Hi..!! I've registered because of problem..

Hi..Guys...!!!

This is my first post on Yours site. Thank you in advance for all possible answers.
I am From England
Nice day is it today, but I have a question for all...

In first , how i post message to PM...???

Thank you very much!
Mark. G..!!

[Apothos]

I don't think Tony Blair has an account here, perhaps you should try one of the methods mentioned here.

[Dead_Meat]

I like the consistency this one shows with this account where he/she/it says he/she/it's from Canada, USA and Poland, all in the space of 24 hours!

[Phil^]

Close thread, ban bot

[Ultimate Newbie]

Alternatively, you can send a message to the Australian Prime Minister.

[jt25man]

Originally Posted by Travler

Call me a moron but I never really thought about Australia having a formal government of elected officials.

You're a moron.

Travler]edit: I just got over 300 neg reps points for this comment. Do I have the most neg rep yet? Do I, Do I?

Maybe you should start posting about other things than religion all the time, since it doesn't seem to go over well with this audience; or at least stop leaving yourself open to attack by making yourself seem ignorant to things such as Australia having a formal government.

[Demon Dave]

Originally Posted by Travler

Call me a moron

It's already been sai, but I feel it needs reiterating.

YOU'RE A MORON

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Travler

Call me a moron but I never really thought about Australia having a formal government of elected officials. Just seemed like they had alot of bureaucrats and nothing else.

Calling you a moran due to your lack of understanding of foreign countries and their political system is a waste of time. After all your American and those people who arent 'morans' on these matters (Like alot of the Americans we see on these forums whom are intelligent and thoughtful, that doesnt include you ofc who is the perfect example of an 'Ugly American') are sadly in the minority. The fact your current president is pretty much a trigger happy, war mongouring bible basher who makes jade goody seem like a mastermind champion shows this as he was elected pretty much on his religious beliefs and his name despite how stupid and inept he is.

Australia seems to be one of the better run countries in the world today. Sov may disagree (or agree strongly, you cant really judge your own country very easierly from inside it so you normally end up with rose tinted glasses or being very pessamistic) but they seem to be a government where bureacuracy doesnt get in the way as much as it does in alot of others and allows them to make difficult but important decisions.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by horn

at least they have the excuse of religious disillusion for re-electing their idiot. we just have.... er.... erm.... er....

We didn't have any better "realistic" alternative? Voting for Blair's party over Howard's is a darn sight more forgivable than voting for Bush over Kerry (even though they're all scumbags obviously).

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by horn

i'm fairly certain we have other parties than labour and conservative.

Which is why I said "realistic" alternative.

i'm not sure electing a liar based on the idea that he can lie well is something we should consider an achievement of our electorate.

You don't understand what charisma means. Which is unsurprising really.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by horn

the lib dems?

Not a realistic alternative, at least not on election night given our history, media and electoral system. In the medium term of course they could win the next election (if one of the other parties collapsed) but basically there were two options as to who you wanted in power at the last election. And given that choice, I have a (very small) degree of sympathy for people who wanted Blair over Howard. The same defence can't really be offered for voting for Bush over Kerry.

i do, i just don't think blair has charisma. i think he's a skilled orator.

Then why did you respond in the way you did? Wakey said that Blair was more charismatic than his opponents in past elections (which seems fairly accurate given that at least one of them was Michael Howard). You responded by saying that we shouldn't be proud the British electorate merely voted for the best liar (effectively). Now you're saying Blair isn't charismatic. Which is fair enough but I don't see how that quite carries on from what is being said.

why?

Because, based on your forum persona you're the least charismatic person in existence.

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by horn

is this a joke?

No, is your rant a joke?

[wakey]

Originally Posted by horn

funnily enough, just like every country.


at least they have the excuse of religious disillusion for re-electing their idiot. we just have.... er.... erm.... er....
it might also be worthy of note that it's our country that celebrates the brain dead jade not our trans-atlantic cousins.

