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Unread 1 Aug 2006, 20:40   #1
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I said that it was worse for a woman to cheat on a guy than it was for a guy to cheat on a girl. I said that a guy could have sex and it was generally just a physical thing but from what i'd heard woman tend to get emotionally attached when it comes to "making love". As such the guy's body may have been cheating but in the woman's case it was her heart that was being unfaithful. I quantified all this by saying that cheating was wrong no matter who was doing it it's just that i thought that when a woman cheated on a guy it was like shooting him in the kneecap before killing him whereas when a guy cheated on a woman it was just like killing her (that was the exact analogy i used).
I agree. Discuss.
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Unread 1 Aug 2006, 20:42   #2
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Re: Women

i'm quite sure every bloke will agree.
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I'm sure a prostitute is a little bit in love with every one of her clients.
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Re: Women

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I'm sure a prostitute is a little bit in love with every one of her clients.
That's different. She's doing it as part of a business arrangement (ie: she gets paid).

Having an affair/cheating on someone is a choice with no other benefit other than personal/sexual gratification.
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Re: Women

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That's different. She's doing it as part of a business arrangement (ie: she gets paid).
According to the original post that doesn't matter. Dace's point was :
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woman tend to get emotionally attached when it comes to "making love".
He didn't add a qualifier that this rule doesn't apply if the "love making" is for financial gain.
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Re: Women

no, i disagree. but sometimes i do wonder about sex, and our qualms with infidelity. other than the stigma, why is it a huge deal? Sometimes polygamy seems much more natural to me; if its agreed upon of course
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Re: Women

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other than the stigma, why is it a huge deal?
It's not, inherently. The internal programming (whether it be social or biological) can sometimes be difficult to overcome though.
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Re: Women

Women are less romantic and emotional than men.

This is why it is 'worse' (from the man's point of view) when a woman cheats on a man than when the man himself cheats.
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Re: Women

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He didn't add a qualifier that this rule doesn't apply if the "love making" is for financial gain.
I wouldnt say a prostitute having sex with a man is "making love" though. It's just a function that has to be fulfilled on her behalf.

Having sex with someone because you want to, and it being out of choice, is "making love".
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Re: Women

When a woman cheats on a guy, she is basicly removing the only thing that makes a man feel like a man. His honour.

Dishonour your man and you might aswell kill him, as he is a man no longer.

Of course this only goes for the nancies who write haiku poems.
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Re: Women

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Having sex with someone because you want to, and it being out of choice, is "making love".
I wouldn't say having drunken sex with someone you meet in a nightclub (say) is making love either, but it's definitely cheating which I think is the point here. But I guess we're now mired in semantics.

I think the theory Dace was articulating is that women get more emotional if they have sex with a guy (especially if they orgasm). That's the distinction, not why the person is having sex. I guess you could argue that prostitution would be different because very few would enjoy it (I imagine). But that could be said for any woman I've ever slept with.
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Having sex with someone else is just as much cheating for men as knocking one out to some random internet porn.
It's when you're brain gets involved that you're actually making love.

With girls the brain gets involved every time (cos it's more of a mental thing with them whereas it's a physical thing with blokes) and therefore they cheat every time whereas blokes only do sometimes.

or something like that.


(sigh, the justification always sounds so good in my head )
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Let's get some input from a woman on this one.
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Let's get some input from a woman on this one.
they're too illogical to think rationally about this.

let's just accept that we're right. Okay?
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Re: Women

In more general terms does that imply its worse for women to masturbate to fantasies than men? (because they really want to cheat)

Out of curiosity would any of you have a problem with having a relationship with a person who was biologically born a man but became a 'woman'?
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Re: Women

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I'm sure a prostitute is a little bit in love with every one of her clients.
Well, there is a reason why prostitution is so much harder on women than men though, and I think the first post is pretty close to it.

Personally, my main objection to prostituting myself would be 'I might have to have sex with ugly/old women or men'. Fix that, and I would have no troubles with it (no 'not being in charge of own body'-mental shit.. it's just sex ffs).


