Sarah Palin

[dda]

I like her.

Not bad looking for a poitician.

Not bad looking for a mother of 5.

I like the idea that she took out three of the top Republicans in her home state on corruption charges.

I like that she gave $50 million of federal money back to Washington which had been approved to build a bridge in Alaska to an island with 26 residents. She told the Feds that if Alaska wanted a bridge built they would do so themselves.

I like that she started a SAVINGS account for EXCESS funds produced by taxes.

I like that she cut taxes.

I like that she sent money back to the taxpayers rather than spending up to the limit, or beyond, of government revenue.

I like that her mom and dad had to be interrupted, while they were caribou hunting, in order to be informed that their daughter was going to be nominated for vice president.

I like that she isn't Joe Biden.

In fact, I would be okay with the idea of her being the head of the ticket and McCain running for vice-president.

[Yahwe]

See THAT is the problem with the republicans.

WHY isn't she heading the ticket?

Vote Obama and hope to god she is Republican front runner next time round. Better than voting in a Bush clone and ruining her future with the "Vice President to a non-entity" label

[dda]

The country would have to survive an Obama presidency. Something I am truely apprehensive about.

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally Posted by dda

The country would have to survive an Obama presidency. Something I am truely apprehensive about.

8 more years with the republicans and the US will be broke

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov

8 more years with the republicans and the US will be broke

don't smile you spastic

if they're broke we are all broke

which means no more free money for you to carry on pretending you are somehow special

[Yahwe]

Ah yes'm

Can't have no n***** in charge

What'll happen to the cotton harvest


FOR GOODNESS SAKE a country which survived Bush can survive anything. Bush would have destroyed my little nation, he almost did. Give the intelligent charming guy a chance

[horn]

Originally Posted by dda

I like her. [...]

guess who else likes her. the oil lobby.
guess who doesn't. polar bears.

guess who else likes her. the bible.
guess who doesn't. people who don't think homosexuals are immoral.

guess who else likes her. clusters of stem cells in a uterus who are planning what to do in life once they become sentient.
guess who doesn't. rational thinking human beings who don't like the idea of slow painful deaths for themselves and the people they love.

Originally Posted by Yahwe

See THAT is the problem with the republicans.

WHY isn't she heading the ticket?

yes, this is the problem with the republicans. being a pseudo democratic political front for the military industrial complex is one other problem that could come close i guess.

[Mzyxptlk]

Thank goodness for the democrats.

[horn]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

Thank goodness for the democrats.

i'm not suggesting the democrats are fielding someone who isn't a bought out faggot, or that they're in anyway a decent political party. but if you plan on voting for either democrat of republican then you should be voting democrat.

[Baron Morte]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

Thank goodness for the democrats.

now heres a master of persuation

[Tactitus]

She's a new face, which the Republicans need. Beyond that, there's an only moderate resume and her gender. I hope she wasn't picked to try to woo the disaffected Hillary voters; Republicans should leave the identity politics to the Democrats--frankly, they're better at it.

I thought McCain should have picked Pawlenty, as it would have helped put Minnesota into play; but I suppose I'm biased on that score.

Palin's better than Slow Joe Biden certainly, but that's a low bar.

Maybe she will bring some excitement to the McCain campaign. I think he could use it (even though he seems to be doing pretty well so far).




Note: Downtown St. Paul is full of Republicans, police and protesters this week. Lots of colorful costumes but traffic is a mess. :/

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by Tactitus

She's a new face, which the Republicans need. Beyond that, there's an only moderate resume and her gender. I hope she wasn't picked to try to woo the disaffected Hillary voters; Republicans should leave the identity politics to the Democrats--frankly, they're better at it.

Well, im sure that every voter that voted for Clinton voted for a vagina, not pro choice, anti war etc.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Well, im sure that every voter that voted for Clinton voted for a vagina, not pro choice, anti war etc.

Two truths can co-exist

1) The republican party picked a woman (any woman with frankly no screening - helloooo unforeseen incidents of her past) believing this would gain the votes of floaters who were pro-hillary

2) Those voters didn't actually support hillary just because she was a woman

Politicians you see have their very own logic (and Americans are rather prone to it); I shall let Sir Humphrey explain how they think:

"Cats have four legs. My dog has four legs. Therefore my dog is a cat"

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

Those voters didn't actually support hillary just because she was a woman

Uh huh. Just like 90% plus of the black community didn't support Obama simply because he was black.

