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4 Jun 2009, 19:31
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Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
I've been kind of on the outside looking in for this round (like last round). I'm playing but I may as well not have.
I'm been keenly reading these forums over the last few weeks and watching sandmans on a daily basis.
I was wondering what the community would say has been the worst ever political decisions. I think over the past few rounds there have been quite a few that have just handed ASC the round BUT...
I was thinking that the xvx decision a few weeks back must rank amongst the worst ever in PA history.
What do you think?
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4 Jun 2009, 19:36
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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4 Jun 2009, 19:57
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
The BGs blocking for a cause they could have achieved far easier by forming an alliance preround.
Handing round 9 to EET by deciding to roid WNAR galaxies, Phraktos deciding to backstab in round 10.5 ... where to continue ...
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4 Jun 2009, 20:39
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Heartless
The BGs blocking for a cause they could have achieved far easier by forming an alliance preround.
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do you not start to feel like a stuck record?
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4 Jun 2009, 21:26
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Mek
do you not start to feel like a stuck record?
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Same could easily be said for the initial post.
How are we defining a bad political decision? By almost any standards the xVx/Asc NAP has turned out reasonably well for both parties. I would have thought the worst political decisions were those that lead to the collapse of the decision makers alliance, there are several examples in pa history, whatever the xVx/Asc NAP was it certainly is not that.
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4 Jun 2009, 21:38
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
round 9 - vvomm (iirc: vision, virus, olympians, ministry, m...*) taking on the fury/elysium/etc type alliances in a nice block war. Problem was the round was won by the fury (or eclipse, whatever) type people in no time at all. To give you some idea, back then it was still private galaxies, and my galaxy was the #1 vvomm gal ranked #69. I think Mitre was the top vvomm planet ranked around #250 (and he had naps with the enemy for most of the round...).
Whatever the vvomm people did politically must have been diabolical!
Or you could look at r7 and the xanadu/LDK group fighting vs legion/fury/titans/etc. That was an immensely one sided afair as well (only one xan/ldk gal in the top100, etc) - though xan/ldk did own c2 and c18 - gotta love BULL.
In my opinion horrid politics done in these round far outweigh anything in the modern game...
* something makes me think it was madcows!
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4 Jun 2009, 21:38
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Mek
do you not start to feel like a stuck record?
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OP totally started this!
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4 Jun 2009, 21:54
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
Everyone agreeing to play solo in r11!
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4 Jun 2009, 22:24
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
I'd say Titans deciding to go it alone in round 7 was pretty suicidal. Not sure if it was stupid, as they probably knew the consequences and didn't give a flying one.
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4 Jun 2009, 22:39
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VtS killerbee
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Zoro
I was thinking that the xvx decision a few weeks back must rank amongst the worst ever in PA history.
What do you think?
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oooh you havent talked to any xvx hc/officer clearleh, apprently xvx didnt want to win a round (rofl), asc beating them is all part of the plan (yeah i read that in the joker's voice too). if you believe that then you may also be interested to hear rabbits are the handmaidens of the fairy queen and the stars are god's daisy chain.
how on earth asc can point the finger at the BGs for not creating tags capable of winning and not fall about laughing at xvx for throwing away a certain win by napping a beaten ally i will never know. (no iam not interested in the inevitable flame from some asc guy about blah blah EC blah blah something else whatever, its as easy to see coming as a britney breakdown)
btw despite a rumoured emofest in asc, i heard nothing about the following:
THE UTTER STUPIDITY of BPING ISILDURX (7:3:2) has been decided to leave the alliance. This is an automated mail to ensure you are aware of their departure. They provided the following reason:
I am leaving because this alliance is a disgrace to what it was and rather than take responsibility and be involved in resolving the problems that have cropped up I'd rather leave you all to fester in your own incompetence.
real/fake/the story behind it?
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4 Jun 2009, 23:05
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
Same could easily be said for the initial post.
