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27 Dec 2006, 01:45
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
I'm really unclear on why they got rid of Duff, and Johnson's doing excellently at Pompey - but in the case of SWP, he really brought it upon himself.
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The best thing moronyo has done for chelski is install a siege mentality, usually without warrant.
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Just like Wenger did at Arsenal, and Ferguson did at Manchester United. A seige mentality is the first thing just about every manager in the championship race does. It's probably more deserved as well - people dislike chelsea a lot more than they did the other two!
I'm surprised you talk about Gallas in a positive way though - he did nothing but act unprofessionally throughout the summer.
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27 Dec 2006, 01:58
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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by 'dealing with four points' you basically put a one sentence reply. you are actually probably pretty lucky i even bother to reply to you again given your argument position can be summed up as 'no why?'.
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How generous, seeing as I gave a rather extensive reply a few posts ago.
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'no evidence to suggest' chelsea will sign a replacement center half for their injured captain? oh please. they had an entire summer to find a 4th center half, given that robert huth leaving in the summer wasnt exactly 'unexpected'.
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He very nearly didn't go. Gallas left on the very last day of the transfer window. there was no time to get another.
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my point is that the weaknesses in man utd's team will remain until the end of the season at least, you cant say the same for definite about chelseas.
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What are you basing this on? Man U have already signe one player, why can't they sign any more?
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As much as i love larsson, youd have to say that a 2 month loan signing from the mighty helsingborgs is what you might call 'patchwork'.
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He signed several weeks before the transfer window, it was hardly a desperate last-minute signing.
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Swp, Crespo, Kezman, Duff, Johnson.
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Still trying to get into the team, wanted to go back to Italy, couldn't score and wanted to leave, formation changed so no place for him, simply not good enough. Players leaving clubs is not exclusive to Chelsea.
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To a lesser extent look at the amount of players who havent been as successful as maybe would have been thought and have been usurped by more expensive signings - such as Bridge.
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So you think when Chelsea sign players who aren't good enough to win the league they should keep them anyway out of some sense of fairness? No club keeps players who are no good for the team. When going to a club like Chelsea you know the chances of playing will be limited so you are either greedy or think you can break into the team. Only time will tell if you are sucessful or not.
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Last week when chelsea stole the 3-2 win away at wigan they went to basically a 3-2-3-2 formation with no shape or direction, and it worked, due to nothing more than the sheer quality of their players.
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Some teams get lucky. If you have no luck then you don't win the league. If things never go your way then how do you expect to achieve anything? Chelsea drew against Reading today. Sometimes things go your way, sometimes they don't.
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Its not exactly chess when you have that attacking bench to play with - "o shit im a goal down lets put on kalou/sheva/swp/robben/jcole" or whoever. Man utd and arsenal's options are very much more limited, forcing them to be more tactical with their subsitutions. If rooney/ronaldo/saha/giggs are all on the field, solskjaer is pretty much their only real dangerous player they can throw on. Class act that he is, hes reasonably old, and stays about through legend status. Its not like chelsea still have zola waiting in the wings.
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I'm not sure what your point is here. Man U and Arsenal aren't exactly the poor clubs of England. they dominated (by your logic) through having more money to spend and now there is another team with more money you are jealous. Chelsea has increased the level of football in England considerably. to win the league you have to play far more consistantly than in previous seasons.
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The best thing moronyo has done for chelski is install a siege mentality, usually without warrant.
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I've no idea what this means.
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A few final notes.
The reason so many neutral fans or arsenal/liverpool/whoever fans are supporting their traditional rivals man utd rather than chelsea is reasonably simple.
a/ Chelsea dont have a lot of class about how they act on or off the field. The cole, gallas, mikel sagas spring to mind - abramovich is a dislikeable human being far away from the triviality of football, and mourinho, of course. Gallas summed it up best after chelsea talked trash about him by saying simply 'all that money, and still, no class'.
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Of course, Chelsea are the only team ever to have been involved in controversial situations in regards to signings. the whole Hargreaves scenario has been handled so professionally. Gallas isn't exactly immune to criticism for his own actions when considering how he behaved before he moved clubs.
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b/ Man Utd (and Arsenal) still play immeasurably better football. Look at the goal differences.
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If they don't play football that well, they aren't top of the league. Simple as.