Let's take a trip to reality here. Most minorities are so culturally and psycholgically ****ed because of their thousands of years worth of repression that a good number of them would vote for Hitler as long as he had a vagina, took it up the arse, or talked in street.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Uh huh. Just like 90% plus of the black community didn't support Obama simply because he was black.

Let's take a trip to reality here. Most minorities are so culturally and psycholgically ****ed because of their thousands of years worth of repression that a good number of them would vote for Hitler as long as he had a vagina, took it up the arse, or talked in street.

You have your own particular brand of neo-sexism I see

[horn]

Originally Posted by Tactitus

I hope she wasn't picked to try to woo the disaffected Hillary voters

i hope no one seriously thinks it wasn't the main reason why they picked her.

[G.K Zhukov]

"Journalists descended on Alaska on Saturday and uncovered further details. Contrary to Palin's claim that she had opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, the Alaskan bridge that cost millions but only links to a small community and is cited by McCain as a symbol of wastefulness, she had initially supported it."

From The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...publicans20082

[dda]

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov

"Journalists descended on Alaska on Saturday and uncovered further details. Contrary to Palin's claim that she had opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, the Alaskan bridge that cost millions but only links to a small community and is cited by McCain as a symbol of wastefulness, she had initially supported it."

From The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...publicans20082

I at one time thought about going to Norway, finding Zhukov and smothering him in his sleep. I later changed my mind.

That doesn't mean that I didn't come down on the right side of the issure. After all, with the Euro up against the dollar the trip would have been ruinously expensive.

[furball]

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov

"Journalists descended on Alaska on Saturday and uncovered further details. Contrary to Palin's claim that she had opposed the Bridge to Nowhere, the Alaskan bridge that cost millions but only links to a small community and is cited by McCain as a symbol of wastefulness, she had initially supported it."

From The Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...publicans20082

She may have chosen to oppose the Bridge (for political reasons) but she's more than happy to keep the money.

Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans
Critics: Palin used 'Bridge to Nowhere' for gain

On the general subject of Palin, she's clearly been picked to target disenchanted Hillary voters. However, given that she's the anti-feminist incarnate, it's not going to work. For christs sake she's anti-abortion (even in the case of rape/incest), anti-stem cell research (that'll please Nancy Reagan...) and a creationist to boot.


It's not going to work. Initial polls show that women voters are turned off by Palin as soon as they learn of her positions on abortion and stem-cell research. I don't believe that she will improve as the campaign goes on, but her speech at the RNC tonight will make or break her.

[G.K Zhukov]

Not to mention the heartattack you would have when you saw how the real first world looked like

[dda]

Are we talking Norway or the New Soviet Russia?

[G.K Zhukov]

Norway, but Soviet Norway would surely be fine too.

But regarding your support for Mr. McCain; why do you want to vote for a guy who doesnt have ANY plan on how to make the us economy competive and solve some very fundamental problems in the country (like lack of health care, using money on wars that has to be borrowed from the chinese central bank etc) ?

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov

Norway, but Soviet Norway would surely be fine too.

But regarding your support for Mr. McCain; why do you want to vote for a guy who doesnt have ANY plan on how to make the us economy competive and solve some very fundamental problems in the country (like lack of health care, using money on wars that has to be borrowed from the chinese central bank etc) ?

Much as I singularly adore dda he has said he is a republican.

It should come as no surprise that he would vote for a post box provided it had the republican nomination. Ditto Tacitus.

Indeed ditto democrats in America.

Politics only works when voters actually express a preference rather than follow the party. Their own thomas jefferson knew this but was unable to effect change. At least in Britain we all lie about who we voted for ...

EDIT: There is a monty python line I feel is apt "I'm a Roman Catholic and have been since before I was born" insert and interchange Democrat/Republican and you get to see the truth about American politics

[dda]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

Much as I singularly adore dda he has said he is a republican.

It should come as no surprise that he would vote for a post box provided it had the republican nomination. Ditto Tacitus.

Indeed ditto democrats in America.

Politics only works when voters actually express a preference rather than follow the party. Their own thomas jefferson knew this but was unable to effect change. At least in Britain we all lie about who we voted for ...