How are we defining a bad political decision? By almost any standards the xVx/Asc NAP has turned out reasonably well for both parties. I would have thought the worst political decisions were those that lead to the collapse of the decision makers alliance, there are several examples in pa history, whatever the xVx/Asc NAP was it certainly is not that.
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A political decision that snatches defeat from the jaws of certain victory is as bad as it gets IMHO
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4 Jun 2009, 23:24
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Miles Teg
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Thatcher
THE UTTER STUPIDITY of BPING ISILDURX (7:3:2) has been decided to leave the alliance. This is an automated mail to ensure you are aware of their departure. They provided the following reason:
I am leaving because this alliance is a disgrace to what it was and rather than take responsibility and be involved in resolving the problems that have cropped up I'd rather leave you all to fester in your own incompetence.
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crashing score. general level of shitness of asc this round. those kind of things.
he's right though. he's not right to emo so much.
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5 Jun 2009, 00:14
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The brother of Spammer
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Rinoa
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was that in r17?
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5 Jun 2009, 09:12
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Knight Theamion
crashing score. general level of shitness of asc this round. those kind of things.
he's right though. he's not right to emo so much.
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It wasn't an emotional decision in the sense of something I randomly decided upon based on that one incident. The fact I've spent rounds trying to instill a culture of responsibility in ascendancy only to see people still trying to blame each other for crashing is pretty depressing. It's not your fault, it's our fault. It's not your score, it's our score. It's not my alliance, it's our alliance. I said pre-round I wouldn't be stepping back up to ensure things ran smoothly and I reached the stage where it was either that or just divorce myself entirely from the current ascendancy incarnation. It's rather hard to just sit there and watch people piss all over something you put a lot of time into simply because they don't really give a ****.
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5 Jun 2009, 10:19
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BlueTuba
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
It wasn't an emotional decision in the sense of something I randomly decided upon based on that one incident. The fact I've spent rounds trying to instill a culture of responsibility in ascendancy only to see people still trying to blame each other for crashing is pretty depressing. It's not your fault, it's our fault. It's not your score, it's our score. It's not my alliance, it's our alliance. I said pre-round I wouldn't be stepping back up to ensure things ran smoothly and I reached the stage where it was either that or just divorce myself entirely from the current ascendancy incarnation. It's rather hard to just sit there and watch people piss all over something you put a lot of time into simply because they don't really give a ****.
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5 Jun 2009, 10:27
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
It wasn't an emotional decision in the sense of something I randomly decided upon based on that one incident. The fact I've spent rounds trying to instill a culture of responsibility in ascendancy only to see people still trying to blame each other for crashing is pretty depressing. It's not your fault, it's our fault. It's not your score, it's our score. It's not my alliance, it's our alliance. I said pre-round I wouldn't be stepping back up to ensure things ran smoothly and I reached the stage where it was either that or just divorce myself entirely from the current ascendancy incarnation. It's rather hard to just sit there and watch people piss all over something you put a lot of time into simply because they don't really give a ****.
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wow NEWSFLASH asc is the same as every other alliance and your model just leaves it open to even more blaming eachother instead of blaming HC in regular set ups.
Is this your first emo quit? I think a lot of people will see it as that anyway
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5 Jun 2009, 10:34
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Munkee
wow NEWSFLASH asc is the same as every other alliance and your model just leaves it open to even more blaming eachother instead of blaming HC in regular set ups.
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Nah we just got infected by the shitness from every other alliance after r30.
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5 Jun 2009, 11:16
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
It's rather hard to just sit there and watch people piss all over something you put a lot of time into simply because they don't really give a ****.
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Could be worse though, at least you aren't in some alliance with a much larger percentage of clowns.
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5 Jun 2009, 11:24
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BlueTuba
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Munkee
wow NEWSFLASH asc is the same as every other alliance and your model just leaves it open to even more blaming eachother instead of blaming HC in regular set ups.