We don't however elect Jade into office though do we. And as Dante Hicks says our reelecting of Blair is that theres no better alternatives. All the parties are fighting for the middle ground on every issue so every leader is the same. The only thing that makes Blair stand out is hes a bit more charasmatic than the others (Plus when they are all basically the same its better the devil you know)

[Travler]

Originally Posted by wakey

Calling you a moran due to your lack of understanding of foreign countries and their political system is a waste of time. After all your American and those people who arent 'morans' on these matters (Like alot of the Americans we see on these forums whom are intelligent and thoughtful, that doesnt include you ofc who is the perfect example of an 'Ugly American') are sadly in the minority. The fact your current president is pretty much a trigger happy, war mongouring bible basher who makes jade goody seem like a mastermind champion shows this as he was elected pretty much on his religious beliefs and his name despite how stupid and inept he is.

Australia seems to be one of the better run countries in the world today. Sov may disagree (or agree strongly, you cant really judge your own country very easierly from inside it so you normally end up with rose tinted glasses or being very pessamistic) but they seem to be a government where bureacuracy doesnt get in the way as much as it does in alot of others and allows them to make difficult but important decisions.

My point was that Australia does not make the news much about it's elected officials but even isolated in America I heard much about the laws and enforcement in Australia.

For all you numbskulls out there I am actually trying to get neg rep since in general I share unpopular beliefs (As in the fact there is a GOD!!!). This bit about Australia was just a joke but it's but quite humorous to see the reaction from it. Thanks for laugh everyone and you just might want to remove those corncobs from up your butts. Your all just too anal to enjoy life sometimes.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Travler

For all you numbskulls out there I am actually trying to get neg rep

Everybody who has ever posted this statement has ended up banned.

It's just a matter of time.

[Travler]

Originally Posted by Yahwe

Everybody who has ever posted this statement has ended up banned.

It's just a matter of time.

Keep trying Yahwe. My wife is praying I get banned. Then I won't have this excuse to stay up.

Besides it would appear that I give your life purpose. If I was not around who would you lobby against?

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by Travler

edit: I just got over 300 neg reps points for this comment. Do I have the most neg rep yet? Do I, Do I?

Is it natural for christians to hate themselves as much as you do, or is it just you?

Pst, Wakey, I think he's canadian..

[furball]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Pst, Wakey, I think he's canadian..

Nope, I think he's from the USA judging by his IP address.

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by Kargool

Is it natural for christians to hate themselves as much as you do, or is it just you?

Pst, Wakey, I think he's canadian..

canadians actually respect other people's positions rather then forcefeeding them their own

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by horn

what is this assertion based on?
sorry but the america bashing is just ....ing boring now. it would be easier to stomach if followed by an overt acknowledgement of just how utterly utterly shit our own countries/public/leaders are, but all too often it isn't.

personal experiance. And, you'll note i didnt explicitly refer to americans in general, in that comment either - Your own viewpoint brought you to that conclusion.

[furball]

Originally Posted by Phil^

canadians actually respect other people's positions rather then forcefeeding them their own

Phil in defending the glorious canadian nation suprise....

[Gimmick]

Originally Posted by Travler

edit: I just got over 300 neg reps points for this comment. Do I have the most neg rep yet? Do I, Do I?

Nope

[wu_trax]

I dont get this. I do understand that bag-guy who posts here every few days with his search for whatever on google. He may get some page hits if he does this on enough forums, but this is just pointless.

[furball]

I'm impressed, I just managed to give Trevler another red blob.

[SilverSmoke]

Originally Posted by furball

I'm impressed, I just managed to give Trevler another red blob.

That's cool man.

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally Posted by furball

I'm impressed, I just managed to give Trevler another red blob.

I dunno about a red blob, but Trevler just managed to get neg rep out of me - its extremely rare that i give neg rep to people, but hes just managed it.

