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Unread 25 Mar 2016, 12:07   #101
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Re: R66 who will win

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Do they? Pretty sure its every round they have extra planets. Pretty sure its not every round other alliances work together.

They simply arent the best alliance because they need these extra planets. Doesn't really matter what BB or yourself says. That is truth.

It's like playing a football match with 7 players vs 11. Gaps!

BF are a far better, well equipped alliance, certainly defensively and i do not see much difference in their offense and alliance structure having faced both.
Ok then i am pretty sure every round alliances are working together and ult has no extra planets. They are the best alliance when there is no better alliance. Ult is playing a football match with 11 vs 5 teams at the same time. I do not see much difference in p3ng and ND in both offensive and defensive capabilities after facing both.

See how fkin easy it is to write down crap based on your own experience??

Alliance stats are available of previous rounds, stats which show ult is superior compared to any other alliance in nearly every round. You are 1 of the people which makes it easier for atheists to claim there is no god. If you (we) are his/her greatest creation then it seems he/she is not very powerful.
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Unread 25 Mar 2016, 13:31   #102
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Ok then i am pretty sure every round alliances are working together and ult has no extra planets. They are the best alliance when there is no better alliance. Ult is playing a football match with 11 vs 5 teams at the same time. I do not see much difference in p3ng and ND in both offensive and defensive capabilities after facing both.

See how fkin easy it is to write down crap based on your own experience??

Alliance stats are available of previous rounds, stats which show ult is superior compared to any other alliance in nearly every round. You are 1 of the people which makes it easier for atheists to claim there is no god. If you (we) are his/her greatest creation then it seems he/she is not very powerful.
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Unread 25 Mar 2016, 13:37   #103
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Re: R66 who will win

Its funny how you quote stats show this when all they do is show how the actions of having support makes you appear better than one actually is...

Not many people outside of Ult think they are as much of a force than those inside proclaim. Indeed if they were a normal tag like the rest of us I think most would acknowledge that they don't even have the strongest core as a hole. The support round after round elevates them to appear stronger than they actually are. It's just fact. You cannot argue with fact, even though you will all try to! Having that support allows them to appear better in eor statistics that you speak of. If you do not realise this then there's no hope for you. Best you stay inside that bubble of yours!
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Unread 25 Mar 2016, 14:18   #104
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Its funny how you quote stats show this when all they do is show how the actions of having support makes you appear better than one actually is...

Not many people outside of Ult think they are as much of a force than those inside proclaim. Indeed if they were a normal tag like the rest of us I think most would acknowledge that they don't even have the strongest core as a hole. The support round after round elevates them to appear stronger than they actually are. It's just fact. You cannot argue with fact, even though you will all try to! Having that support allows them to appear better in eor statistics that you speak of. If you do not realise this then there's no hope for you. Best you stay inside that bubble of yours!
Saying something is a fact doesn't automatically make it a fact.

We don't have many fans outside of Ult, and I can honestly say I couldn't care less. Obviously tough, everyone that wants to and has what it takes to play in Ult already is a member.

Seeing how we apparently outnumber the entire universe with our legion of support tags, this must mean the majority in the game thinks we are the best.

Sarcasm aside: Ultores doesn't have to throw around posts on forums trying to hide their own failure and seeking excuses where there are none.

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We fight for what we are worth and should counter inevitable blocks in any way we can. Fact is we will ALWAYS run away in the first few 100 ticks and will ALWAYS be blocked against as a result of that. This happens every round and we would be stupid if we did not try to prepare for that. The most certain way to prepare for this is to have everyone that wants to play with or for ult in our camp. If this means we'll have to field 2 tags, then this is exactly what we should be doing.

As long as the other capable alliances are willing to stagnate 2/3 of a round just to make 1 alliance not win, that alliance should do everything within the rules of the game to try to offset that imbalance.

Do you want fun rounds? Stop reading these boards and invest time in your alliance. Pa team has given you some extra tools to bring you closer to where the capable alliances are.

I hope next round we can see some fluent politics. If not, you can keep complaining about us having more then 60 planets while we have fun.
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Unread 25 Mar 2016, 15:09   #105
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Re: R66 who will win

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I do not see much difference in p3ng and ND in both offensive and defensive capabilities after facing both.
Really? Sure I think p3n was pretty dire last round but it was still statistically better than ND. p3n had a 53.5% recall rate vs ND's 37.7% while having higher incs per member. ND sent more attack fleets total but p3n's fleet movement per member was higher; 85.8 to 74.3.

