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Unread 23 Mar 2009, 19:09   #51
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Re: Are YOU blind?

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Lol, overestimating Asc? downplaying ND?
Even though im not playing this round, or got any insight on it at all except stats from sandman.
Asc got a ~30k roid lead on ND, and got the experince and determination to win this round, after won almost every round previous to this one. Asc is running away with the run win, because in my opinion, they are way more determinated than both ND and CT compined together. Another factor is aswell that they have built up a MASSIVE roid lead.
Score is not about the full roids, but about the tag. The top 60. We are on par with NewDawn with that. So your statement is wrong on that point. The rest of your point is very subjective and shows a lot of bias.
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Re: Are YOU blind?

Today Ascendancy got incomings from 4 alliances, the first waves just landed.
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Today Ascendancy got incomings from 4 alliances, the first waves just landed.
And how much salvage will those waves give you?
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Score is not about the full roids, but about the tag. The top 60. We are on par with NewDawn with that. So your statement is wrong on that point. The rest of your point is very subjective and shows a lot of bias.
so basicly, your roids are mostly on the 40 smallest planets? and given that, those would prolly be the easiest to target but gives the lowest amount of XP.
I dont know at what tick the ticks stop, but claiming that asc isnt in a very very good position history and looking at the current stats of the game is just BS

if i understood it correctly, ND has a combined score of 525 mill, and tag score of 386.
Asc cobined score is close to 648, plus a 24k roid lead.
I dont know how much that would be in fleet score, but lets say around 50 million plus the 24k roidlead. are you still not in a very good position(or as i would say it, cruising in to another round victory)?
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And how much salvage will those waves give you?
Apparently a ****load. It seems everyone does want us to win after all. Thanks guys.
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Today Ascendancy got incomings from 4 alliances, the first waves just landed.
If these 4 alliances continue the raidings of asc, they might not be in roid lead next week.
Of course if fleet crashes was so bad, they could keep their lead maybe 10 more days.
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so basicly, your roids are mostly on the 40 smallest planets? and given that, those would prolly be the easiest to target but gives the lowest amount of XP.
I dont know at what tick the ticks stop, but claiming that asc isnt in a very very good position history and looking at the current stats of the game is just BS

if i understood it correctly, ND has a combined score of 525 mill, and tag score of 386.
Asc cobined score is close to 648, plus a 24k roid lead.
I dont know how much that would be in fleet score, but lets say around 50 million plus the 24k roidlead. are you still not in a very good position(or as i would say it, cruising in to another round victory)?
We're in a great position. It's not the position I would have asked for pre-tick to be at 9 days before the round ends, but it's definitely not as terrible as some idiots (Theam) are making it out to be.

At the same time, it's not as good as some others (you) are trying to make out. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that we have what it takes to win. However, we had a big gap to make up on our tag score. This went faster than expected (in fact, several people were displaying outright astonshiment in #ascendancy today, several hours after we'd gone up to highest tag score). The challenge now will be to hold our lead against the other top5 alliances. Again, I firmly believe that we can achieve victory this round, but implying that we've already won is just silly.

If we hold our lead until the end of ticks, some people will look back and ignore everything that happened between now and then, concluding 'it was a foregone conclusion, Ascendancy had won long before they even got top tag score'. And I'll sit back and smile, because these people have made a great contribution to our reputation as an undefeatable alliance.

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We're in a great position. It's not the position I would have asked for pre-tick to be at 9 days before the round ends, but it's definitely not as terrible as some idiots (Theam) are making it out to be.

At the same time, it's not as good as some others (you) are trying to make out. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that we have what it takes to win. However, we had a big gap to make up on our tag score. This went faster than expected (in fact, several people were displaying outright astonshiment in #ascendancy today, several hours after we'd gone up to highest tag score). The challenge now will be to hold our lead against the other top4 alliances. Again, I firmly believe that we can achieve victory this round, but implying that we've already won is just silly.

If we hold our lead until the end of ticks, some people will look back and ignore everything that happened between now and then, concluding 'it was a foregone conclusion, Ascendancy had won long before they even got top tag score'. And I'll sit back and smile, because these people have made a great contribution to our reputation as an undefeatable alliance.
So what position would you like to be in? 2nd in tag score, 4th total score, the leading roid alliance having a roidlead around 1/5 of your current roidcount , or 3rd in tag score and 2nd in total score + the leading alliance having roid lead over you on well over 1/3 of your current roidcount?