No wonder he defends religion so much; total lack of anything resembling a mind :\

Edit: I think i might have actually added one actually! Hurrah! :\

[Ste]

he's banned alread?

oh Tomkat will be annoyed

[Phil^]

but of course furball

[Tomkat]

Actually, without meaning to be rude to any Australians, I don't know much about Australian politics either. I don't even know what your Prime Minister's name is (I could google for it, of course, but I don't want to). That's probably more to do with my ignorance than anything else, but they hardly feature very prominently in our news (or America's, I expect).

I can't remember the last piece of news I heard which involved Australian politics, even at a small level.

So I support Travler in his point! Although I don't know about it being bureaucratic nonsense - it might simply be that I haven't heard about Aussie politics because it's dull, as it's so tiptop perfect!

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I don't even know what your Prime Minister's name is (I could google for it, of course, but I don't want to). That's probably more to do with my ignorance than anything else, but they hardly feature very prominently in our news (or America's, I expect).

Given the length of John Howard's reign and the amount of times he's appeared / been mentioned on (say) the BBC News in that period I would think it reasonable to expect someone in the UK of average / above average education to know who he was. Britain has closer ties to Australia than America does though, so it's very possible the American media doesn't mention him as often.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Given the length of John Howard's reign and the amount of times he's appeared / been mentioned on (say) the BBC News in that period I would think it reasonable to expect someone in the UK of average / above average education to know who he was. Britain has closer ties to Australia than America does though, so it's very possible the American media doesn't mention him as often.

When was the last time he was mentioned, and in what context?

I watch the BBC News and I honestly can say I can't remember him ever having being mentioned - at least not in any way that made me remember his name.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

When was the last time he was mentioned, and in what context?

A few days ago in a stupid story about the Ashes, I believe.

But more generally there have been a number of reasonably high profile mentions of him - the immigration debate (as discussed) and Iraq in particular.

To be fair though it's hardly a memorable name I guess.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Given the length of John Howard's reign and the amount of times he's appeared / been mentioned on (say) the BBC News in that period I would think it reasonable to expect someone in the UK of average / above average education to know who he was. Britain has closer ties to Australia than America does though, so it's very possible the American media doesn't mention him as often.

I had no idea who John Howard was and I struggle to think of a situation where I would conceivably about who was Prime Minister of Australia (it could come up in a pub quiz I suppose)

[milo]

I know who john howard is, no idea on the nzer (its a bint rite?), no idea on canada (there was a new one this year i hazly think...), no idea on anyone else.


The British have a particularly bad reputation for knowing anything about other countries, the only european heads of state i can remember are merkel, chirac and ahern. The irish ones i usually 'know' because there is a history between the two nations and the links mean quite a bit of interaction, but apart from that

Do the dutch know or care about the rest of the EU? what about those just outside like the norwegians? I don't suppose it particularly matters, im just curious.

[Ste]

Originally Posted by milo

The British have a particularly bad reputation for knowing anything about other countries,

Really?

I know the president of the major European countries, I think that's reasonable.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

I had no idea who John Howard was and I struggle to think of a situation where I would conceivably [need to know?] about who was Prime Minister of Australia (it could come up in a pub quiz I suppose)

There's not much of a benefit to knowing a bunch of stuff, my point is that it seeps into your brain if you watch enough TV news and things like that. I'm not particularly proud of knowing a whole bunch of business related trivia, but if you read the finances pages most mornings for ten years you pick up a thing or two.

My point was that I'd expect someone who read a quality newspaper and/or watched BBC News (or perhaps more importantly Newsnight) most days to know who the PM of Australia was. Not because it's important (it's not) but because he's been around for a decade and the Briitsh media is (understandably) biased towards English-speaking countries.

I'm not overly surprised you don't know though as your intellectual interests are deliberately not "normal" (this is not a criticism) and I don't take you to be a regular news viewer either.

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Actually, without meaning to be rude to any Australians, I don't know much about Australian politics either. I don't even know what your Prime Minister's name is (I could google for it, of course, but I don't want to). That's probably more to do with my ignorance than anything else, but they hardly feature very prominently in our news (or America's, I expect).