EDIT: There is a monty python line I feel is apt "I'm a Roman Catholic and have been since before I was born" insert and interchange Democrat/Republican and you get to see the truth about American politics

Interestingly, at least to me, my voting history, as well as my party affiliation would seem to belie such a conclusion.

I was first able to vote in 1967. I registered as a Republican. Both of my parents were Democrats, at least one grandparent was a registered Socialist.

I registered Republican because there was a moderate Senator from California named Clare Engle who was being opposed in the Republican primary by an extremely conservative individual named Max Rafferty. I wanted to support the moderate against the conservative. I was unsuccessful. I then voted for Cranston the Democrat in the general election, he won.

Before I was old enough to register to vote, Ronald Regan was the Governor of California. I was going to college in Sacramento. It was announced that he was going to move out of the Governor's Mansion and into a large house about a mile from the dorm I was living in. My room mate and I, decided to walk over to see what this house looked like before he moved in and had guards on the place. We decided to express our political disagreement with Mr. Regan so we pissed on his lawn. Satisfying on many levels.

Later, I reregistered as a Democrat and voted for Humphrey (D) in '68 and even voted for McGovern (D) in "72. I voted for Ford (R) in '76. I voted against Regan (R) in both '80 and '84. In '88 I voted for Dukakis (D). '92 I voted for Ross Perot (I) as a protest. '96 I voted Nadar (GP) as another protest. I then voted for Bush twice and still like him despite his flaws. I will vote for McCain although I don't like him much. I do like Palin and think she would do a good job as president, there are several precedents in American history for inexperienced individuals making good presidents and an equal number of examples of experience individuals making bad presidents.

I vote for Dianne Finestein (D) for senator but would rather loose an arm than vote for Barbara Boxer (D) for the other senator.

Barak Obama will not get my vote because he is just another politician who has shown no principal what-so-ever to this point. If expounding platitudes is brilliance then he is brilliant.

[horn]

Originally Posted by dda

Barak Obama will not get my vote because he is just another politician who has shown no principal what-so-ever to this point. If expounding platitudes is brilliance then he is brilliant.

fair enough. why are you voting for mccain though?

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by dda

I do like Palin and think she would do a good job as president

I'm reassured by the fact that you live in California.

[dda]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

Much as I singularly adore dda he has said he is a republican.

It should come as no surprise that he would vote for a post box provided it had the republican nomination. Ditto Tacitus.

Indeed ditto democrats in America.

Politics only works when voters actually express a preference rather than follow the party. Their own thomas jefferson knew this but was unable to effect change. At least in Britain we all lie about who we voted for ...

EDIT: There is a monty python line I feel is apt "I'm a Roman Catholic and have been since before I was born" insert and interchange Democrat/Republican and you get to see the truth about American politics

I have registered Republican and Democrat at various times in my life. I have voted Democrat more often than I have voted Republican.

I am genuinely apprehensive about a person with little executive experience taking control of my government. Especially one who has consistently expressed opinions which would indicate that he favors massively larger government at the federal level. Not a good idea in my opinion.

I voted for McCain, not because I liked his ideas, I didn't. However, I found them far less worrisome than I find Obama's.

I am an American, and I am proud to be one. I will genuinely root for Obama to prove me wrong and be the best president ever. He has not done anything so far in his appointments or iterated plans to give me cause for celebration.

We shall see what we shall see.

[G.K Zhukov]

I'm aware of that yahwe. But since he isnt a redneck-hillbilly-new born-evangelist-from-the-mid west, but a man with education, I expect him to be able to tell us why he plans to vote for Mr. McCain.

[Kargool]

Fox News also bragged about Palin's foreign expirience, after all she ran a State in the USA, that ALMOST borders Russia.

[All Systems Go]

The Democrats ran on a 'history in the making' ticket with a black man and a woman. Palin is the Republicans answer to that. Just as The democrat nominee is an old white man to appeal to more traditionalist voters.

[Gate]

I've not followed the race too closely, so forgive my retardedness.

I really don't like what I've seen of Palin's policies. I'm doing a science, so her opposition to sensible environmental policies totally rubs me the wrong way. I was kind of fond of McCain (he seemed a little more genuine/sensible than most politicians. Particularly republicans).

Palin has made me root for Obama & that old guy though.

