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Unread 13 Nov 2005, 04:47   #51
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

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Or do you really, really, think that anyone really, really was upset and so very shocked?
you'd be suprised by the amount of fags out there that really do get offended by this type of shit
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I was the person who initially closed your account as I was the person who had first look at the support query raised through the in-game system as I often check it for any outstanding queries that I can deal with. I had no issue with keeping you closed and was surprised when Appoco informed me had re-opened the account after discussing it with yourself as I felt you losing out on some attacks and defence was hardly a suitable punishment for what you did.

As I debated with you on irc, the picture you posted could easily be considered kiddie porn and was foul enough that the host where it was posted agreed to delete it after I sent him an email linking it to notify him that it was on their servers. It clearly violated the T&C's and not in a borderline "oh look boobies" kind of way. If you went around posting pictures like that in your work you'd probably be fired in this country and at the very least be in a heap of trouble even for just looking at a picture like that. You're just lucky you are not based in the UK for if you were I would have no hesitation in contacting your ISP to report your actions.

The fact your defence for posting it in the first place is that your gal m8s apparently dared you to do it is incredulous and hard to believe when you consider that you're allegedly a player with many years of experience. When you then try to argue your way out of it by resorting to abuse demonstrates to me it was the correct decision to close you. I also fail to see how the fact it was there for a certain period of time should be taken as a sign that it was okay to post it? We allow people the chance to post galpics but this sort of incident suggests to me that there is a need to perhaps remove this feature from future rounds if it is going to be abused in such a way.
contact my local authorithy if u like, contact my isp provider if u like.

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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

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As I debated with you on irc, the picture you posted could easily be considered kiddie porn and was foul enough that the host where it was posted agreed to delete it after I sent him an email linking it to notify him that it was on their servers. It clearly violated the T&C's and not in a borderline "oh look boobies" kind of way. If you went around posting pictures like that in your work you'd probably be fired in this country and at the very least be in a heap of trouble even for just looking at a picture like that. You're just lucky you are not based in the UK for if you were I would have no hesitation in contacting your ISP to report your actions.
well that's a diffrent description of the picture :0 was it really child porn??

to state the obvious, jolt is just protecting itself and is justified in doing so
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

www.google.com


url to gal pic.

Child porn?


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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

porn, little yes, child porn, no
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delete his forum account for posting porn
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

actually he has a point. it is against forum rules to post it, or links to it either. hes hardly trolling
suggest you edit the post with the link in it before a forum admin spots you and finalises your exit in disgrace
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

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delete his forum account for posting porn
the picture is clearly not safe for work

if someone basically accused me of posting kiddie porn and threatened to screw around with my life i'd want to set the record straight too.
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well, they may do so. I think the url is valid in this thread as people kinda have to c the pic to have an opinion.

If I am asked to removed it. I ofc will.
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

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the picture is clearly not safe for work

if someone basically accused me of posting kiddie porn and threatened to screw around with my life i'd want to set the record straight too.
thx for understanding my point.

The fact I am closed is no longer of any importance to me.
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

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you'd be suprised by the amount of fags out there that really do get offended by this type of shit
I'm pretty sure anyone browsing at work/school/uni can run into trouble with this material. PA is supposed to be a game, not stilemedia or ebaums.

I don't see what the issue is here. Break the rules, get closed. It's that simple. Just because admins haven't had the balls to do this before and would let people off with a slap on the wrist for many offenses doesn't mean it should continue.
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well, they may do so. I think the url is valid in this thread as people kinda have to c the pic to have an opinion.

If I am asked to removed it. I ofc will.
If people want to see it, private message the url to them. Breaking a forum rule and then requesting to be asked to correct your selfmade rule-breaking by yourself is just intendetly pissing at the forum admin / moderators legs.

[x] for banning so much stupiditiy. Just to save my stomach muscles from too much laughing.
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

and u think the trolls here, like u, will pm to get the url?

no.

so I posted it.
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and u think the trolls here, like u, will pm to get the url?

no.

so I posted it.
Where does that grant you permission to break the forum rules? You are simply manifestating the picture of someone who would jump out of the window if people tell you to. That is just funny, sad and cruel.
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

that pic was supposed to be FUNNY goddamn
there have been a lot of other gal pics where u could see half naked women as well, for example in thongs. that is against the EULA as well. yet those GCs haven't been closed.

and biffy u are a moron if u say that this pic is kiddy porn

a) none of the children is naked
b) none of the children is participating in a sexual action
c) it was photoshopped

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I'm pretty sure anyone browsing at work/school/uni can run into trouble with this material. PA is supposed to be a game, not stilemedia or ebaums.

