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Unread 20 Sep 2005, 17:53   #51
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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I already explained that it is not a sickness. I will argue that it is society that ruins the children by telling them that they have experienced something horrible and then expects them to have ruined lives. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You don't really care about the children madi. You don't even know them. It is your own sensibilities that are offended, it is you is demanding that something YOU see as an atrocity be punished for your own selfish gratification. And the measure of punishment you're willing to pursue for your own selfish reasons is the most extreme. You're a bigot.

you may have had a horrible time going through the social care system which i agree is inadequate and fails children terribly,
but that is no excuse for thinking that a grown man screwing a 3 year old girl is not an atrocity.

my believing in capitol punishment is a seperate matter.

you may think that i am over reacting but i shant answer to any more of your posts because just as you find me a bigot for my beliefs i find you repulsive for yours.
and i am so angry and disgusted that i am sat at my desk in tears and am going to block you so that i dont have to explain myself should anyone walk in my office.
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Unread 20 Sep 2005, 17:53   #52
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As long as we have the internet people who want to acquire illegal child porn will always have the option to do so. If we introduce a legal form of it then if nothing else it will reduce the demand for child porn that actually involves children.
Absolute rubbish!!!

There is no way (In the Uk & majority of civilised countries) that they will ever include children in pornography to make money.

Unless they lower the legal age of sex to say 14 or so
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

The age of consent in Canada is currently 14 years old.
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Unread 20 Sep 2005, 17:59   #54
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

madi, being upset & crying over someone's opinions on the INTERWEB is going a little too far.

Being so sensitive over comments made from someone you're more than likely to never even meet is also too far (I am sure you now won't meet him anyway)

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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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you may have had a horrible time going through the social care system which i agree is inadequate and fails children terribly,
but that is no excuse for thinking that a grown man screwing a 3 year old girl is not an atrocity.

my believing in capitol punishment is a seperate matter.

you may think that i am over reacting but i shant answer to any more of your posts because just as you find me a bigot for my beliefs i find you repulsive for yours.
and i am so angry and disgusted that i am sat at my desk in tears and am going to block you so that i dont have to explain myself should anyone walk in my office.
I'm a monster.

She totally missed my point, but maybe calling her a bigot was going too far.
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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madi, being upset & crying over someone's opinions on the INTERWEB is going a little too far.

Being so sensitive over comments made from someone you're more than likely to never even meet is also too far (I am sure you now won't meet him anyway)
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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And there was me being convinced by the office girls here that they are more superior!

Thank you for providing me with some ammo
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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i think that child molesters are worse than violent criminals.
"Violent criminal" is a fairly broad term and includes all sorts of people (bank robbers, football hooligans, etc.) So yes, on average probably this is true.

However, I don't see how someone who rapes (say) a very old woman is any better than someone who rapes a kid. They're both pretty appalling. And in certain circumstances (which are yet to be fulfilled) I wouldn't object to shooting them.

And yeah, I'd do if it necessary, I'm not really interested if their family was watching or what type of gun I used.
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And in certain circumstances (which are yet to be fulfilled) I wouldn't object to shooting them.

And yeah, I'd do if it necessary, I'm not really interested if their family was watching or what type of gun I used.
..and you realise that you're just doing it for selfish reasons, not because you're going to help anyone or do anything positive.
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..and you realise that you're just doing it for selfish reasons, not because you're going to help anyone or do anything positive.
I don't realise, no. But if it makes you feel better then OK.
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I don't realise, no. But if it makes you feel better then OK.
You know if you shoot yourself, you'll never have a bothersome cold again, problem solved! We can solve so many by just shooting each other and ourselves. Why haven't we thought of this before...
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We can solve so many by just shooting each other and ourselves.
If you can genuinely equate "having a cold" with someone who has raped a child or whatnot then this absolutley true.
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If you can genuinely equate "having a cold" with someone who has raped a child or whatnot then this absolutley true.
i'm impressed how s|k has so far in this thread said that pedophilia is like a cold in every way except that it isn't a disease.

