Prince was in charge of the manual for a few rounds, as far as other responsibilities go, I am not sure what else he did, I think he did have another job at one point, but I can't remember what it was off the top of my head.

Oh, and I don't think qualifications had anything to do with his appointment. I think it was down to other things - such as "dedication, commitment and loyalty". I don't think there can be any doubt that he is loyal.

23 Jan 2003, 21:29

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Originally posted by Bashar
Oh, and I don't think qualifications had anything to do with his appointment. I think it was down to other things - such as "dedication, commitment and loyalty". I don't think there can be any doubt that he is loyal.

loyalties aside, not a lot of people have heard of him. From what I read here, most don't even like Prince.
Why has he been made the community manager?

Bashar · 23 Jan 2003, 21:36

I suspect most people do know who he is, but just haven't realised - I think for a while he asked the questions at creators hour for example. The creators know him, and they are the ones who give the jobs, so I would assume that there is a reason for it.

As for how much he is liked, I cannot really gauge that myself, so I wouldn't like to say he should/shouldn't be community manager on that alone.

The fact though is he is, and so I would assume he is going to do his best to improve the community, and get it larger and a little more friendly.

Cochese · 23 Jan 2003, 21:42

I have no doubt about his loyalites, but it's his competance and capabilities in community-related affairs that worries me.

There are, undoubtedly, far more qualified candidates.

Bashar · 23 Jan 2003, 21:55

I wouldn't know if he CAN do the job as I haven't seen him try yet. To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what he is capable of, s I will have to wait and see :-)

23 Jan 2003, 22:00

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Originally posted by Bashar
I wouldn't know if he CAN do the job as I haven't seen him try yet. To be perfectly honest, I have no idea what he is capable of, s I will have to wait and see :-)

At least Zeus was 'talkative' during the long waits..

Cochese · 23 Jan 2003, 22:01

The idea should be to replace Zeus with someone MORE competant, not someone LESS competant.

24 Jan 2003, 02:09

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Originally posted by Cochese
The idea should be to replace Zeus with someone MORE competant, not someone LESS competant.

and who would that be exactly...you?

Cochese · 24 Jan 2003, 02:30

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Originally posted by logamus
and who would that be exactly...you?

Am I the only person around here more competant than Zeus?

Hardly.

I don't care who they replace Prince with, so long as it's someone with an honest passion to help the game/community...not someone in it for the status and/or power.

Everything I've heard so far points in that direction, which is not good.

aza1 · 24 Jan 2003, 03:01

i always thought Zues was rather competent. (multi-hunting etc aside)

24 Jan 2003, 03:14

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Originally posted by Synthetic_Sid
Just guessing btw

No first-hand experience

liar

RooKie · 24 Jan 2003, 04:23

About multihunting, Spinner was to my knowledge the one who handled most of those, apsecially the deleting top planets.

If its true that Prince has been hired as Community Director (actually Oreo´s old job), then I am really disapointed both in how they handled it and the person they chose.

Glatze · 24 Jan 2003, 07:41

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Originally posted by mens
Behind it?
Are you hiding?
Or just checking out the I/O ports and cables?
Dustbusting maybe?

'Denglish'

Teh_Necro · 24 Jan 2003, 14:17

How about offering some encouragement? Or does this not happen nemore?

Winge, Winge and more Wingeing.

Guys come on, im sure we all have our doubts but we really shouldn't start complaining untill prince has had atleat a few weeks of showing us what he has too offer.

-Necro

Bashar · 24 Jan 2003, 14:44

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Originally posted by RooKie
About multihunting, Spinner was to my knowledge the one who handled most of those, apsecially the deleting top planets.

If its true that Prince has been hired as Community Director (actually Oreo´s old job), then I am really disapointed both in how they handled it and the person they chose.

Actually - Zeus did the multi-hunting, not Spinner, and Zeus was the community director, not Oreo. Oreo's job was support.

Prince is actually replacing Oreo too, he is responsible for not only Zeus' job, but for dealing with the p2p side of things, and the general game support.

davidb · 24 Jan 2003, 15:51

i remember prince from Round6 and he seemed a nice chap,
i think the only way to find out if he is good or not is to give him a chance and not start jumping on his back fs.
if he is no good then im sure he would be replaced but i think he desevers a chance dont you ?

Heartshunter · 24 Jan 2003, 17:06

It has always amazed me how he got into the position where he is now.

I know Prince from the MI times, where he later was a jr HC and got booted by us cause of his powermongish behaviour and inactivity. He 'impressed' me back then by the 'contacts' he had, guess that never changed.

Cochese · 24 Jan 2003, 17:48

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Originally posted by Heartshunter
It has always amazed me how he got into the position where he is now.

I know Prince from the MI times, where he later was a jr HC and got booted by us cause of his powermongish behaviour and inactivity. He 'impressed' me back then by the 'contacts' he had, guess that never changed.

Case and point.

This is why I'm against Prince...he isn't in it for the right reasons, but rather, his ability to kiss ass and idle on irc.

Do a search on the forums and see how many posts he's made.

Not many for a 'Community Director'.

RooKie · 24 Jan 2003, 17:58

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Originally posted by Bashar
Actually - Zeus did the multi-hunting, not Spinner, and Zeus was the community director, not Oreo. Oreo's job was support.

Prince is actually replacing Oreo too, he is responsible for not only Zeus' job, but for dealing with the p2p side of things, and the general game support.

I know zeus had it after, but it was Oreos old job if his position is Community Director.