Is this your first emo quit? I think a lot of people will see it as that anyway
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As we've outperformed everyone since starting on the BGs, I think we're doing quite well in spite of institutional failure. As much as JBG is right in everything he says (and I may be a target of everything he says!) the fact that we have no clear leader still means we're attacking and defending as normal.
By all means attack us as individuals; we have failed horribly. But our institution has kept us relatively strong where other alliances would have fallen apart. I'd contend it's actually quite resilient to failure.
Best alliance this round are SPOOOOON, by the way. They're probably playing how we should be, except in smaller numbers.
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5 Jun 2009, 11:38
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Dictator
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Considence
Nah we just got infected by the shitness from every other alliance after r30.
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You guys recruited them tho?
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5 Jun 2009, 14:18
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You've Seen The Light
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Thatcher
oooh you havent talked to any xvx hc/officer clearleh, apprently xvx didnt want to win a round (rofl), asc beating them is all part of the plan (yeah i read that in the joker's voice too). if you believe that then you may also be interested to hear rabbits are the handmaidens of the fairy queen and the stars are god's daisy chain.
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Yeah, as its highly unlikely any alliance would ever play PA without aiming or being bothered about the #1 alliance rank (rofl).... o wait, every single alliance including Asc couldnt care less about it.
Asc beating xVx or xVx beating Asc isnt part of any plan. The only plan for xVx was to have a fun round and they achieved that...
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how on earth asc can point the finger at the BGs for not creating tags capable of winning and not fall about laughing at xvx for throwing away a certain win by napping a beaten ally i will never know. (no iam not interested in the inevitable flame from some asc guy about blah blah EC blah blah something else whatever, its as easy to see coming as a britney breakdown)
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Asc point the finger at the BG's for not creating tags capable of winning as you're the only alliances who seem to think the #1 rank actually matters this round. You're trying to imply that xVx really wanted/wants the rank and that Asc is currently roiding constantly with no idle fleets to overtake Asc. When in reality, no-one cares..
Its also the fact that it was one of the BG's aims to try and stop Asc winning the #1 rank...
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Originally Posted by Zoro
A political decision that snatches defeat from the jaws of certain victory is as bad as it gets IMHO
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xVx hasnt been defeated? As far as i can see, they won the round with Asc?
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
It wasn't an emotional decision in the sense of something I randomly decided upon based on that one incident. The fact I've spent rounds trying to instill a culture of responsibility in ascendancy only to see people still trying to blame each other for crashing is pretty depressing. It's not your fault, it's our fault. It's not your score, it's our score. It's not my alliance, it's our alliance. I said pre-round I wouldn't be stepping back up to ensure things ran smoothly and I reached the stage where it was either that or just divorce myself entirely from the current ascendancy incarnation. It's rather hard to just sit there and watch people piss all over something you put a lot of time into simply because they don't really give a ****.
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Didnt you ever stop to think what 'mass recruiting' everybody would do?
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5 Jun 2009, 14:34
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Light
Didnt you ever stop to think what 'mass recruiting' everybody would do?
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Originally Posted by Me, in the post you quoted
I said pre-round I wouldn't be stepping back up to ensure things ran smoothly
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Also I'd say we recruited a higher number of first time ascendancy members last round and quite possibly in r28.
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5 Jun 2009, 17:25
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
We're up 8 members since round start.
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5 Jun 2009, 19:50
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Light
xVx hasnt been defeated? As far as i can see, they won the round with Asc?
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Maybe I somehow misunderstood, but are you trying to say that Asc and xVx are winning the round together? And that the combined forces of Asc and xVx will claim a shared victory?
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5 Jun 2009, 20:01
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You've Seen The Light
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Also I'd say we recruited a higher number of first time ascendancy members last round and quite possibly in r28.
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but last round had you? (Ive got no idea, im not Asc.. just commenting on looking from the outside but..) If you constantly mass recruit, you're not going to be able to push things on them that they'll remember, as it takes alot of pushing to get someone to stop thinking of themselves but rather for the alliance and only the alliance.
