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Unread 24 Jan 2006, 19:19   #1
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My Job

I got a letter in my pigeonhole about two weeks ago, informing me that there was going to be an advertisement coming up in a week in the TES.

The advertisement is going to be for my job.

At the moment I teach ICT and Business Studies for 60% of the weekly timetable. For 40% of the time I cover lessons of teachers that are sick, or on courses, or whatever.

In September the position becomes fulltime (100% of the timetable).

I just assumed that they'd automatically offer it to me.

Apparently not.

The TES is the main teachers newspaper (The Times Educational Supplement) so lots of teachers are likely to see it.

I was given prior warning in the form of a letter which I suppose is positive, but I have to reapply for my job.

This involves filling out an application form, doing a covering letter, etc.

It just seems really silly - especially as my references are going to be the people who decide whether I get the job.


It all seems a little bit like a kick in the face, and has been a little depressing for me actually.

* Firstly, I might not get the job when I reapply. I might not even get through to the interview. That'd be so crushing.
* Secondly, I thought I'd just be offered the job and be in control of what happened.
* Thirdly, I'm not sure if I want to remain at this school. I enjoy it most days, but some days are just utter crap and exhausting (I suppose it's the same for most jobs though). The commute is shit too - 1.5 hours each way each day.


The deadline is tomorrow, and I have my application form completely done. My covering letter was done, but then I got my English teacher friend to look at it and she "revamped" (she gave me an F+ for it!) it for me, so I need to redo it.



I'm going to reapply for the job, give it my best shot, and if I don't get it I'll feel shit and worthless until August, when I have to get a new job. Hooray!
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Unread 24 Jan 2006, 19:27   #2
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Re: My Job

They almost certainly will interview you, even if they don't offer you the job. They generally do for internal candidates, just out of politeness. Also, you could just be deliberately shit for however long you're left there.

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Unread 24 Jan 2006, 19:29   #3
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Re: My Job

good luck, you will find though that as you are local govt. they have to be seen to be advertising jobs - just giving it to an internal candidate can go horribly horribly wrong if they are found out, if you are liked in the school in which you teach you shouldn't have much to fear really.
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Re: My Job

1.5 hours? A lot? I'm so used to commute for 2 hours that I didn't know 1.5 hours is a lot.

I hope they give you an interview and the job.

All I could say now is good luck.
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Re: My Job

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1.5 hours? A lot? I'm so used to commute for 2 hours that I didn't know 1.5 hours is a lot.
London commuting is messed up. Although at the moment it only takes me 55 minutes, but that's because I'm against the flow of traffic (I go from Zone 2 to Zone 5).

It shouldn't really take longer than 30 minutes to get to work, if you want to remain sane, imo.
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Unread 24 Jan 2006, 20:35   #6
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Re: My Job

Don't you work in a school in south London?
Those schools are usually shit anyway, apply for a decent school not run by thugs.
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Re: My Job

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Correct.

A lot of companies, and government positions, have a policy that makes them advertise externally for all positions. It's not a snub, it's general policy so that companies cannot be accused of internal favouritism.

I think it's all a load of bollocks, but I think it's a part of this 'openess' stuff that seems to be flying around for teh last twenty years.
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Re: My Job

Good luck

When I worked at Norwich Union they decided to 'streamline' the department I worked in. This basically involved advertising every job and hoping that they could get someone more productive into the role from outside the company.
I breezed through it (technical sorta job that you had to have very specific experience to be able do) but some of my colleagues in administrative roles were replaced.

Smile, there's always a MacDonalds if the worst comes to the worst :eek:
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Re: My Job

About 10 years ago my mum missed out on a high profile promotion because she had been a the company for 10 years. Even though she was doing the job which she was applying for they gave it to someone else, fresh blood etc. Anyway he ****ed it up and they offered her the job after the 6 months. In general though your new to the school anyway, young, and if they get the same coming in for the interview you will stand out more purely because they know you. Also kids dont like new teaches coming in and out, i prefered familiarity at my school makes it alot easier, maybe stress the point.
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The have to offer the job out to the public by law.
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Re: My Job

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I think it's all a load of bollocks, but I think it's a part of this 'openess' stuff that seems to be flying around for teh last twenty years.
You make it sound as if 20 years isn't very much.

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Re: My Job

There is no way I would commute 1.5 hours to work. NO WAY.
30 mins I would be ok with but 1 hour max (in bad traffic or something)

I currently live 15 mins away from work.