I don't see what the issue is here. Break the rules, get closed. It's that simple. Just because admins haven't had the balls to do this before and would let people off with a slap on the wrist for many offenses doesn't mean it should continue.
i also agree he deserves to be closed for clearly breaking the rules (with a recent thread explaining them no less)

but biffy made it seem like he posted pics of naked children or something of the like. that he would would report his actions to his ISP and actually get in trouble. peronsally, i wouldn't want to be know as the guy who got banned for posting kiddie porn when i posted a relatively tame picture. i'd risk breaking the forum rules to not go down like that as well :]
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if it was a 1up member i dare say they wouldnt have thrown their rattle out of the pram about it, instead admitting they were in the wrong and apologising in a civilised manner
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@Phil^, Zh|l and heartless: would u react the same way if it was a 1up member closed instead of an eXi?
My reaction would have been pretty much the same, yes. Except that I would have hit my head on the desk twice instead of only once. It is plain stupid for every member of any alliance in the game to break rules you agree to when signing up.
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

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porn, little yes, child porn, no
That depends entirely on what your definition of child porn is. Some people consider pictures of young girls / boys in suggestive poses to be child porn and in my view the image in question is far worse than that.

Would your opinion perhaps be different if, instead of boys, the picture was full of young girls?
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if it was a 1up member i dare say they wouldnt have thrown their rattle out of the pram about it, instead admitting they were in the wrong and apologising in a civilised manner

weird then that I get alot of pms from 1up that agrees with me...

And the fact that I didnt make this thread...
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

phil^ u didn't answer my question

heartless, thank you for your clear answer. another one: so u agree the GC of 17.9 has to be closed as well, as he is showing a half naked woman from behind, which is clearly against the rules, right?
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Noun 1. kiddie porn - the illegal use of children in pornographic pictures or films

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I disagree for the simple reason of that picture not showing any pornographic material. It is a picture of a woman in a bikini, not a picture of a couple having sex.
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And biffy, I d appreciate if u said sry for the shit u have said, OR actually do what u claim u will do.
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I disagree for the simple reason of that picture not showing any pornographic material. It is a picture of a woman in a bikini, not a picture of a couple having sex.
the woman is half naked, therefor the pic is against the EULA

or take pic from 17.5 for example if u look close u can see that she doesn't wear a bra.
--against the EULA

don't get me wrong, i don't want any of them closed, i just think it's pretty biased what biffy does
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Let me see. It is a pornographic picture due to the image placed on the TV screen. There are children in it. It is therefore an illegal image. How does it not meet your definition?
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the woman is half naked, therefor the pic is against the EULA

or take pic from 17.5 for example if u look close u can see that she doesn't wear a bra.
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don't get me wrong, i don't want any of them closed, i just think it's pretty biased what biffy does
You do know the difference between pictures of women wearing sexy clothing and pictures showing sexual intercourse explicitely?
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weird then that I get alot of pms from 1up that agrees with me...

And the fact that I didnt make this thread...
No, your galmate did.

I would imagine he is far more interested in his gal staying in the top ten.

His alliance is irrelevant.
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yes i do know the difference; but still those sexy woman are half-naked.

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Point taken, I stopped reading the EULA on that issue after §11c

Yes those pictures should be removed according to §18.5a, if the account should be deleted is up to Jolt on this, clearly those gal pics are not as offensive as the one Wishmaster put up.
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id feel worse it it hadnt happened to a complete jackass... as it is, i just find it amusing.

i will say though, that the guidlines on what is acceptable and what isnt is a little on the vague side.
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Let me see. It is a pornographic picture due to the image placed on the TV screen. There are children in it. It is therefore an illegal image. How does it not meet your definition?

Noun 1. kiddy porn - the illegal use of children in pornographic pictures or films

source http://www.thefreedictionary.com/kiddy%20porn

I didn't see illegal use of children esp since it was photoshoped
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I didn't see illegal use of children esp since it was photoshoped
Oh really. So if someone took a picture of a little girl and superimposed a man performing a sexual act on her that would not, in your view, be kiddy porn? That's an interesting point of view to have but I'm afraid it is not one that I agree with, hence my actions in closing his account.
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Whether it is Child Pornography, or Pornography simpliciter is irrelevent.

He should be closed for both. Children play this game, won't sombody think of the children?
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I would add that it's quite a joke to compare real child pornography, where young humans are abused and can be damaged psychologically or physically aswell for a long time of their life, to a a pic done in a minute with paintshop by some nerd, placing a 15*10 'pornographic' picture on some tv being watched by some boys..

Whatever 'side' (or mainly alliance in this case) one is on, I guess it's quite a thin path to throw just everything into a bucket and call it 'kiddie porn'
This thing here doesn't even cause anyone to look at it twice, while the other thing is one of the worst on the planet..