It became apparent as soon as this round started, that Asc was no longer the 'elite' group it used to be, but was a watered-down version of its former self. Although, that could of just been due to you (JBG) not doing the work anymore
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Maybe I somehow misunderstood, but are you trying to say that Asc and xVx are winning the round together? And that the combined forces of Asc and xVx will claim a shared victory?
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No, im saying that Asc and xVx are allied.. so its impossible for Asc to 'Defeat' xVx.
Its like saying America defeated Britain in World War 2 as they came out of it as the #1 superpower.. Its just lol.
The BG's got defeated, xVx did not.
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5 Jun 2009, 20:35
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Light
No, im saying that Asc and xVx are allied.. so its impossible for Asc to 'Defeat' xVx.
Its like saying America defeated Britain in World War 2 as they came out of it as the #1 superpower.. Its just lol.
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what the f**k are you smoking and where can i get some!
this is about bad political decisions, xvx were dead certs to win ally tag, top planet and top galaxys ....
and then you napped asc....
now asc (achi) is likely to get top planet, probably control top galaxys and may even win the alliance tag competition.
that is a staggering ****up no matter how many times you trot out the line 'you didnt wanna win etc etc', noone is believing you lol
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5 Jun 2009, 20:46
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The brother of Spammer
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
If Night Sky wasn't the wee sweetie that she is (there are some folk you just can't get mad at....Bless her ) I would also be putting the boot in.
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5 Jun 2009, 21:51
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Thatcher
what the f**k are you smoking and where can i get some!
this is about bad political decisions, xvx were dead certs to win ally tag, top planet and top galaxys ....
and then you napped asc....
now asc (achi) is likely to get top planet, probably control top galaxys and may even win the alliance tag competition.
that is a staggering ****up no matter how many times you trot out the line 'you didnt wanna win etc etc', noone is believing you lol
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Havent you noticed, its only the BG's who are saying xVx made a bad decision?
No-one in xVx is arguing against the decision or thinks the decision was bad. So you'll struggle to argue that its a bad political decision when all of xVx was happy with it and are still happy with it.
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Light
Havent you noticed, its only the BG's who are saying xVx made a bad decision?
No-one in xVx is arguing against the decision or thinks the decision was bad. So you'll struggle to argue that its a bad political decision when all of xVx was happy with it and are still happy with it.
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I am with Light on this one!
(I hate to be in one of her fleets though, they seem to die hard at times!)
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
So has JBG actually left ascendancy? Or is it just the kind of power trip I'd do in a similar position? [jester/munin removes everyone JBG doesn't like, could be 30+ ppl, and JBG plays as asc again as hc (yes, he's a hc!) - obviously once the round has finished]
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Thatcher
THE UTTER STUPIDITY of BPING ISILDURX (7:3:2) has been decided to leave the alliance. This is an automated mail to ensure you are aware of their departure. They provided the following reason:
I am leaving because this alliance is a disgrace to what it was and rather than take responsibility and be involved in resolving the problems that have cropped up I'd rather leave you all to fester in your own incompetence.
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I crashed my co, forgot that i'm in TOOT not in hirr.
I take the blame, now find a new topic to laugh at.
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5 Jun 2009, 23:22
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Light
Havent you noticed, its only the BG's who are saying xVx made a bad decision?
No-one in xVx is arguing against the decision or thinks the decision was bad. So you'll struggle to argue that its a bad political decision when all of xVx was happy with it and are still happy with it.
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'Only' the bg's which would leave Asc and xVx, Asc benefits hugely from your decision and I'm sure they can contain laughing at you untill after the round and xVX is you and I'm sure you don't want to believe you threw away a sure win to end up second but claim part of the win because you are 'allied' to the number 1.
Tbh Rock would deserve to claim the win more than you guys since they've been with Asc the whole round, you at best just attacked with them at the end to mob up some bg's.