Moreover I think p3n's performance last round in terms of activity at least was an aberration. Take the last 9 rounds (since p3n returned):
ND's average rank is 7.4 vs P3n's 3.6.
ND's recall rate is 40.6% vs P3n's 52.7%
ND's fleet activity is 73.2 vs P3n's 93.4
Of course such an aberration may be the start of a trend but I am not sure I would relegate p3n to the garbage dump just yet. Though there is a noticeable drop over the last few rounds, p3n was good when it returned, held up a few rounds and the trend seems to be a decline since.

Edit: Incidentally looking at this Ult is a cut above on most things except rank (we know why that is!) and fleet activity, the other big allies (CT, p3n, BF and FL) are very similar.
Averages again over 9 rounds - except for BF who only played 8:
Alliance /av rank/av tot incs/av incs per member/av recall rate/av fleet activity
Black Flag / 2.63 / 3239 / 55.9 / 56.4 / 80.8
Ultores / 2.78 / 4153 / 70.7 / 57.2 / 84.7
Conspiracy / 3 / 3317 / 56 / 51 / 84.5
P3nguins / 3.67 / 3113 / 57.6 / 52.7 / 93.4
Faceless / 4.46 / 2811 / 53.3 / 54.3 / 79.4

just because I had put the data into a spreadsheet anyway, worth the interest
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Unread 25 Mar 2016, 17:54   #106
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If we ever battle aliens I hope someone like Krypton will be our glorious leader.
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I'm just curious as to why p3n tagged up with 1/3 of their members at round start and then decide to fully tag up today. Seems a bit pointless?
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I'm just curious as to why p3n tagged up with 1/3 of their members at round start and then decide to fully tag up today. Seems a bit pointless?
We like to be unpredictable and as I doubt many people have all our cords based on the fact we haven't defended much.
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They don't need your coords if you're not defending.
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I'm just curious as to why p3n tagged up with 1/3 of their members at round start and then decide to fully tag up today. Seems a bit pointless?
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The winning alliance, the top ranked alliance at tick stop is the best alliance at said round. Stating otherwise would be delusional.
Unless PA team would start having rounds that last untill all the opposition give up, this will be what counts
I found this amusing earlier while going through my other account i noticed this post from you Butcher in regards to you arguing that any alliance that ends the round first is in theory, saw as the best alliance period. So after last round and pretty much declaring that Ultras was the better allie etc do you see this statement as still true? Plus, you did in theory claim we didn't deserve to win 2 rounds either (p3nguins) the rounds we ended first. This doesn't have much relevance here i just wanted to point out how your opinion seems to change like the wind.
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Saying something is a fact doesn't automatically make it a fact.

We don't have many fans outside of Ult, and I can honestly say I couldn't care less. Obviously tough, everyone that wants to and has what it takes to play in Ult already is a member.

Seeing how we apparently outnumber the entire universe with our legion of support tags, this must mean the majority in the game thinks we are the best.

Sarcasm aside: Ultores doesn't have to throw around posts on forums trying to hide their own failure and seeking excuses where there are none.

In my opinion:
We fight for what we are worth and should counter inevitable blocks in any way we can. Fact is we will ALWAYS run away in the first few 100 ticks and will ALWAYS be blocked against as a result of that. This happens every round and we would be stupid if we did not try to prepare for that. The most certain way to prepare for this is to have everyone that wants to play with or for ult in our camp. If this means we'll have to field 2 tags, then this is exactly what we should be doing.

As long as the other capable alliances are willing to stagnate 2/3 of a round just to make 1 alliance not win, that alliance should do everything within the rules of the game to try to offset that imbalance.

Do you want fun rounds? Stop reading these boards and invest time in your alliance. Pa team has given you some extra tools to bring you closer to where the capable alliances are.

I hope next round we can see some fluent politics. If not, you can keep complaining about us having more then 60 planets while we have fun.
You are in self-denial just as everyone within your alliance appears to be. Put aside that it's false that you always get into the lead, the only reason you do benefit early, as well as throughout the round, is because you do have 90 members each round claiming off your raids.

Your alliance is the route of the problem. Allowing cheats into your alliance (yes that's different to me saying you are actually cheating) combined with extra members/tags. There isn't even intention to block each round. You force people to do so, not by playing well, but by outnumbering everyone. The initial intention/stagnation starts and ends with yourselves with your extra planets. This does not signify greatness or strength, it signifies weakness. Both in mind and application.

There is no point in anyone investing any real time or effort into this game while it continues, because why would we?