I can't remember the last piece of news I heard which involved Australian politics, even at a small level.

So I support Travler in his point! Although I don't know about it being bureaucratic nonsense - it might simply be that I haven't heard about Aussie politics because it's dull, as it's so tiptop perfect!

Thats simply a case of any nations news reporting focusing on issues that effect them. Watch the 10 o'clock news tonight and count how many stories are about issues in countries where it doesnt effect the UK. You won't find many, we don't even get much news reporting on issues in America that doesnt have a fairly significant link to UK.

However to say you havent heard any news that doesnt involved austrlian politics suprises me a little. Seeing as the whole immagration issue has been a hot topic for the last year or so and the Australian immagration policy is constantly held up as the kind of system we should have.

[notsure]

Originally Posted by wakey

However to say you havent heard any news that doesnt involved austrlian politics suprises me a little. Seeing as the whole immagration issue has been a hot topic for the last year or so and the Australian immagration policy is constantly held up as the kind of system we should have.

I pity anyone who sees Australia's Immigration policy as a good example. Heck the current policy actually excludes parts of Australia as being in Australia for migration purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_migration_zone
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1425387.htm

Some of the islands mentioned are well within Australian Territorial Waters, in fact some, such as Magnetic Island are clearly visible from the mainland, and are less than 30 minutes away by boat.

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally Posted by notsure

I pity anyone who sees Australia's Immigration policy as a good example. Heck the current policy actually excludes parts of Australia as being in Australia for migration purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_migration_zone
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1425387.htm

Some of the islands mentioned are well within Australian Territorial Waters, in fact some, such as Magnetic Island are clearly visible from the mainland, and are less than 30 minutes away by boat.

Perhaps the point was not made clear; Australia's Immigration policy is effective at detering people to make the rather long and quite hazardous journey with notorius ruffians (ie, people smugglers) in questionable craft to Australia. The less people try, the more time Customs and the Navy can spend trying to catch those massive poaching operations going on in the North. For some reason, Australia and Australians seem always to be portrayed as racists or people who dont care about freedoms or liberty people but i would put to you that this is far from the case.

Clearly, the issue is one of fairness - Whilst i wont say all Australians, i will say that many Australians see these "asylum seekers" who arrive in Australia via boats as que jumpers - these people take the place of those who apply to Australia's somewhat generous foreign immigration programme legitimately; people who take the time to bring their documents, to plan ahead and be co-operative, people who are willing to start a new life in Australia and do the other things without breaking laws or being antagonistic or whatever. I dont see why these "asylum seekers" cant apply through these programmes just like everyone else as if their claims were legitimate, then they'd have absolutely no problems receiving that asylum. As such, there is the perception that these boat people are predisposed to be less legitimate than proper applicants, and thus when they are taking the place of others who are less dogey then they are, it smacks of inequality.

Now, this is my own opinion on the issue plus the feelings and sentiments of those with whom i talk on this issue (granted, it has been some time now as the issue isnt as pressing as it was in say, 1999) however i must acknowledge that i'm a bit right of centre in the political spectrum, however i still maintain that the policy results in more 'fairness' if not exactly 'justice' (and i use that latter term very loosely).

[JonnyBGood]

When civilisation ends I want dante's complete and utter lack of respect for human dignity.

[milo]

tnf is tony blair a rightous dictatorial arsehole in person??

and although i don't like horn's posting style; i do agree with him here

[Tactitus]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

I did indeed as I believed he would be worse for America (and global political stability generally).

You'll forgive us then if we take your criticism of our electoral choices in the spirit in which it is given.

[dda]

I voted for Bush because Laura Bush is hotter than Theresa Kerry.

I always vote my principals.

[jt25man]

Originally Posted by dda

I voted for Bush because Laura Bush is hotter than Theresa Kerry.

I always vote my principals.

I voted for Bush because I couldn't stand Kerry's drawl, and not to mention looking at that ugly mug for the next 4-8 years.