Now, I was going to write that I hadn't met a single girl with the same attitutide. I can't however, since it's not true. I met a lot of reasonably normal girls with that attitude; in Moscow. Girls there would just have sex with the people they wanted in pretty much the same way single guys do here.. and I'm not talking about trashy nightclub-people here either, I'm talking normal university students in the dormitories.

Maybe it's more of a cultural thing and less of a biological thing than one might think at first?
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The original thought of this thread has to be one of the most medival thoughtsequences I've ever read on these forums (from a user, that is). It's bullshit, and anybody with any brains should see it.
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Women are less romantic and emotional than men.

This is why it is 'worse' (from the man's point of view) when a woman cheats on a man than when the man himself cheats.
I think I'll agree with QazokRouge5, I don't think I've ever met a woman that wasn't more emotional than a man.

As for why it's 'worse' when a woman cheats, it's not really because men are more emotional, it's because we know when a woman cheats, she's not just doing it for sex, which is what most men do it for. Usually it's because the guy she's cheating with actually pays attention to her, or listens to her, or does something else that the man doesn't or won't do, and the man knows that pretty much the relationship is over.

When a guy cheats on a woman, even though she may get pissed off and threaten to remove his penis, she usually knows it wasn't something she didn't or wouldn't do, but rather because the man was a moron and got horny and saw and opportunity and took it.
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I find it amusing that the people arguing that women do not have a sex drive are accussing me of not having ever met a woman ...

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I find it amusing that the people arguing that women do not have a sex drive are accussing me of not having ever met a woman ...

I don't think they're arguing over women having a 'sex drive', my fiancé has validated my hypothesis that women can have just as high or higher a 'sex drive' as men, but she like most other women wouldn't ever just have sex with a guy because she's horny, whereas men are more apt to do that.
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Perhaps if you drew up some sort of bizzare statistical graph and worked it out as percentages it'd come out as women are 7% more emotionally attached to their boyfriends than their boyfriends are to them or something but that says far more about western culture than it does about gender issues. Obviously from an evo-psych perspective women should be less likely to have sex with pug-fugly men so I see where dace and qazok got their reasoning from.
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I find it amusing that the people arguing that women do not have a sex drive are accussing me of not having ever met a woman ...

After sleeping with them, do you find that women or men are more likely to get emotionally attached to you?
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Perhaps if you drew up some sort of bizzare statistical graph and worked it out as percentages it'd come out as women are 7% more emotionally attached to their boyfriends than their boyfriends are to them or something but that says far more about western culture than it does about gender issues. Obviously from an evo-psych perspective women should be less likely to have sex with pug-fugly men so I see where dace and qazok got their reasoning from.
Well research in modern evolutionary psychology has demonstrated that women generally feel more emotional involvement when cheating on their long-term partners so this theory isnt just a cultural myth that gets propagated over and over again despite having no evidence whatsoever to support it.
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Well research in modern evolutionary psychology has demonstrated that women generally feel more emotional involvement when cheating on their long-term partners so this theory isnt just a cultural myth that gets propagated over and over again despite having no evidence whatsoever to support it.
Your lack of support for the random drivelings of evo-psych really distresses me
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Men will resort to all kinds of rationalizations for why it isn't as wrong for them to not keep promises of fidelity than is is for women.
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Perhaps Yahwe's just jealous because I mentioned my fiancé has a high sex drive, overlooking the fact that I was agreeing with him that women can have high sex drives.
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Re: Women

When a woman cheats on a man it hurts very badly. The man is angry, depressed, and resentfull about the situation. Its the kinda of thing that is very hard to forgive and get over.

The man knows that she gave herself to another male with her heart, mind, body, and soul. She must have truly loved the male to cheat on the man whom she claimed or used to love.

Women get more oportunities to cheat than men but pass most of them up unless there is "revenge sex" to be had. Some women do cheat just for the one and done thrill. They get shagged rotten by some lowlife and then go back to their "Mr. Nice Guy" for their usual sex.