Spinner did multihunting, I was many times in his office when he did it. And he was responsible for closing top planets, atleast thats what Christian and Espen told me.

Dr_Zaius · 24 Jan 2003, 18:08

Maybe the PA team should elect some people who just want to help out to hunt the multies for them? Just a suggestion but a few trusted volunteers wouldn't be a waste of time in fighting the problem!

RooKie · 24 Jan 2003, 18:24

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Originally posted by Dr_Zaius
Maybe the PA team should elect some people who just want to help out to hunt the multies for them? Just a suggestion but a few trusted volunteers wouldn't be a waste of time in fighting the problem!

previously only creators have been allowed as the tool they use is easy to abouse...

/me inserts 3000 roids \o/

24 Jan 2003, 18:45

Bashar · 24 Jan 2003, 18:55

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Originally posted by Dr_Zaius
Maybe the PA team should elect some people who just want to help out to hunt the multies for them? Just a suggestion but a few trusted volunteers wouldn't be a waste of time in fighting the problem!

From what I have seen of PA team this is a rather bad idea

For a start, as soon as something like that was introdued, all the usual power/status mad people would start scrambling to get whatever scraps of power/status they could out of it.

That is the whole problem with PA team. Too many people there for entirely the wrong reasons, and I personally would not want such people doing the multi-hunting.

Howling · 24 Jan 2003, 22:53

Lets give him a go b4 we bag him eh.

We can hang him later.

Good luck prince: D

Teh_Necro · 24 Jan 2003, 22:57

One thing that does worry me.

A) Why was the community not informed of the replacement via an announcement and

B) Why didn't the community given the oppotunity to at least put forward names for a community director, their designed to work with us as well as the creators, surley it makes sense that we have a say?

-Necro

Bashar · 24 Jan 2003, 23:08

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Originally posted by Teh_Necro
One thing that does worry me.

A) Why was the community not informed of the replacement via an announcement and

B) Why didn't the community given the oppotunity to at least put forward names for a community director, their designed to work with us as well as the creators, surley it makes sense that we have a say?

-Necro

on part a, I don't know the answer, I was told by Zeus that Prince was replacing him, and I do think that an announcement should have been made.

on b though, this is not a practical idea. Bearing in mind that it is a case of that person being employed, I find it a little difficult to believe that it is reasonable to expect this. I can't think of any other company that selects its employees by asking its customers. It is the employers choice, and so it should be, the employer pays a person to do a job for them, so the decision is purely theirs, as they select a person suitable to do the job they want doing. Although the community would probably have appreciated being asked "this is who we have in mind, do you have any serious objections?".

Scaggydo · 24 Jan 2003, 23:19

indeed, we are talking about appointing someone into an actual Job with a wage, boss and responsibility. we are not talking about the community voting who should idle in #planetarion and do CH once a week..

would be lunacy if we had actually voted for a paid position in a company with other things on its mind that "is Prince a popular choice with the community"

besides, we would of taken the piss and nominated tits like Idimmu or Teh_Necro.

heh.

A2 · 25 Jan 2003, 03:13

Point 'a' - the "where did Prince spring from?" part:
When he was made a creator, if you paid any attention to the CH logs for the first couple of weeks you'd have learnt what the creators were each responsible for.
Spinner, Fudge & Kloopy - coding
Zeus - community
Prince - a kind of "mini-Zeus"
When Zeus left it was only natural for the next person down the community side of the chain to take charge, and all the other creators would be busy with coding stuff to take the role on full-time.

on Point 'b':
Don't forget that this is a paid position, and as such it's not something that should be up for the vote. The creators at the time clearly made a decision that they felt was justified in appointing Prince to that position. You would not expect your most companies to vote on everyone who was appointed as a manager. It simply isn't practical.
Don't destroy him before he's had a chance to prove himself, but at the same time don't go soft on Prince or any of the other creators simply because they're new.

Jester · 25 Jan 2003, 03:17

Ok, let's be completely honest for a moment people. Who the **** was surprised that they put some incompetent bastard in charge of a field that has never been properly arbitrated?

Anyone? Anyone?

Jester

Cochese · 25 Jan 2003, 03:19

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Originally posted by A2
Don't forget that this is a paid position, and as such it's not something that should be up for the vote. The creators at the time clearly made a decision that they felt was justified in appointing Prince to that position. You would not expect your most companies to vote on everyone who was appointed as a manager. It simply isn't practical.

Therein lies the concern.

From everything I've heard so far, no one has any faith in Prince, nor do they believe he is in any way the "right" person for the job.

I wouldn't be so staunchly opposed to him unless there was a genuine reason, believe me.

You don't see me hassling Kloopy, do you?

Judge · 25 Jan 2003, 05:32

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Originally posted by Cochese
Therein lies the concern.

From everything I've heard so far, no one has any faith in Prince, nor do they believe he is in any way the "right" person for the job.

I wouldn't be so staunchly opposed to him unless there was a genuine reason, believe me.

You don't see me hassling Kloopy, do you?

Let me get this straight?

Prince is an Employee of the company and was appointed on the basis of his experience, his referances and no doubt his abiltiy.

Yet on the basis of the odd interaction on an IRC network, and some comments on an internet forum, you feel able to pass better judgement on him than his employers?

Perhaps you would be happy for your employer (or future employer) to base your suitability for a position on the inflated opinion of someone who has never met you, interviewed you or even had a valid conversation with?

Nice going Cochese