It's also funny, listening to the news before the elections earlier this month, they said that a majority of people now a days vote not for there candidate, but to vote against the other one that they don't like or want. I think this was one of the reasons Bush got re-elected, far too many peopled couldn't stand Kerry so they voted against him by voting for Bush...sort of the lesser of two evils, or as mentioned before "voting for the devil you know".

Also, I'm an American and I knew the PM of Australia was John Howard. But that's not really the point, the point is even if I didn't, I wouldn't be dumb enough to admit it in the open to make sure that everyone knew I was an ignorant red neck American. Samuel Clemmens said it best, "It's better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by jt25man

I voted for Bush because I couldn't stand Kerry's drawl, and not to mention looking at that ugly mug for the next 4-8 years.

An enlightened choice I see.

[Ultimate Newbie]

Originally Posted by Wakey

Australia seems to be one of the better run countries in the world today. Sov may disagree (or agree strongly, you cant really judge your own country very easierly from inside it so you normally end up with rose tinted glasses or being very pessamistic) but they seem to be a government where bureacuracy doesnt get in the way as much as it does in alot of others and allows them to make difficult but important decisions.

Well, its a bit of both really. Living in Western Australia, i am kind of an outsider within australia - we watch (with some suspicion) all the going ons "over east" (ie, anything east of the state border), and have a bit of a laugh at how seriously they take "national" issues. An example, at a COAG meeting, the PM called all the State Premiers to agree to a national water policy which was effectively to "solve" the whole Murray-Darling river basin and who has the water rights (to those who dotn know, this river starts in NSW, flows a bit through Victoria and ends in South Australia, so three states need the same laws and which farmers are allowed what water and so on). Anyway, the agreement didnt even mention Western Australia whose capital, Perth, is on a steeply falling rainfall trend for the last 30 years (and much of Perth's water is from dams, which obviously take water to refill), and so it was totally useless.

Pretty much, this sort of stuff happens all the time, so we are kinda bemused by the whole "eastern staters" and their insular ways.

Anyway, back to the point, i see alot of stupidity (like the above) going on in Australian governments (Federal, State, Local), however having been to other countries and hearing stories from elsewhere, it more or less pales in comparison. This could be due to rose tinted glasses or not, but i do think we do have it much better than most.

As for the PM being cited overseas, seriously he's been around for 10 (going on 11) years - how hard is it really to even consider that?

[Tomkat]

I think it's simply a case of people not bothering to remember things they don't need to know.

There's the obvious case of people in the street being asked who the Prime Minister was, and who Barbara Windsor played in Eastenders. More got the Eastenders question right (Peggy Mitchell!) than the PM one. That's mainly because they "need" to know her name, as they watch the soap and so would therefore be confused without it. They don't "need" to know the PM's name as firstly they'll be told he's the PM on TV when he features, and secondly they probably don't watch or care about current affairs.

I have a brilliant memory when it comes to remembering trivial stuff people tell me, such as their past or friends they know. It's scary sometimes, when I remember things years later and can bring it up. It's ace for smalltalk ("hey, how's your grandad doing now?" or "you still having trouble with that girl at work?" or "ohhh yeah this is John - isn't he the guy you met while in France?" etc) but it means I often forget things which I should remember like dates or - like in this example - world leader's names.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by horn

what can i say, i'm a huge jakiri fan

Do you have the BRAIN WORMS?

[Insane0ne]

You all are under the spell of the vast reaching american media, It doesnt matter who you vote for they all want world domination in the end (both are free-masons)... I voted for neither nor will I vote next election.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Insane0ne

You all are under the spell of the vast reaching american media, It doesnt matter who you vote for they all want world domination in the end (both are free-masons)... I voted for neither nor will I vote next election.

This is the most confused I've been since Tim told me that the geometry was all wrong that day.

You don't appear to have the best understanding of either this forum nor freemasonry. Perhaps you should stay away from "f" words.