There isn't much fun in playing now. I play it for the people I'm a part of, nothing else. I will sooner walk away as soon as they do.

So I do not think you can blame others for harbouring ill feeling towards Ultores. The day certain individuals grow a sense of right and wrong, we will all begin to benefit
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Allowing cheats into your alliance (yes that's different to me saying you are actually cheating) combined with extra members/tags.
Citation needed or it didn't happen.
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Your alliance is the route of the problem. Allowing cheats into your alliance (yes that's different to me saying you are actually cheating) combined with extra members/tags. There isn't even intention to block each round. You force people to do so, not by playing well, but by outnumbering everyone. The initial intention/stagnation starts and ends with yourselves with your extra planets. This does not signify greatness or strength, it signifies weakness. Both in mind and application.
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Your alliance is the route of the problem. Allowing cheats into your alliance (yes that's different to me saying you are actually cheating) combined with extra members/tags. There isn't even intention to block each round. You force people to do so, not by playing well, but by outnumbering everyone. The initial intention/stagnation starts and ends with yourselves with your extra planets. This does not signify greatness or strength, it signifies weakness. Both in mind and application.
if a convicted man served his punishment and has yet to show any sign of cheating (hey he's still open go speak to ace if you think this shouldn't be the case) then surly innocent until proven guilty?

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wow cry much, it's everyone else's fault... fact is you have to invest time and effort to win if that's your mentality then piss off and stop crying.

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There isn't much fun in playing now. I play it for the people I'm a part of, nothing else. I will sooner walk away as soon as they do.
good for you, enjoy your social network, but realize this is a game and pretty much all multiplayer games encourage some form of competition they'd be pretty boring otherwise.

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Your post sums up the whole problem nicely. Thank you!

Enjoy the meaningless win then. When the rest of us are gone, what will you do? Roid PATSA as three 30 man tags claiming from the same raids!
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Your post sums up the whole problem nicely. Thank you!

Enjoy the meaningless win then. When the rest of us are gone, what will you do? Roid PATSA as three 30 man tags claiming from the same raids!
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Hah! This Krypton guy makes me lol, bless him. he's got to be a closet Ult fan, the denial is strong in this one!
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It's OK to like us Krypton, if you want, i'll speak with Agar3s to see if we have a spot for you?
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I don't want to give out my password or have to install teamviewer.
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I found this amusing earlier while going through my other account i noticed this post from you Butcher in regards to you arguing that any alliance that ends the round first is in theory, saw as the best alliance period. So after last round and pretty much declaring that Ultras was the better allie etc do you see this statement as still true? Plus, you did in theory claim we didn't deserve to win 2 rounds either (p3nguins) the rounds we ended first. This doesn't have much relevance here i just wanted to point out how your opinion seems to change like the wind.
The one with the best score at tick end is the winner of the round.
Did Norse deserve to win last round? fck no, its a shame for the entire game its gone this far.
Same with R59 for that matter, BF/Ultores(HI AGAR3S)/P3nguins being allied the entire round, it isnt realy inviting for others to bother playing.

There is obviously more to PA than who is the best attacker/defender/whatever, this "x-factor" makes it entertaining at times, or just silly at other times.
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Did Norse deserve to win last round? fck no, its a shame for the entire game its gone this far.
There are a lot of things to be ashamed of, that is not remotely close to one of those things.
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There are a lot of things to be ashamed of, that is not remotely close to one of those things.
You know im not pointing fingers at Norse, but at p3ng/ND/CT/FL.
The top3 planets had 71 incommings combined in total,
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You know im not pointing fingers at Norse, but at p3ng/ND/CT/FL.
The top3 planets had 71 incommings combined in total,
Why are those alliances to blame and not the rest of them?

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I would have thought that obvious; we fought for first place by attempting to beat the alliance that did deserve to win and prevented them from doing so. I don't think BB's issue is with our lack of action towards Norse.
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I would have thought that obvious; we fought for first place by attempting to beat the alliance that did deserve to win and prevented them from doing so. I don't think BB's issue is with our lack of action towards Norse.
Just he's heartbroken the alliance who wont have him even though he reaaaaaally wants to join didn't win?
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3% of p3nguins total fleets went towards Norse, the alliance wich had the biggest average throughout the round basicly.
When, from a outsiders view, a group of alliance spends majority of the round just to ruin for other alliances, something has to be done with this game or how the winner is decided.