[lokken]

I think Palin has given the republicans a chance, but while her speech was punchy and politically effective last week I thought that a lot of what she said was a load of rubbish to be honest.

Looking at her positions on almost everything, she's a million miles away from 'change' (whatever change now is) and she seems to be someone who wants to impose her views on other people or they get cast aside. If the constitution couldn't let her do what she wanted, she'd do everything to change it. And most important of all, she reminds me of Kyle's mom from South Park every time she opens her mouth.

So in summary, I think you Americans would do well to steer well clear and not chance this Palin character becoming president if McCain pops his clogs. I think Obama is pretty right wing anyway and he seems to respect people's rights. He'd be a good prudent choice: it will get worse before it gets better for him as president but I think even he realises that. I think he has better ideas than McCain, but that's offtopic.

[ParraCida]

Sarah Palin is a desperation bid. Fact is a run of the mill random republican would have lost the election for McCain. Sarah Palin is simply a breath of fresh air. I mean, don't get me wrong, she still has all the hypocrite attributes that accompany your run of the mill republican - against teenage sex (hi daughter), against the bridge after she was for it, taking down republicans for corruption yet still under investigation for some fun activities of her own - but she has all those with some extra star quality.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...lin%27s-Choice

[dda]

Originally Posted by ParraCida

Sarah Palin is a desperation bid. Fact is a run of the mill random republican would have lost the election for McCain. Sarah Palin is simply a breath of fresh air. I mean, don't get me wrong, she still has all the hypocrite attributes that accompany your run of the mill republican - against teenage sex (hi daughter), against the bridge after she was for it, taking down republicans for corruption yet still under investigation for some fun activities of her own - but she has all those with some extra star quality.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...lin%27s-Choice

Palin is not a run of the mill politician. She was forced to run under a run of the mill politician.

I fail to understand how the actions of her daughter make Ms. Palin a hypocrite. Unless she was having sex with her daughter or throwing orgies for her daughters birthday.

I careful look at the facts will show that the Governor of Alaska didn't support the bridge. She waited until the expenditure was explained to her and then turned down the money.

As to her "fun activitiers" run of the mill politiciaqns accused her of using her office for personal advantage. Some of her enemies in the state legislature decided to do a legislative investigation although an investigation by the state agency in charge of such things was already looking in to it. Before doing a single thing the head of the legislative committee announced that they would have devastating information on Palin to be released just before the election.

The State Personel Board conducted a thorough investigation and did not find any inappropriate activity on Palin's part.

The, highly pro-Obama media reported those things which they deemed newsworthy in a manner they deemed helpful.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by dda

The State Personel Board conducted a thorough investigation and did not find any inappropriate activity on Palin's part.

Governer-appointed board clears governer of wrongdoing, cont. p87

There are many things wrong with the woman, but lets just leave it at the fact that she is anti-intellectual, nepotistic, arrogant, hypocritical and thankfully not going to have a chance to run for the senate in the immediate future as Ted Stevens lost.

Originally Posted by dda

I stayed a Republican when I figured out that the real threat to freedom in the United States was coming from the left and not from the right.

Given that the right is doing very very well at supressing freedom in the United States you appear to have been rather bamboozled.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

and thankfully not going to have a chance to run for the senate in the immediate future as Ted Stevens lost.

I seriously doubt Palin would run for the Senate - it would interfere too much with her brand image. There's more capital in staying as Governor. IIRC she turned down the chance to run for the Senate on a previous occassion anyway.

[G.K Zhukov]

Didnt know you were still alive, ParraCida

[ParraCida]

and kicking

[G.K Zhukov]

posting here is hardly considered proof of that

[Snurx]

Anybody who thinks that the American elections* are won on political stances, is either stupid, a idiot or just simply ignorant.


*This is just not American elections by the way, most western leaders are elected by mislead (and sadly pretty stupid) masses.

Scottish National Party.

Bunch of ****s.

[Mighteh]

while being a nice show of "how not-so-conservative" republican ticket is, Cuda Palin is pretty much the exact opposite of most things Clinton is standing for. I doubt that SP will truly affect masses of female population, as long as they're not the "im gona vote for a woman. Finally!" kinda female population. Thankfully there aint THAT many of the latter, and, hopefully, they will get lost on the way to the voting booth and have to suck cock for directions.