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27 Dec 2006, 02:18
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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Man U are trying to steal Hargreaves off Bayern Munich. Chelsea pobably won't sign anyone.
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considering the amount they are willing to pay, i hardly think that the word theft can come into it
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27 Dec 2006, 02:22
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
What's annoying is that United have gained two points yet people see it as a massive shift in the title race, when it isn't really.
The next wave of kids in Chelsea's youth system are currently about 16/17, on loan at lower league clubs and will probably get near the first team in 2 to 3 years time from the signings/loans they've made.
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27 Dec 2006, 02:23
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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considering the amount they are willing to pay, i hardly think that the word theft can come into it
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Bayern Munich don't want him to go. Man U are not respecting their wishes and neither is Hagreaves. they are using the media to unsettle Hargreaves. His signing for Man U will not be met with contentment for all involved.
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27 Dec 2006, 02:29
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
so far, I've not noticed anyone slagging off Chelsea for selling Chris Sutton after only one season.
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27 Dec 2006, 02:30
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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so far, I've not noticed anyone slagging off Chelsea for selling Chris Sutton after only one season.
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cough juan veron cough
a problem both sides have shared
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27 Dec 2006, 03:02
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
Veron played well for both teams, when the game style suited him. He needs time on the ball, which he was never given in the Premiership.
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27 Dec 2006, 13:07
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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Veron played well for both teams, when the game style suited him. He needs time on the ball, which he was never given in the Premiership.
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bizarrely, the minute he looked as if he was getting somewhere, each club decided to sell him at a loss.
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27 Dec 2006, 16:39
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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Gallas isn't exactly immune to criticism for his own actions when considering how he behaved before he moved clubs.
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You realise most of what was said about him was made up don't you?
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27 Dec 2006, 16:48
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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You realise most of what was said about him was made up don't you?
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I'm not sure how you can make up a player not turning up for preseason training.
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27 Dec 2006, 20:03
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
Everton Ftw
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27 Dec 2006, 20:26
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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The reason so many neutral fans or arsenal/liverpool/whoever fans are supporting their traditional rivals man utd rather than chelsea is reasonably simple.
a/ Chelsea dont have a lot of class about how they act on or off the field. The cole, gallas, mikel sagas spring to mind - abramovich is a dislikeable human being far away from the triviality of football, and mourinho, of course. Gallas summed it up best after chelsea talked trash about him by saying simply 'all that money, and still, no class'.
b/ Man Utd (and Arsenal) still play immeasurably better football. Look at the goal differences.
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I think you're overlooking the main point for people supporting Man U in this title race.
c/ Chelsea have run away with the title for the past 2 seasons without too much competition. This season, Man U are giving them some good competition which makes the title race more interesting. Besides, a team winning the competition 3 seasons in a row does get boring, so others support their main opposition.
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27 Dec 2006, 21:23
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
I'd like Chelsea to win the league because I'm a London bigot*. However living in the South East I know an equal amount of Chelsea and Man Utd fans (which says it all) so I'm not that bothered.
Being in primary school in the 80's I was surrounded by glory hunting Liverpool fans and thus they're the only team I actively dislike (as far as I care at all, which isn't much). It occasionally occurs that they might suddenly become champions again, and when I read prediction threads on forums like this where almost everyone puts them as either second or first I assume that day may have come. But apparently not.
* = However, I am a South London bigot in particular and thus would prefer Palace, Charlton or even Millwall to win it. However, since the glory of '88 and the horrors of '90 it's looked unlikely a South London team will win even the FA Cup, let alone the title. And therefore, abstract notions of support float north (to Arsenal, then Tottenham) and then finally West (to Chelsea or Fulham).
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29 Dec 2006, 20:23
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
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I'm not sure how you can make up a player not turning up for preseason training.
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You realise most of what was said about him was made up don't you?
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29 Dec 2006, 20:28
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
Gallas created more than enough rope to hang himself with, there's no reason to assume that anyone criticising him was doing it because of nazi propaganda.
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29 Dec 2006, 22:23
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
just out of curiousity, who would you (and by you i mean the whole board not just MrL) say acted worse over the summer, cole or gallas?
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29 Dec 2006, 22:52
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Re: [Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
Over the summer? Gallas. Overall, over the prior 6 months? Cole.
It depends where you count Cole's book as appearing, though.
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