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Unread 10 Jun 2009, 00:54   #51
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Re: Round 32 Changes

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If the idea of smaller tags doesnt sit well with the people looking at the graph, then they also would see that the alliance limit is not needed.
Totally agreeing there. It's a limit that's not going to help anyone. It's been brought in to make "tags" comparable. Clearly that's not a way to do it. Basing a tag ranking on average score for example might be far more worthwhile, if it is counted properly. Maybe tag score cannot be expressed in terms of value and xp. Maybe there should just be a collection of different stats and then allow some sort of meta score for tags. We could go on about this for a very long time and we'd probably find flaws in every area. Then again that meta score just handed me an idea, let's see if I can write it down!
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Re: Round 32 Changes

Any method of measuring performance is arbitrarily, however once it is established, that will be the method we will play by and more importantly, that will be the objective played, instead of the deeper thought behind the measurement system.

You could do, instead of AVG(Tag. Score) do Total_Tag_Score/#players^2. With a minimum of 15 people playing.

Or do Total_Tag_Score/St.Dev(Tag_Score) or ....

you extrapolate the data as if each alliance has a thousand members and then you get the 99% confidence interval of actual alliance tag score, using the ingame alliance score as a n-sized sample. And then you only win when your actual tag is bigger with a 99% confidence then any other tag ....
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Unread 10 Jun 2009, 01:54   #53
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Re: Round 32 Changes

or suppress the alliances ranking... problem solved.
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Unread 10 Jun 2009, 02:13   #54
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shame out of tag deffing wasnt to be banned for r32.
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Unread 10 Jun 2009, 08:36   #55
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or suppress the alliances ranking... problem solved.
Yeah, except that people would just use their intel to determine how much score each alliance has.
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Unread 10 Jun 2009, 13:40   #56
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Re: Round 32 Changes

Why do the team keep making changes that make me wanna play less
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Unread 10 Jun 2009, 15:09   #57
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Re: Round 32 Changes

Weeee Terran XP FR Crash Fleet Am gonna own
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Unread 11 Jun 2009, 14:47   #58
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Re: Round 32 Changes

Christ. Attacking bigger planets is already giving you a good xp boost, this is such a huge increase to that its a joke. And in turn you make it harder for the people roided to gain it back. Maybe you should add a modifier that means you get more roidcap if your value rank is much higher than your size rank? Honestly, this suggestion is just as stupid as the one posted in the start of the thread.

I'm not someone that's low on XP normally or ever, but this is the wrong way to change stuff regardless of the aim. Does anyone actually want planet rankings where not getting inc is an even more important part than it is now?
Because that's what it is, a top planet losing a few waves at max cap has NO WAY to recover, regardless of activity. All he can do is wait for his value to drop, so he can attack others for decent xp/roid gain again.


On top of that, everyone will end up playing emp since certain races (mainly zik and terran) just cannot roid an equal value planet from another race but are easily roided for 30% by others. With the right kind of stats, maybe, just maybe it could work, but it would again require stats that took this into account (this round had stats that failed to adjust to alot lower salvage). Making a change like this before stats are final is just a kiss of death to the whole game.
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Unread 12 Jun 2009, 06:45   #60
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Re: Round 32 Changes

I gues the idea is to make round winners to be lucky of not being hit instead of active..

Might increase cr/bs usage.. depending on stats, but otherwise heh, Would not want to waste my gaming time when one raid can drop you out completely.. before it was one crash.. now it's one or two succesful waves on your planet what are ridiculously easy already to do due to ship targettings in stats.
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Unread 12 Jun 2009, 09:59   #61
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Re: Round 32 Changes

I was new again this round so am technically still a noob, but been reading other peoples posts, remember you're trying to attract new players not kill off old players, people have to be able to aim at a high ranking otherwise the game is intensively boring, remember that. If need be have a longer period inbetween rounds if it means the difference between cocked up stats and a playable game in the end. Please don't send the game to a Euthanasia clinic in Switzerland to be retired peacefully.
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Unread 22 Jun 2009, 13:51   #62
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Re: Round 32 Changes

1 - If the problem is xp whoring, take xp away. Then smaller planets can roid larger ones but the point then is to help them get roids to increase value at a faster rate, and make it harder for a top player to be a top player. Only problem here is xp whoring which increases core but not value and keeps suiciding low value for high xp caps.

2 - Another solution would to make xp incremental, if you have 10,000 xp then you would gain less xp per roid then someone with 500 xp.

3 - Or you could do what cut xp down a bit before and do it based on score and value, since xp whores gain score ut constantly have low value, their attacks will become less whorish possibly preventing it from being a "pure" tactic, involving xp as a small score factor, and still encouraging at least some value while encouraging eple to ht larger or equal sized targets.
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Re: Round 32 Changes

1. It's not.
2. XP = score, score is in the XP formula.
3. It is.
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Re: Round 32 Changes

lol.

I ve been to Capri / napoli for 9 days now. I get home, have been settled to a bp, and check the stats. I spend my regular 5mins to do so!

GOD! if I had known about this change, I would never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever play this round.

**** YOU APPOCOMASTER!

and now, my bp claims I m forced to play, and not allowed to quit. god.
worst change in a long time. sigh. You guys are doing a great job at killing pa!
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Re: Round 32 Changes

Mmm why make such rules...
Everyone starts the same, why disable the players that actually put more time in then the "noobs"? You are punishing your dedicated players to satisfy people that actually dont give a crap? Come on this is the most retarded rule ever.. sadly enough i didnt hear about this rule BEFORE someone paid a credit for me.
Why not just close the game for people who ended too high in the past! So the noobs can finish up higher!!!
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Why not just close the game for people who ended too high in the past! So the noobs can finish up higher!!!
Thats up for round 33. No worries!
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i think most people (including me) attack people who are smaller to try and increase the chance of landing and getting easier roids.
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i think most people (including me) attack people who are smaller to try and increase the chance of landing and getting easier roids.
Yes, and big planets often get big by attacking small planets as they are almost definitely going to get through. This makes small planets "good" targets, and they end up getting bashed. Elviz hasn't won 4 rounds by attacking big planets man.
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3 fleeting on nub targets ftw!
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Intuitively, think of it as "ship orders start off as counting towards value the same as resources, and they increase until they end up counting the same as complete ships".
I just spent ~3 mil res and dropped ~15-20k value, which shouldn't happen according to your explanation.
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Wasn't there some talk of value being added according to the progress of the production....... starting at 0 when the order is first placed and steadily increasing towards 100% as the ships approach completion?

Although it would have made more sense to start at the value of the resources rather than at 0.

<Edit> Hmmm..... perhaps I should have read the quote from Appoco that you included in your post. In any event, you're right - it's not working that way.
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Re: Round 32 Changes

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Everyone starts the same, why disable the players that actually put more time in then the "noobs"? You are punishing your dedicated players to satisfy people that actually dont give a crap? Come on this is the most retarded rule ever.. sadly enough i didnt hear about this rule BEFORE someone paid a credit for me.
That seems a bit presumptious? How can you be sure those noobs don't give a crap just because they don't voice their opinions as loudly as the "top tier" players here?

Maybe they just get discouraged more and more by being farmed over and over by the players that are dedicate to roid them dry?

Maybe this rule will help them by getting some inc off them and making their landings (if they manage to prevail against the def, which - granted - is up for discussion) more joyful events?
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