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Best Action Movie Ever

I hate threads like this, anyhow...

Die Hard -

Great script and story
Great villain - one of the best
It's a heist, and I always love heist movies
A period piece - 80's: Japanese company in the US, black and white guy cop buddy movie, sophistication of corporate culture (related flick: Stone's 'Wallstreet').
Great sound - Helicopters soaring around the building, explosions
Great effects - note explosions
Bonus: People shouting unnessarily in German in every other scene


Drawback: elevator shaft fall scene - McClain should never have been able to catch that second ledge.
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Unread 11 Nov 2005, 19:26   #2
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

The Glimmer Man.



edit: serious guys watch it it's on channel 5 about once every three months, it's an education in 'how to waste far too much money' because it's really truly bad
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

WHERE EAGLES DARE!

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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

Is Rocky an action movie? I'm not very good at genres
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

i liked 'die hard: with a vengeance' at least as well.

and whatever you think about the trilogy, matrix was a great movie and reloaded had one of the greatest action sequences of all time.
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

To Hell and Back

Audie Murphy gets to kill lots of Nazis. \o/
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

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Not as many as get killed in Where Eagles Dare!

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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

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My first thought is Robocop. I don´t like action movies much, they have to be really good to not seriously annoy me.
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Yes but Audie Murphy really killed all of those Nazis. Most decorated US soldier in WWII.
Just because it's true doesn't mean it's better.
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Yes but Audie Murphy really killed all of those Nazis. Most decorated US soldier in WWII.
My favorite part is where he becomes a depressed alcoholic and dies alone in misery.

Edit: plane crash
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I see your Rocky and raise you a Rocky 3

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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

I'd have to agree with Die Hard as one of the best action movies. The first Indiana Jones movie and the first Matrix film both qualify for some sort of action hall of fame though.

But it depends how wide you set the genre. The IMDB's "top rated action movies" includes Leon, Lord of the Rings and Sin CIty - which are all very good. But I'd be reluctant to view those films as "action", as even though they may include a fair amount of action, that's hardly the primary draw of the movie.
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Gladiator must be up there; though, again, it only falls rather loosely into the 'action' category.
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

There is a fair amount of action in Debbie Does Dallas as well, however, I would hesitate to include it in the "action movie" catagory.
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Total Recall

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I like Total Recall, but Die Hard really has this amazing quality to it. I recommend watching it again just to see it shine.
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It's not as good as Where Eagles Dare!
It's a classic, no doubt. I love Eastwood anyhow (Good, Bad, and the Ugly).
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erm.
Sin City anyone?

That movie gave me a continuous methaphoric erection.
I watched in 3 times in a row.
I thought sin city was pretty shit. Sorry.
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Wow.
My assesment of you suddenly took a wild plunge into the mariana trench.
I'm sorry I don't like predictable movies loaded with shallow stereo types uttering ridiculous lines. Wait, actually I'm not sorry.
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I'm sorry I don't like predictable movies loaded with shallow stereo types uttering ridiculous lines. Wait, actually I'm not sorry.
then why make this thread?
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then why make this thread?
Have you ever seen Die Hard?
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Have you ever seen Die Hard?
I think the more important question is have you ever seen die hard? I mean, I like it as much as the next guy but for god's sake look at what you've written (typed).
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I think the more important question is have you ever seen die hard? I mean, I like it as much as the next guy but for god's sake look at what you've written (typed).
I saw it this morning, it's a phenomenal movie.
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I saw it this morning, it's a phenomenal movie.
darling you can say that it was a movie that I enjoyed phenominally. A movie which embodies the escapism and mindlessness of true action. A movie which I enjoy every time I watch it.

but you don't need to

and you won't be taken seriously if you try to

argue that die hard is in anyway a credit to the art of cinematography.

lots of people enjoy the harry potter books and that is nice for them it's good that they find escapist enjoyment. but even you would laugh them out of the room if they tried to suggest that harry potter was Dickens.
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I saw it this morning, it's a phenomenal movie.
Yeah but it's a predictable movie loaded with shallow stereo types uttering ridiculous lines...
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you made the movie?
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darling you can say that it was a movie that I enjoyed phenominally. A movie which embodies the escapism and mindlessness of true action. A movie which I enjoy every time I watch it.