The only way it was a good political move is if you count on playing next rounds too and you hope that by bowing down to Asc and letting them win now you earn the right to be their side kicks in the next rounds.
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
any point playing next round?
with asc having retarded hcs who loves them in both xvx and rock?
Will just be the same all over, wont it?
the 3 biggest alliances WILL work together. fun!
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
worst ever political PA decisions are those made by alliance Hc's which didnt recruit bread|
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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worst ever political PA decisions are those made by alliance Hc's which didnt recruit bread|
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6 Jun 2009, 09:43
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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So has JBG actually left ascendancy? Or is it just the kind of power trip I'd do in a similar position? [jester/munin removes everyone JBG doesn't like, could be 30+ ppl, and JBG plays as asc again as hc (yes, he's a hc!) - obviously once the round has finished]
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We were going to call it something else.
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6 Jun 2009, 09:56
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
[09:48] <+munkee> [09:47] * Topic is 'Saints have joined rock.. '
[09:48] <+munkee> [09:47] * Set by The-Ghost on Fri Jun 05 18:34:20
[09:48] <+munkee> oh it needs more context..
[09:48] <+munkee> [09:47] * Now talking in #rock.private
Im yet to see how bad a decision this might be?
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6 Jun 2009, 09:57
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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'Only' the bg's which would leave Asc and xVx, Asc benefits hugely from your decision and I'm sure they can contain laughing at you untill after the round and xVX is you and I'm sure you don't want to believe you threw away a sure win to end up second but claim part of the win because you are 'allied' to the number 1.
Tbh Rock would deserve to claim the win more than you guys since they've been with Asc the whole round, you at best just attacked with them at the end to mob up some bg's.
The only way it was a good political move is if you count on playing next rounds too and you hope that by bowing down to Asc and letting them win now you earn the right to be their side kicks in the next rounds.
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So its the worst political move ever? but both partys involved in the decision are happy with it? and the only people who think its a bad decision are those people who got pwned by it?
You think its a bad political decision, as it resulted in the BG's getting wtfpwned...
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6 Jun 2009, 10:27
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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or your mum
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she's worse at pa than you CBA!
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6 Jun 2009, 13:27
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
Everyone except Omen and Asc, with a speshal star to ND/CT, r30.
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Can people please stop pretending they have no chance of winning at tick 300, you just end up looking retarded later.
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6 Jun 2009, 16:43
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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wow NEWSFLASH asc is the same as every other alliance and your model just leaves it open to even more blaming eachother instead of blaming HC in regular set ups.
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Your so right Munkee, Asc setup is awful, so awful they have won 3 rounds in a row, and in this round when things are clearly **** they are #2 and at least close to xVx.
Ascendancy at its best is when the odds are down, thats the real difference between Ascendancy and any other alliance, they are like family, they might beat each other up some but when the chips are down they come together and rally.
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6 Jun 2009, 17:20
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Your so right Munkee, Asc setup is awful, so awful they have won 3 rounds in a row, and in this round when things are clearly **** they are #2 and at least close to xVx.
Ascendancy at its best is when the odds are down, thats the real difference between Ascendancy and any other alliance, they are like family, they might beat each other up some but when the chips are down they come together and rally.
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6 Jun 2009, 17:24
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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You still banned from priv chan?
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Let's be honest here munkee. This is the equivalent of someone who came somewhere in the middle of the pack in the last special olympics insulting carl lewis for not winning the gold medal.
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6 Jun 2009, 18:07
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Ascendancy at its best is when the odds are down, thats the real difference between Ascendancy and any other alliance, they are like family, they might beat each other up some but when the chips are down they come together and rally.
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You mean when the chips are down, JBG (and to a much lesser extent, a few people like Golan) go nuts to win. Much better to just glorify JBG & Golan instead of the asc-model.
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We were going to call it something else.