It is just as good as i made it out to be, just looking at the stats and looking at past experince including determination to secure round wins. Ive never implied that you allready had won the round, i was implying that it would take some serious orginazing will and maybe orginazing skills to change the point where the current top5 is heading tag score wise.

Everything what happend between now and then dosnt matter as the current way of deciding a winner is what alliance is number one tagwise at the last tick.
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Re: Are YOU blind?

For starters I would like to not have 4 alliances target us. Salvage is nice and all, but I like my sleep.
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So what position would you like to be in? 2nd in tag score, 4th total score, the leading roid alliance having a roidlead around 1/5 of your current roidcount , or 3rd in tag score and 2nd in total score + the leading alliance having roid lead over you on well over 1/3 of your current roidcount?
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Re: Are YOU blind?

Sorry to ask the question, but which top4 alliances are attacking you?
I know ND/Omen are.
Which others? as far as i've been aware from these forums, CT are taking a backseat aswell as a few others. Just confused as to which "top4" alliances are attacking Ascendancy.

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Sorry to ask the question, but which top4 alliances are attacking you?
I know ND/Omen are.
Which others? as far as i've been aware from these forums, CT are taking a backseat aswell as a few others. Just confused as to which "top4" alliances are attacking Ascendancy.

Please enlighten me.
was probably meant "4 biggerst alliances besides ascendancy", cause vgn is actualy ranked 5th.

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Sorry to ask the question, but which top4 alliances are attacking you?
I know ND/Omen are.
Which others? as far as i've been aware from these forums, CT are taking a backseat aswell as a few others. Just confused as to which "top4" alliances are attacking Ascendancy.

Please enlighten me.
Oops, OlaTa is correct. I meant the 4 other top5 alliances. CT, ND, Omen and VGN to be precise.
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For starters I would like to not have 4 alliances target us. Salvage is nice and all, but I like my sleep.
u guys must have had some nice salvage today :P Saw plenty of ppl crashing into you guys. Its amazing when it comes to ascendancy and crashes. Its like to magnets. Wish i had one of those :P Salvage is always welcome ^^
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ct and vgn hit us too last night .......... find it surprising you didnt or is that just a poor attempt at propaganda ?
No i didn't no. Don't think CT hit u full force though, i've seen their fleets cropping up everywhere, Asc seemed to cope more than fine with it though!
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I know lokken wouldn't appreciate mass gloating or anything so i won't ask anyone to post battle reports here but if someone could PM me some in a readable format as i don't have a planet it would be much appreciated.
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I know lokken wouldn't appreciate mass gloating or anything so i won't ask anyone to post battle reports here but if someone could PM me some in a readable format as i don't have a planet it would be much appreciated.
Ascendancy (or any alliance) are welcome to post Breps of their own planets, but not them landing on someone elses. Provided you're within the rules and aren't getting in the way of my latest "life's unfair, deal with it" initiative, I've no problem.
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No i didn't no. Don't think CT hit u full force though, i've seen their fleets cropping up everywhere, Asc seemed to cope more than fine with it though!
CT hit a galaxy with 8 Ascendancy members in it; I'd say that's hitting Ascendancy. Obviously their fleets will be cropping up all over the place when they're not exactly full out going to war with us, but they're still hitting Ascendancy...
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I know lokken wouldn't appreciate mass gloating or anything so i won't ask anyone to post battle reports here but if someone could PM me some in a readable format as i don't have a planet it would be much appreciated.
Right, since Lokken has allowed it; here are some notable breps on Ascendancy planets.
Ones where we gain score through salvage:
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...mew961860dsnad
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...vvto6df9pqzcg9
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http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...5eqk722z90dm6e
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...1z8zyjgkjstt0m

Ones where we lose a little or break even:
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...xq06nc4mcgm3tt The defenders here broke even
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...43s3zwqjqqifz7 The defenders here lose about 60k after salvage
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CT hit a galaxy with 8 Ascendancy members in it; I'd say that's hitting Ascendancy. Obviously their fleets will be cropping up all over the place when they're not exactly full out going to war with us, but they're still hitting Ascendancy...
On this logic, hitting one planet is hitting Ascendancy. I think the word you're looking for here is 'targeting'. OK they're not steaming in on us but any alliance would consider itself to be targeted if someone hit a galaxy with 8 of their members in it.
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Thanks a bunch!

Without wishing to initiate anything how do both sides feel things have gone today (not finger pointing shouting Haha! xxxxxx crashed on me today or Haha! i raped xxxxx today) just a general feeling in each camp.