If you'd taken the room in my flat you'd be about 30 mins away from Purley station (if that is where you work...)
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Unread 25 Jan 2006, 00:25   #13
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Re: My Job

i commute about 55 minsto uni everyday, but on way back can take 1 and half hours -2 hours its just a killer
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well thats just stupid isnt it alki, i commute a 5 minute walk to the centre of campus everyday, plus i dont kill the environment, nor waste money on transport!

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If you'd taken the room in my flat you'd be about 30 mins away from Purley station (if that is where you work...)
Yeah but Ste... you live in Croydon
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Re: My Job

I commute 1 1/2 hours to guildford every day.

And if there's one thing that is true, it tires teh living **** out of you.
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Yeah but Ste... you live in Croydon
it's not that bad...
You can have a decent night out in Croydon.
Lots of pubs and shops etc.
15 mins from central London...

If you lived in another part of it then yeh, it's shit. But this part isn't bad at all.
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well thats just stupid isnt it alki, i commute a 5 minute walk to the centre of campus everyday, plus i dont kill the environment, nor waste money on transport!

no but you waste money on accomodation and food which i dont
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Re: My Job

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London commuting is messed up. Although at the moment it only takes me 55 minutes, but that's because I'm against the flow of traffic (I go from Zone 2 to Zone 5).

It shouldn't really take longer than 30 minutes to get to work, if you want to remain sane, imo.
That is true. But what should take me 10 mins (by taxi) to go to work takes me 30-45mins simply because of the current traffic combined with roadworks and the infrequency of buses, delays/cancellations of trains, etc.

Even today, I left my house at 10am and I expected to be at uni by 11:30 the most and what happens? I stroll in to my university at 12:15 missing yet another lecture thanks to cancellations on South Eastern Trains.
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i could walk to work in an hour and a half


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I found luton is one of the worst places to get too. The M1 clogs up all the way around it. Leaving a mere 10/15minutes late could lead to an extra hour sitting in heavy traffic at 7/8am
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That is true. But what should take me 10 mins (by taxi) to go to work takes me 30-45mins simply because of the current traffic combined with roadworks and the infrequency of buses, delays/cancellations of trains, etc.
Will the proposed extension of transport in Hackney / East London help you at all?
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In Birmingham its a 15 minute bus ride for me to the centre of the city from my dads house and a 30 min train from my mums house, both have services running every 15 minutes and pretty much always work. I know Birmingham is smaller than London, but still it works in Birmingham (although sometimes my bus gets stuck in traffic right in the city centre by the big sorting office thingy) other than that shit runs fine. If im feeling flush ill catch a cab for about 4 and be in the centre in 5 minutes through the back roads. GOD I LOVE BIRMINGHAM!
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In Birmingham its a 15 minute bus ride for me to the centre of the city from my dads house and a 30 min train from my mums house, both have services running every 15 minutes and pretty much always work.
Birmingham is smaller, of course it'll take less time to travel from the outside into the middle .

My buses run every 10 minutes, it's just I'm effectively going from the "centre" of London (Zone 2) to right on the outskirts (Zone 6). Similar to Dante.

Birmingham is nowhere near as exciting, diverse or interesting as London - accept it and move here when you graduate!
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It takes me nearly 10 minutes to walk into town.
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Will the proposed extension of transport in Hackney / East London help you at all?
It will help considerably (the closest station to my house will be the new Hoxton station and that's 5 mins away). At least I'll be able to get to New Cross without having to walk to the bus stop (10 mins) and wait for a bus (depends on the time of the day).

The only problem with the East London Line Extention is that they keep delaying it (won't be done until 2010/11 apparently). Also it won't take me to Central London (Central line is the one).
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i could walk to work in an hour and a half


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It takes me two hours and fifty minutes to walk home from the pub. Longer when I'm not drunk for some bizzare reason.
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Birmingham is smaller, of course it'll take less time to travel from the outside into the middle .

My buses run every 10 minutes, it's just I'm effectively going from the "centre" of London (Zone 2) to right on the outskirts (Zone 6). Similar to Dante.

Birmingham is nowhere near as exciting, diverse or interesting as London - accept it and move here when you graduate!
lies birmingham>london but knowing me i might end down in london ;/
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Hope everything turns out all right, TK.
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