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Will it still be asc-like? Seems odd that the asc-core will leave asc to form an asc-copy instead of just kicking out people. Unless the asc-core is divided on this? Will Ascendancy (ie the current one, not your 'new alliance') still play?
I'm kinda wondering if you're lying/joking since there's no thread or anything about the demise of ascendancy But wishmaster isn't around to enlighten me and I'm too stupid to tell.
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6 Jun 2009, 18:12
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Will it still be asc-like? Seems odd that the asc-core will leave asc to form an asc-copy instead of just kicking out people. Unless the asc-core is divided on this? Will Ascendancy (ie the current one, not your 'new alliance') still play?
I'm kinda wondering if you're lying/joking since there's no thread or anything about the demise of ascendancy But wishmaster isn't around to enlighten me and I'm too stupid to tell.
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I don't really understand any of your questions so I'm just going to answer yes to all of them.
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6 Jun 2009, 19:02
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
okay, new my shit communication skills would bite me on the ass sooner or later I suppose I'll just sit around and wait for more information to gradually appear on AD somewhere!
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6 Jun 2009, 20:01
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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You still banned from priv chan?
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No im not but I deserve to be, I havent played PA in 4 weeks.
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6 Jun 2009, 20:48
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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Originally Posted by Newt
round 9 - vvomm (iirc: vision, virus, olympians, ministry, m...*) taking on the fury/elysium/etc type alliances in a nice block war. Problem was the round was won by the fury (or eclipse, whatever) type people in no time at all. To give you some idea, back then it was still private galaxies, and my galaxy was the #1 vvomm gal ranked #69. I think Mitre was the top vvomm planet ranked around #250 (and he had naps with the enemy for most of the round...).
Whatever the vvomm people did politically must have been diabolical!
Or you could look at r7 and the xanadu/LDK group fighting vs legion/fury/titans/etc. That was an immensely one sided afair as well (only one xan/ldk gal in the top100, etc) - though xan/ldk did own c2 and c18 - gotta love BULL.
In my opinion horrid politics done in these round far outweigh anything in the modern game...
* something makes me think it was madcows!
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We were worried about overblocking in both those rounds. Although I was a rather inactive Xanadu HC in r7, and semi active Ministry HC in the VVOMM thing, I do remember that was the reason. The other side didn't have those kind of reservations though (obviously)...
Tbh I cant even say I'm sorry about it. Imo it was the other sides fault for overkilling...FLEETNARWEETLOLOMG blocks take the piss tbh.
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6 Jun 2009, 21:50
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
I was Legion in r7, but in c18... my galaxy just got hopelessly bashed all round, as did the titans hc galaxy incluster. Talk about unlucky My alliance/block totally dominate the round, but I end up in a cluster with 3 bull galaxies. Round over.
Anyway, some things I don't understand in this thread....
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Handing round 9 to EET by deciding to roid WNAR galaxies,
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huh? that must completely pail in significance compared to vvomm's general ****up that round?
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I'd say Titans deciding to go it alone in round 7 was pretty suicidal. Not sure if it was stupid, as they probably knew the consequences and didn't give a flying one.
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Again, that must be insignificant compared to the xanadu ****up that round?
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6 Jun 2009, 22:18
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Re: Worst ever political PA decisions!!!
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I was Legion in r7, but in c18... my galaxy just got hopelessly bashed all round, as did the titans hc galaxy incluster. Talk about unlucky My alliance/block totally dominate the round, but I end up in a cluster with 3 bull galaxies. Round over.
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Hold the ****ing phone a minute. You've got 2 galaxies, one of which can call on Titans to focus on your cluster, and lets face it - they were not shit. Were you really unlucky, or just defeated?
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Again, that must be insignificant compared to the xanadu ****up that round?
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Xanadu were always going to lose round 7, we made absolutely sure of that after round 6. To reach a level where how annoying you are to work with ranks equal with the annoyance of sleep deprivation was a unique achievement, I have to say.
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