There should be no possibole way to end the round without having any incommings at all basicly, if that happaneds then the politics is broken.
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3% of p3nguins total fleets went towards Norse, the alliance wich had the biggest average throughout the round basicly.
When, from a outsiders view, a group of alliance spends majority of the round just to ruin for other alliances, something has to be done with this game or how the winner is decided.

There should be no possibole way to end the round without having any incommings at all basicly, if that happaneds then the politics is broken.
And Peng behind Faceless was the second most hostile to Norse. Ult hit Norse with 2% Bows 3% HR .1%

I repeat my question that you ignored, why is it p3ngs problem? We wanted to win, in order to win you have to go through ULT. Therefore we hit ULT. Why would we hit Norse and have them start hitting P3ng when we had fights elsewhere?
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And Peng behind Faceless was the second most hostile to Norse. Ult hit Norse with 2% Bows 3% HR .1%

I repeat my question that you ignored, why is it p3ngs problem? We wanted to win, in order to win you have to go through ULT. Therefore we hit ULT. Why would we hit Norse and have them start hitting P3ng when we had fights elsewhere?
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BB if we had been fifth all round then yes your reasoning would be correct, but for a good chunk of it we were second and fighting for first. We lost that fight and ended up fifth but continued to support our allies who took over our role. How is this not obvious, or are you trying to imitate a goldfish when I am sure you remember perfectly well?
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BB if we had been fifth all round then yes your reasoning would be correct, but for a good chunk of it we were second and fighting for first. We lost that fight and ended up fifth but continued to support our allies who took over our role. How is this not obvious, or are you trying to imitate a goldfish when I am sure you remember perfectly well?
Supporting your allies(FL?), unless you were allied with Norse aswell, would been to let FL(?) XP land norse or atleast take some value off their roids
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They just forgot to plan in all the "we hate ult soup", but thats ok.

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Supporting your allies(FL?), unless you were allied with Norse aswell, would been to let FL(?) XP land norse or atleast take some value off their roids
Actually we attempted to a few days before the end - we attacked Norse with the understanding that fl would come after us but fl backed out making it a pointless effort. Whether it would have been successful even with both is questionable but there was the effort made on our part. I am sure fl did what they thought was the right thing for them at the time. We of course know better with hindsight but you are wrong if you somehow interpret Norse winning as being a result of p3n not being willing to help fl.

Chimpie your forum posts are becoming incomprehensible. Surely the problem should be the other way around; we planned too much in the 'we hate ult soup' and ignored the other possibilities as a result of it. Failed to see the strategic wood for the tactical trees - or at least that would have been the case if we were all agreed that fl did not see it coming but since they say they did...
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P3n was actually the only ally to engage Norse all rnd
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Actually we attempted to a few days before the end - we attacked Norse with the understanding that fl would come after us but fl backed out making it a pointless effort
Are we thinking about the same timeframe? The last 2-3 days we hit nothing but Norse.


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if we were all agreed that fl did not see it coming but since they say they did...
Unfortunately there are no Whatsapp logs, but even us members were talking about that possible outcome a few days ahead of time simply due to their roidlead. Do remember that we ourselves employed the same 'tactic' less than a year prior, is it that hard to believe we did in fact see it coming?

Regardless, I still believe we made the right moves at the right times, it was our shortcomings in other departments, namely failure to find the recall button, that led to them overtaking us.
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Are we thinking about the same timeframe? The last 2-3 days we hit nothing but Norse.
Morning of February 25th; I made a bet with Sandvold on whether fl would launch with us. I lost.
Iirc p3n attacked norse on our own on the last weekend and failed, then went back to attacking ult. Third last day you tried to xp norse while we kept on ult. When you did not do as well as hoped us and you were going to attack norse on 2nd last night but you after discussions with norse decided that would not be in your best interests and went after someone else (dont remember who, probably someone like HR with poorer def) instead.
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Chimpie your forum posts are becoming incomprehensible. Surely the problem should be the other way around; we planned too much in the 'we hate ult soup' and ignored the other possibilities as a result of it. Failed to see the strategic wood for the tactical trees - or at least that would have been the case if we were all agreed that fl did not see it coming but since they say they did...
I'd mark it down as miscommunication based on my poor english skills. What i ment was that they forgot to plan on countering other eventualities than ult winning. Granted you have to beat ult to win, but you have to beat the others too. Proves that this game is about more than only stopping ult to win, you have to stop everyone else aswell, no matter how idle they might be etc. Who said pa was dead?

Back on topic tho. This round is anyones game. Atm CT leads the XP race and BF leads the value race(and the political race by the looks of things). Ult ofc leads the awesomeness race. 800 ticks to go
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