but you don't need to

and you won't be taken seriously if you try to

argue that die hard is in anyway a credit to the art of cinematography.

lots of people enjoy the harry potter books and that is nice for them it's good that they find escapist enjoyment. but even you would laugh them out of the room if they tried to suggest that harry potter was Dickens.
Your mistake is that you think cinematography is some sort of high art. It is not.
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Your mistake is that you think cinematography is some sort of high art. It is not.
well no,

what i think is that 'it is an art'

like all arts there is both good and bad versions of that art and creations that one likes or doesn't like in that art. but those 2 characteristics can combine in any way in a single piece. much like in any other art.

so you can have:

1) Good example of that art + I don't like it myself
2) Bad example of that art + I don't like it myself
3) Good example of that art + I do like it myself
4) Bad example of that art + I do like it myself

I'm suggesting that Die hard is an example of (4). no category is 'higher' art than any other. It's all just art.

EDIT: so for some people harry potter is (4) and Dickens is (1) or (3) depending on taste. for me harry potter is a (2)
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People also disagree on what makes good or bad art, so Die hard can be a (3) as well :]
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People also disagree on what makes good or bad art, so Die hard can be a (3) as well :]
an objective judgement requires evidence and explanation. a subjective judgement requires only opinion.

but opinion can not justify an objective judgement anymore than evidence and explanation are required for a subjective judgement.

disagreement is an opinion. so no. die hard can not be (3) merely because someone disagrees. die hard could only ever be a (3) or a (1) if there was evidence and explanation.
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

A film, if it exists at all, must be a film. Because it is a word we use for a categorisation: we do this all the time. So certain creations, which we say represent their art form (in this case film), should display a deep understanding of the various techniques of that art form.




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an objective judgement requires evidence and explanation. a subjective judgement requires only opinion.

but opinion can not justify an objective judgement anymore than evidence and explanation are required for a subjective judgement.

disagreement is an opinion. so no. die hard can not be (3) merely because someone disagrees. die hard could only ever be a (3) or a (1) if there was evidence and explanation.
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There aren't any written rules that makes a piece of art good or bad, it's ALL subjective :]
well that depends what you mean by good.

there are rules that make a poem a poem and not a movie.

I took the trouble to sepparate these ideas (see above).

you didn't understand.

I then took the trouble to try to explain that sepparation(see above).

once again you don't understand.

I can't help but think that if i have to educate you from scratch (which i am honestly more than willing to do). then it might be better if you use irc and come to #forums and pm me. GD is a big community, no point in me educating you piece by piece; post by post, here. We'll just end up de-railing the thread and boring people.
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There aren't any written rules that makes a piece of art good or bad, it's ALL subjective :]
That's about as useful as saying that "everything is subjective". Whilst that may be true, its pretty useless for the purposes of the debate.
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That's about as useful as saying that "everything is subjective". Whilst that may be true, its pretty useless for the purposes of the debate.
Whether you consider a piece of art to be a good or bad example of it's genre is subjective.

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I said there are no rules that make them universally good or bad.
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I said there are no rules that make them universally good or bad.
so did i.



but I also said that whether a piece of art is a good or bad representation (ambassador) of it's genre is not entirely subjective. I tried to sepparate 'liking' something from saying 'this is a good representation of it's genre'
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

The Negotiator (Samuel L Jackon & Kevin Spacey among others) is one of my favourite action films.
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Re: Best Action Movie Ever

Die Hard, closely followed by Die Hard 2 and Die Hard 3
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I thought sin city was pretty shit. Sorry.
and i thought i was the only one with that opinion. i wouldnt go so far and call it shit, but i dont think its even half as great and brilliant a movie as most people seem to think it is.
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and i thought i was the only one with that opinion. i wouldnt go so far and call it shit, but i dont think its even half as great and brilliant a movie as most people seem to think it is.
If we classified the letter A as unwarranted praise resulting from a brilliant marketing campaign, the letter B as the quality of the original comic books, and the letter C the quality of the movie then I think that my antipathy for that movie can be summed up with the following formula:

Antipathy = (A*B)/C

Your assesment of the movie may be a bit more honest.
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