Women know that men have trouble keeping it in their pants. Men often cheat when faced with the oportunity. Women act pissed but to them its just an oportunity to make the man "Pay" for what they did. Fur coat, new car, jewelry ect. To women the cheating hurts them when the man is spending more time, energy, and money on the other woman than with the wife or girlfriend. "She can **** him all she wants but that is MY MONEY she is trying to steal."

Here is another question. Could you forgive someone that cheated on you? Would you end the relationship, try to work it out, or act like it was nothing?
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BLARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
You're being just a tad chauvinistic there. I know a good few slags (being from Essex) who definitly aren't giving their heart, body and soul to whoever they choose to find in a club every Friday/Saturday night.






EDIT: Sorry, I'm wrong. I just went back and read your post properly. You're just being stupid.
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ok i have to say this. Women definetly are more atachet to thair partners in relashonships even if it is just a sexual on. because yes thay have to love somone to do just about enything with them. Athow you do get the odd fue that do not ned to be atached to do enything. Wich i personaly think is sad i am of the set mined that you havre to love somone befor you get mor itimet with them. But thats just me

i also now this because i have allot of femail freands and am basicly thair secret kepers and i am yousualy the one that calms them down when the situation gos bad. I am no expert mined. but that guys is what i think and now to be corect

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enlighten me please what do you mean by that post

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Ladder Theory is something that usually gets tossed up by angry Internet males in threads on SomethingAwful to explain why they never get have sex and all women are bitchs.
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ok i have to say this. Women definetly are more atachet to thair partners in relashonships even if it is just a sexual on. because yes thay have to love somone to do just about enything with them. Athow you do get the odd fue that do not ned to be atached to do enything. Wich i personaly think is sad i am of the set mined that you havre to love somone befor you get mor itimet with them. But thats just me

i also now this because i have allot of femail freands and am basicly thair secret kepers and i am yousualy the one that calms them down when the situation gos bad. I am no expert mined. but that guys is what i think and now to be corect

ps if you canot understand it just tel me in a pm and i will try to fix eny eros you might fined

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I was prevented from reading your post due to your horrible spelling and grammar. Spell check is there for a reason, dickhead. This isn't the 7th grade where you can 'lolz 2 ure peepz lol".

In fact, I find you in general to be lacking any remnant of a civilized nature. Just reading the above post irritates me in a way that not even Yahwe can achieve, but at least he has the common ****ing courtesy to use proper spelling and grammar.

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Spell check is there for a reason
Maybe he didn't notice it was there. I just clicked on it the first time to see if it worked, and it made me download an application. Perhaps he was unsure of the safety of downloading this application lest he get some virus. Otherwise I would agree, if you're not sure of your spelling, the little button is there, use it.
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Maybe he didn't notice it was there. I just clicked on it the first time to see if it worked, and it made me download an application. Perhaps he was unsure of the safety of downloading this application lest he get some virus. Otherwise I would agree, if you're not sure of your spelling, the little button is there, use it.
Spell check is helpful when you mis-spell a word or two, not every other ****ing word.
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Re: Women

Every person is unique, and feels differently. One woman might **** everything in sight and not think twice, while the next man will only have sex with his wife beacause it's the right thing to do.
As long as people are upfront about how they feel, I really dont care how they live their lives. To try and say that women are more emotional then men is just as absurd as saying that Swedes are more afraid of the dark then Norwegians. Beacause if they are, its about cultural upbringing, not genes.

Get out and touch some girls, you might find out some interesting things.
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tell me Qazok what is your problem with me

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Re: Women

This is silly.

If I cheat on my boyfriend by having an affair then presumably I am emotionally attached to the person I am having an affair with, whereas if I cheat on my boyfriend by having a one night stand where it's purely about sex then I am not emotionally attached because it's just sex.

Yes women enjoy sex for the sake of it too, no they are not emotionally attached every time.

Is having an affair worse than a one night stand? Probably. But then in some ways having a one night stand is worse because you don't have 'emotion' to defend yourself, you were just thoughtless.

Is there a difference between a woman cheating and a man cheating? I don't see it.

Like I have said the only distinction I see is between affair cheating and one night stand cheating, neither of which are acceptable, but only one of which involves emotion. One of them involves 'making love' and one of them involves sex.
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