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Unread 15 Mar 2006, 02:13   #1
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For those who know the law better than me

I went to Sainsburys to buy a couple of alcoholic drinks for some party. Now I hardly buy them and as such never bothered to produce ID for anything. I know that I'd be asked to produce ID when I got to the counter (apparently I look young for my age despite being 21).

When I got to the counter, I was asked the usual question for ID. I produced my provisional licence. I was told that it is not an acceptable form of ID and that they only accept ID that shows the "PASS" logo or full driving licence or passport.

I told him that's the only thing that I've got and I also have a credit card that bears the same name. When I showed him the credit card, he accepted it (apparently at his discretion). When I asked him why a provisional licence wasn't good enough as a form of ID, I was told that it was a campaign thing, part of the law.


What baffles me the most is that for me to obtain a provisional licence, I had to consent the DVLA to confirm my details with the UKPA (UK Passport Agency) and this also involves confirming my date of birth. Surely this is the exact same way for obtaining a full driving licence.


So basically, wtf? Please someone explain to me why a provisional licence is not good enough as a form of ID.



P.S. Oh and Sainsburys wasn't the only place to not accept a provisional licence as a form of ID (other places include All Bar One (which you have to be 21 or over), one (out of 4) of my local stripclub, and Carphone Warehouse when taking out a contract).
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Re: For those who know the law better than me

I'm sure its a legal form of ID. As in if you give it to the police they'd accept.

The honus (sp?) is on individuals to identify underaged people noe rather than who they work for since they get fined for their mistakes so if they have any doubts thn they're likely to say no, even if its just through ignorance.
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Re: For those who know the law better than me

i've seen places where they don't accept driving licenses at all.
Apparently they are easily forged...
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Re: For those who know the law better than me

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i've seen places where they don't accept driving licenses at all.
Apparently they are easily forged...
I'd agree on this, in Ireland at least, as I was able to get a fake driving license fairly easily. We looked into passports but they were very difficult/expensive to forge.
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Re: For those who know the law better than me

Perhaps it's to avoid their staff simply accepting a driving licence as proof of age without looking at the date of birth, since you can have a provisional licence at 17 but are unlikely to have a full one before you're 18, and someone's decided that saying "don't accept provisional driving licences" is easier than saying "make sure you check the date of birth, especially on provisional driving licences".

(Or of course they could just be stupid.)
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Re: For those who know the law better than me

I don't see why that holds true. I passed before I was 18. I know other people that did too. In fact, most of my friends have been driving since before they were 18.

I use my drivers license for ID. My passport is still at home. TBH, when I think of ID I think of drivers license and passport.

It may be easily forged but it's still a common form of ID.
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i've seen places where they don't accept driving licenses at all.
Where are these places? I need to avoid them not going to take my passport out with me.
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Re: For those who know the law better than me

I take out my expired passport with me to most places - it's been cut down the side to show it's expired, but apart from that it's exactly the same (with a picture of me when I was 11 ;/ ).

99% of places accept that as ID.
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I take out my expired passport with me to most places - it's been cut down the side to show it's expired, but apart from that it's exactly the same (with a picture of the eleven year old schoolboy I keep in my dungeon ;/ ).

99% of places accept that as ID.
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Where are these places? I need to avoid them not going to take my passport out with me.
Yeah same here, I would never want to take my passport out with me. I never had any trouble with a provisional license though, some places will even accept NUS cards.
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when I was in college we were allowed to write our own date of birth on our NUS cards.
Quite a few places accepted it too!
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when I was in college we were allowed to write our own date of birth on our NUS cards.
Quite a few places accepted it too!
No one I know accepts it at anything but proof you're a student. I once had nothing else and got a gruding "ok" from a bouncer before being let in.
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Re: For those who know the law better than me

The other day I was in a queue for a club in London.

The girl in front of me used a provisional licence and was turned away, being informed it was not an acceptable form of ID.

I then produced my provisional licence and was let in.

You are quite right in saying that they same application procedure is taken in getting a provisional as a full licence and that it is a legal form of identity. In fact you can use a provisional licence to board an internal flight within the UK.

But, Yahwe is also correct, it is at their discretion. However, this girl is clearly not following a policy that is maintained by Sainsbury's head office, so I would have asked to see a manager.
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