Obama is your standard democratic pretty-boy (i said it, he is no different) who has been thought how to talk well. Even if, in my opinion, Joey Biden strengthens his ticket, there is a major concern about the gap between promises to accomplish shit and prior achievements, which aren't many in numbers.

Personally, i voted in primaries. I'm soo skipping general election this year...

[Marilyn Manson]

'Old man in a hurry'

McCain knew that he couldn't win if he picked Romney or someone similarly dull and rich and who he agreed with, so he picked someone purely for their election winning potential. Someone who disagrees with McCain on a good number of the issues. Someone who has a good chance of becoming President in the next few years. Someone who is batshit insane. Someone who McCain himself almost certainly believes is not cut out to be President, now or ever.

My bet is we'll be in a war with most of Asia in ten years time and the federal government will be denying the existence of physics and teh gays.

[Yahwe]

As I watch this latest (and one would normally add 'inconceivable' apart from the fact that I no longer even attempt to imagine the depths of american lunacy) insanity develop, I am coming close to one terrible statement:

Oh my god they are going to win

Watching the way America behaves from the outside world is like wiggling a loose tooth as a child. You know it's wrong and it definitely will hurt in the long run, but somehow it is irresistable.

Despite all logic saying that the vice president choice can not ever positively effect the ticket (convention says it can negatively effect it) John McReallyquitecharmingbutclearlysounconectedwithrealitycain is actually going to win.

Not because of him. But because of the most abhorent vice presidential candidate in history, basically BUSH WITH BOOBS

And in that terrible feeling of slowly watching a car crash you just KNOW that he will die in office and that america will have her as president. The whole world will have her as president.

I feel as though come november britain's best policy would just be to pull the covers over our heads, stay in bed until 2012 and calmly put on our answer phones that we aren't here but please leave a message.

[Alessio]

I love how her daughter is pregnant, and is going to have a bastard child

I love how she'd rather go to work then spend time with her newborn retarded baby

I love how she claims that the Iraqi war is a devine mission from god

I love how she raised taxes on oil company profits for her own states benefit, which simply got calculated in with the oil price, taxing the other states

I love how her state received more federal money then they paid in taxes

I love how she was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party

I love how she "employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor"

I love how Palin kept claiming state allowance for her travel expenses for several years, while staying at home.

[dda]

Originally Posted by Alessio

I love how her daughter is pregnant, and is going to have a bastard child

I love how she'd rather go to work then spend time with her newborn retarded baby

I love how she claims that the Iraqi war is a devine mission from god

I love how she raised taxes on oil company profits for her own states benefit, which simply got calculated in with the oil price, taxing the other states

I love how her state received more federal money then they paid in taxes

I love how she was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party

I love how she "employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor"

I love how Palin kept claiming state allowance for her travel expenses for several years, while staying at home.

I love how you have zero contact with reality or facts.

[Deepflow]

I'd do her.

She wouldn't like it.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Deepflow

She wouldn't like it.

All part of the fantasy, surely?

[Alessio]

On Dutch political tests I always end up in the far right corner. But when taking American political tests I tend to end up in the middle. With the last few I did I ended up exactly in the middle, with exactly the same amount in common with both parties.

In my opinon it should be the governments prime concern that healthcare and education is accessible to everyone. And the USA still has to cover a lot of ground in this area. And I'm not in favour of very restricting civil rights either, so I cannot agree with the Republicans on issues such as abortion and gayrights.

However, Obama's views on the illegal migration, Kyoto, import tariff s and the sudden retreat out of Iraq do not appear to be in the interest of the United States. So I cannot fully agree with him either.

So when taking American political tests I always end up as a centralist.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Alessio

On Dutch political tests I always end up in the far right corner. But when taking American political tests I tend to end up in the middle. With the last few I did I ended up exactly in the middle, with exactly the same amount in common with both parties.

In my opinon it should be the governments prime concern that healthcare and education is accessible to everyone. And the USA still has to cover a lot of ground in this area. And I'm not in favour of very restricting civil rights either, so I cannot agree with the Republicans on issues such as abortion and gayrights.

However, Obama's views on the illegal migration, Kyoto, import tariff s and the sudden retreat out of Iraq do not appear to be in the interest of the United States. So I cannot fully agree with him either.

So when taking American political tests I always end up as a centralist.

well thank goodness that you aren't an idiot with an overly infated sense of self importance