Reading Sandmans leads me to believe asc had the better day despite losing a few roids but it doesn't always tell the whole story.

Also did asc target ND today?

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Right, since Lokken has allowed it; here are some notable breps on Ascendancy planets.
Ones where we gain score through salvage:
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...mew961860dsnad
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...vvto6df9pqzcg9
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...pn6ur1abyi2ued
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...5eqk722z90dm6e
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...1z8zyjgkjstt0m

Ones where we lose a little or break even:
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...xq06nc4mcgm3tt The defenders here broke even
http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...43s3zwqjqqifz7 The defenders here lose about 60k after salvage
And there aren't any where asc loses?
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And there aren't any where asc loses?
THere is a brep from 2 10 9 tick 1336 that looks kinda like a loss :P But hey, lets forget about today and focus about tommorow ^^
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And there aren't any where asc loses?
There was one where Co faked as BS kills 400k value before salvage, but for obvious reasons it's a lot harder to find
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And there aren't any where asc loses?
Propaganda only works if you deny/ dont show the bad/real side of the story
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If you PM me breps of Asc dying I'll gladly post them (provided they're on our planets) just so long as it stops people going "omg propaganda"

And I'm not going to post any of us just losing roids with no fleet home, those aren't exactly interesting... you can tell when we lose roids by Sandman's.
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http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...5e60qd9s1kte60

think thats the one, dunno - theres a few others also, though overall asc gaining shitloads on defence.
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Asc is 2 mln score above NewbDawn. Are those tards really winning again?
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To be honest at this stage I think it will boil down to this in the end:
Ascendancy will win, because ND's only chance to win is based on them having the full support and cooperation of CT/Omen/Vgn. I don't see anyone other than ND is in a position to beat Asc at this stage, CT might gain, but not enough, and I don't think ND will get any support from CT, reasoned in something as simple as "You did not help Us when We needed it so why would We help You now?".
Asc will utterly destroy ND (CT was able to withstand Asc for about a week before crumbling, I doubt ND will last a week) like they did CT.
Omen/Vgn will probably keep attacking Asc, to some extent, and might grab some nice roids/score and probably make some healthy ship donations.
CT will probably go back to gal roiding.

Personally I think CT should declare war on DLR for their continued and absolutely unacceptable random hostilities on at least 20 occasions and bash it out for the last week

If by this post I'm again repeating other peoples predictions for the n time I apologize, just felt like posting my current view on the end of this round

And all in all I think it's been a good round, lots of political shifts, lots of wars and for the biggest part of the round at least 4 alliances fighting for a round Win, no stagnation FTW!
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To be honest at this stage I think it will boil down to this in the end:
Ascendancy will win, because ND's only chance to win is based on them having the full support and cooperation of CT/Omen/Vgn. I don't see anyone other than ND is in a position to beat Asc at this stage, CT might gain, but not enough, and I don't think ND will get any support from CT, reasoned in something as simple as "You did not help Us when We needed it so why would We help You now?".
Asc will utterly destroy ND (CT was able to withstand Asc for about a week before crumbling, I doubt ND will last a week) like they did CT.
Omen/Vgn will probably keep attacking Asc, to some extent, and might grab some nice roids/score and probably make some healthy ship donations.
CT will probably go back to gal roiding.

Personally I think CT should declare war on DLR for their continued and absolutely unacceptable random hostilities on at least 20 occasions and bash it out for the last week

If by this post I'm again repeating other peoples predictions for the n time I apologize, just felt like posting my current view on the end of this round

And all in all I think it's been a good round, lots of political shifts, lots of wars and for the biggest part of the round at least 4 alliances fighting for a round Win, no stagnation FTW!
guess you are Ct then heh
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guess you are Ct then heh
Yes I am CT, but I do not in any shape or form officially speak for the alliance, I am only expressing my own opinions and my view of things, which I believe I am fully entitled too?