i'm somewhat jealous at this point tbh.
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If you can genuinely equate "having a cold" with someone who has raped a child or whatnot then this absolutley true.
You missed my point. If your only argument is that shooting the person will stop them from ever committing the crime again, then it is just as good to prevent a cold by shooting yourself. In reality, it is too much. That's what I'm trying to point out. You can prevent crimes from happening by other means without resorting to facsist solutions.
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If your only argument is that shooting the person will stop them from ever committing the crime again
It isn't. In fact, I haven't even said that once.
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I don't really know what a "fascist solution" is, but it's actually fairly difficult to stop people committing crimes completely. I mean, there are large numbers of crimes committed in prisons, it's just society doesn't really give a shit about the victims (unless the guards get injured, etc).
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OK, so child sex is wrong, getting kicks from having sex with a child is wrong, child exploitation and abuse is wrong. We are unanimous.
Not necessarily, but we can use this as a working hypothesis for the purpose of the thread, because the discussion is primarilly about censorship rather than modern attitudes towards child sexuality.

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However the actual question is, is there any danger from child-sex related materiels that do not in any way actually involve a child, such as fiction and animation?
Before looking for evidence for this question, its worth considering what significance an answer would actually have. Let's say some kind of positive correlation was demonstrated between watching paedoporn and raping kids, and a plausible casual relationship was put forwards. Now, why would this be enough to justify criminalisation? What would be the essential difference between banning childporn because it was shown to 'cause' child abuse, and banning violent films if it were to be demonstrated that they increased violence in society? Or banning 'normal' pornography if it were demonstrated to increase the number of rapes? In all these cases, we have the same question - is government censorship of certain material justified because of its potential to 'cause'* undesirable behavior in some, but not all, of those who participate in it. Answering 'yes' in the case of paedo porn and 'no' in the case of violent films is just baseless emotionalism.


* even the scare quotes dont do enough to emphasize how silly this word is in this context

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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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Absolute rubbish!!!

There is no way (In the Uk & majority of civilised countries) that they will ever include children in pornography to make money.

Unless they lower the legal age of sex to say 14 or so
You misunderstood my post. What I meant was that allowing child porn that doesn't include children (cgi, etc...) will reduce the demand for porn that involves actual children. I don't think that anyone under the age of 18 should ever be involved in the production of porn.
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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Answering 'yes' in the case of paedo porn and 'no' in the case of violent films is just baseless emotionalism.
society not only is willing to accept, but actually encourages violence in a controlled and albeit limited manner.

i've yet to hear 'OK, you can have sex with that boy for the next three minutes inside 'the ring', but once the bells rings you have to pull out.'

0 tolerance in our society vs. limited tolerance in our society,

why not 0 tolerance in our media vs. limited tolerance in our media?
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

I don't personally believe that watching child porn, simulated or otherwise in a 'normal' everyday situation would result in me being attracted to children. I don't doubt that people can be 'brainwashed' or conditioned to do pretty much anything but in a day to day sceneario where i have access to multiple points of view i don't think simply watching something turns you into something else. I can download multiple mpegs of people being beheaded and other not so fun events on the internet. I may become desensitised to those images but it hasn't made me want to behead anyone. Besides if there was a correlation the police officers that had to investigate these crimes would be most inclined to become child abusers.

Just because something hasn't been criminalised doesn't mean it has become more socially acceptable.

Having said that i have no problem whatsoever with having child abusers and rapists executed.

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I will argue that it is society that ruins the children by telling them that they have experienced something horrible and then expects them to have ruined lives. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I've assumed we're talking about non-consentual intercourse (you know rape). If you're talking along the lines of NAMBLA 'the kids asked for it' , its a different matter. I don't see how society is ruining children by protecting them from an experience they don't want.

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You don't really care about the children madi. You don't even know them. It is your own sensibilities that are offended, it is you is demanding that something YOU see as an atrocity be punished for your own selfish gratification. And the measure of punishment you're willing to pursue for your own selfish reasons is the most extreme.
i don't see anything wrong with society condeming what it sees as wrong and punishing people for it. If as you claim its all cultural i don't see anything wrong with saying cultures aren't always equal and what we do is right and what the barbarians do is wrong.

The 'you don't care about the children you don't even know them' bit had me in stiches btw.

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Considering the paragraph attached to this. Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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I've assumed we're talking about non-consentual intercourse (you know rape). If you're talking along the lines of NAMBLA 'the kids asked for it' , its a different matter. I don't see how society is ruining children by protecting them from an experience they don't want.
this would be fine but society will not let children consent.

as far as I know there has been no study asking people below the age of consent what they would or would not want.
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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Let's say some kind of positive correlation was demonstrated between watching paedoporn and raping kids, and a plausible casual relationship was put forwards. Now, why would this be enough to justify criminalisation? What would be the essential difference between banning childporn because it was shown to 'cause' child abuse, and banning violent films if it were to be demonstrated that they increased violence in society? Or banning 'normal' pornography if it were demonstrated to increase the number of rapes?