And Yes, since I am a CT member my post might be 'biased' or express views from a somewhat subjective side, I'm not gonna apologize for deliberately or unintentionally be loyal/looking out for my own alliances best interest!
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This made me laugh, CT have been by far the most hostile alliance to DLR. You earned all the incs you got from us.
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Well, I'd really love to see someone hit DLR before the round ends. Would be pretty cool if CT did it.
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Would be pretty cooler if CT hit Ascendancy.
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We'll be seeing Ascendancy hit DLR before too long the way things are going. I suspect we can do a better job than CT at least.
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This made me laugh, CT have been by far the most hostile alliance to DLR. You earned all the incs you got from us.
good thing it made you laugh, it was indeed meant as a joke!
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I would love to see DLR do something more meaningfull other than protecting their highest avg score (who gives a **** about that anyway?)
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This made me laugh, CT have been by far the most hostile alliance to DLR. You earned all the incs you got from us.
Cause and affect, now we just have to agree which way it went
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No i didn't no. Don't think CT hit u full force though, i've seen their fleets cropping up everywhere, Asc seemed to cope more than fine with it though!
CT, Omen and VGN are incapable of hitting anyone full force at this stage. Loads of their members disagree with the direction their HC are trying to take them in and don't bother joining the raids.

As much as I'd like to play the victim, the force behind the current incoming is much less than when those same 4 alliances hit us earlier this round.
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think thats the one, dunno - theres a few others also, though overall asc gaining shitloads on defence.
Yeah, that's us dying. Fortunately salvage is completely ridiculous, along with the cath salvage bonus.

For the curious, what happened was that there was real CR/BS on the wave to go with the single fake, so it didn't get covered against FI. Then the Cath recalled his Vipers into it. After that there was no choice but leaving his Beetles at home to reduce the losses.

Oh yeah, and JBG managed to undercover himself against a fake so he got roided. Got a good laugh out of that one.

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I would love to see DLR do something more meaningfull other than protecting their highest avg score (who gives a **** about that anyway?)
I think DLR actually have something meaningful to protect from their perspective. Top Planet, Top Gal as many planets in top100 as possible.

Fighting a war, where they really have nothing to gain except the wrath of the currently #1 alliance, who can take down their top gal seems risky and detrimental to their current position.

And the "war" that CT, Omen, VGN and ND apparently have started to try and dethrone Ascendancy seems to be settled already.

Personally I was looking forward to actually having a fight for the top spot, but the effort provided by Omen, CT, VGN and ND has been a bit like having
sex while being obscenely drunk. Lots of huffing and puffing but no real climax.
Things might change and I hope there can be a little more effort on behalf of the alliances mentioned above, because otherwise Asc will coast to victory and we will have all the usual posters saying "I said 4 weeks ago Asc was going to win" coming out to spam.
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It's clear to me that you didn't play last part of last round Desse.
If you did, you would know exactly what DLR has to gain from joining in.
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It's clear to me that you didn't play last part of last round Desse.
If you did, you would know exactly what DLR has to gain from joining in.
I'm really not remember anything relevant from last round heh. What was it?
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I would love to see DLR do something more meaningfull other than protecting their highest avg score (who gives a **** about that anyway?)
I for one like what DLR have been doing this round. They stayed true to themselves, haven't backed down from anyone and are basically my favourite alliance at the moment.
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Asc roidracing eachother, raping all topplanets (except CT). And so on. Last rounds end was probably the worst end i have ever seen in PA, and by that im not really criticizing asc, it's just how i feel about it.
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If you did, you would know exactly what DLR has to gain from joining in.
I think you need to inform me what happened last round that has relevance on their current objectives instead of refuting my post without any information.

You posted that while I was replying - My apologies.
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Asc roidracing eachother, raping all topplanets (except CT). And so on. Last rounds end was probably the worst end i have ever seen in PA, and by that im not really criticizing asc, it's just how i feel about it.
DLR is probably banking on ND, OMEN, CT, VGN being able to bog down Ascendancy in a fight that will be drawn out and hopefully last as long as possible. This will give them continued growth and peace untill a clear winner has been decided.

If Asc wins this "war", they will probably roid ND dry before starting to look for other targets and likewise will CT, OMEN, ND, VGN roid ASC dry before starting to look for fat targets.

Putting yourself on the line before you have to is shortsighted and perhaps not in your best interest.

As it looks right now though, ND/OMEN/VGN/CT seems to not have been of the quality that DLR was hoping for. So at the current time, it might be best for them and try and secure a NAP with Asc asap. (Very dubious on whether this would be granted though).
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Fighting a war, where they really have nothing to gain except the wrath of the currently #1 alliance, who can take down their top gal seems risky and detrimental to their current position.
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You surely don't ACTUALLY believe Asc alone could roid 7:2 for more than a few thousand roids?
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You surely don't ACTUALLY believe Asc alone could roid 7:2 for more than a few thousand roids?
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You surely don't ACTUALLY believe Asc alone could roid 7:2 for more than a few thousand roids?
Why should DLR risk it, if they don't have to ?
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