I disagree, I dont think the issue is so simple that it can be boiled down to such a basic premise as 'experiencing any event by proxy corelates to people acting on this event.'

We ban smoking in film in an attempt to remove the 'normality' of it. It is not that people will see their favourite star smoking and thus start smoking instantly, but my making it seem like a commonplace activity, they make it more likely.

Furthermore, obviously there is SOME link between seeing an action, or seeing somebody endorse an action, and the action being repeated by the viewer, otherwise why is there a hundred-billion dollar a year advertising industry around the world? Why pay millions of dollars to have celebreties seen sporting a logo or product?

It is almost axiomatic that there is SOME kind of link between viewing and action, at least with mundane activities. The question is, does this activity continue to the extra-ordinary or illegal? Pornography depicting violent rape IS illegal for example.

Add to that the special case of children being by definition dependents and (arguably) unable to form a full rational informed decision about all actions, in particular in the face of adult deceit or coersion, and we arrive at the decision to make illegal certain depictions of illegal acts affecting the most vulnerable classes.

I think there IS merit in a case by case basis, rather than the blanket overall principle you argued for earlier.

As I said, I personally am NOT really sure about making illegal child-pornigraphic materiel when children are in no way actually involved in any step of its creation, but I can understand WHY it is illegal, and if it were up to me, I would err on the side of illegal as well.
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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this would be fine but society will not let children consent.

as far as I know there has been no study asking people below the age of consent what they would or would not want.


Thats a fair point, the semantics of the word 'consent' break down when you ( i ) automatically say a segment of society is incapable of something. I accept that there could be cases of sexual intercourse where no psychological or physical harm is done and that it genuinely is society that harms the individuals by enforcing the opinion that what happened was 'wrong', but the general thrust/theme of this thread seemed to be towards 'forced' intercourse occuring.
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We ban smoking in film in an attempt to remove the 'normality' of it.
Smoking in film is not banned. That violates the 1st Amendment.
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

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Smoking in film is not banned. That violates the 1st Amendment.
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Thats a fair point, the semantics of the word 'consent' break down when you ( i ) automatically say a segment of society is incapable of something. I accept that there could be cases of sexual intercourse where no psychological or physical harm is done and that it genuinely is society that harms the individuals by enforcing the opinion that what happened was 'wrong', but the general thrust/theme of this thread seemed to be towards 'forced' intercourse occuring.
the vast majority of case of statutory rape involve the 'victim' saying that they did consent.

but the victim is ignored.

for she is 14

her paedophile boyfriend is 17.

sex offenders register then for 10 years .... at 26 he is less sympethised with but no less stigmatised.
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Smoking in film is not banned. That violates the 1st Amendment.
Cigarette commercials are banned from television though. The First Amendment doesn't seem to have the reach it used to.
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Re: CGI Kiddie Porn!!!

I have had to deal with the devastation caused to children by molestation. I have had to deal with the devastation of families caused by molestation. I have seen the cases come through my office of the paedos and almost without exception they have a nice collection of child porn as well. If I am going to err it is going to be on the side of protecting children.
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I have had to deal with the devastation caused to children by molestation. I have had to deal with the devastation of families caused by molestation. I have seen the cases come through my office of the paedos and almost without exception they have a nice collection of child porn as well. If I am going to err it is going to be on the side of protecting children.
And are you protecting them? Has anything you've done stopped or slowed child molestation? Seems to me it's as prevailent as ever.

I believe it is possible to have a crimeless society, do you? There are societies out there that don't have laws, they don't have police, they don't have jails, they don't have capital punishment, and they manage just fine. Well they did until they were encroached upon by us.
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I have had to deal with the devastation caused to children by molestation. I have had to deal with the devastation of families caused by molestation. I have seen the cases come through my office of the paedos and almost without exception they have a nice collection of child porn as well. If I am going to err it is going to be on the side of protecting children.
They have child porn because they are paedos. They did not become paedos after acquiring the child porn. You seem to be propagating some sort of slippery slope argument which (imo) does not exist.
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