I'm not a moralist or keeper of the holy words.. and ye, tho I know like nothing 'about this guy' (which should, actually, not be important for the discussion anyway) I'd easily reopen him.. but calling it 'Porn', if you wish so.. but kiddie porn, oh well..

You 'always right' dudes won't reopen him anyway, cause you're always right.. so whatever.. but that you insist on the kiddie porn is.. frustrating, and enlightening..
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Oh really. So if someone took a picture of a little girl and superimposed a man performing a sexual act on her that would not, in your view, be kiddy porn? That's an interesting point of view to have but I'm afraid it is not one that I agree with, hence my actions in closing his account.
there is no kid in that pic that wishmaster posted have a sexual act preformed either to or on them. It just so happens a bunce of boys are watching via a tv. There is no implement that they are being asked/forced to do anything. Boys at that age would look for something like this from a parents/siblings porn collection. If there was a kid actually part of the act then it would be kiddy porn photo shoped or not.

I am not arguing ur closing just the fact of it being kiddy porn.
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Whether it is Child Pornography, or Pornography simpliciter is irrelevent.

He should be closed for both. Children play this game, won't sombody think of the children?
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Oh really. So if someone took a picture of a little girl and superimposed a man performing a sexual act on her that would not, in your view, be kiddy porn? That's an interesting point of view to have but I'm afraid it is not one that I agree with, hence my actions in closing his account.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_porn

please show where that picture can be considered child porn using this expanded definition (or the laws that jolt is subject to)

i couldn't even find something similar in the "other forms" section, but i didn't read every word.

looks like one of the kids needs to be naked or involved in some sort of sex act for it to be considered child porn... that's not the case in the picture.
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Some good points there randal, but don't you agree that doing something like Wishmaster has done only cheapens the issue by suggesting that its all fun and games for kids to have a laugh at explicit sexual content?
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He should be closed for both. Children play this game, won't sombody think of the children?

yes it is relevent as one is illegal by the game and the other is illegal by the law
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Some good points there randal, but don't you agree that doing something like Wishmaster has done only cheapens the issue by suggesting that its all fun and games for kids to have a laugh at explicit sexual content?
in my opinion YOU cheapen the issue by claiming that picture is actually child porn

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clearly that picture wasn't desinged to be used as real pornography.
it is ment to be a humorous photoshop

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Even wishmaster has accepted that cooling. More then once.
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please show where that picture can be considered child porn using this expanded definition (or the laws that jolt is subject to)
i couldn't even find something similar in the "other forms" section, but i didn't read every word.
looks like one of the kids needs to be naked or involved in some sort of sex act for it to be considered child porn... that's not the case in the picture.
Even in the first line there it says something regarding depicting children engaging in sexual activity. A picture of them, all be it photoshopped, appearing to watch pornography could easily be considered sexual activity.
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Even in the first line there it says something regarding depicting children engaging in sexual activity. A picture of them, all be it photoshopped, appearing to watch pornography could easily be considered sexual activity.

since when is watching porn a sexual actividy. Its the other things u can do while watching porn sexualy actividys
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Some good points there randal, but don't you agree that doing something like Wishmaster has done only cheapens the issue by suggesting that its all fun and games for kids to have a laugh at explicit sexual content?

No, and IF, then on a very small basis..

But this was not your point from the beginning. You claim this IS true kiddie porn, and you announced to contact his ISP on the topic of him posting and sharing kiddie porn, or something similar.

And post for post you keep repeating that this is kiddie porn, which I find quite annoying and respectless towards the actual topic of abused children etc.

As said I'm not a moralist or whatever, but child porn is a topic that should make everyone angry, upset, frustrated, eventually wanting to do certain things to certain persons or whatever..

This picture here has in no way to do anything with those disgusting things, and the step from this, to an actual child being abused, is just too big to justify your points.
In my eyes that is.


If he was right, or against the rules or whatever, who cares.. You win, you have reason to close him, and you do so. You've been successful.
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I must agree that biffy's claim that this is supposed to be child-porn appears somewhat far-fetched from.

Doesn't change that much, though, sexually explicit content was given and thus violating the EULA which Wishmaster agreed to.
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True enough. I know that lots of ppl watched the texas chainsaw massacre, yet none of them are accused of being murderers.
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randal - I claimed it could be considered kiddy porn, not categorically it was or was not. I think I've demonstrated in my replies how it could be considered as such and whether the intention of the picture was to be funny or not that doesn't change the content of it. Perhaps this will serve as a lesson to other PA players who think it is teh funny to post pictures of this nature as their galpics in the future.
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It's easiest way anyway is to just repeat your points, turn them a bit so they fit better, and repeat them again.

Instead of just giving a *slight* hint of that one *might* have been a *bit* wrong.

Like in football, there are these and those refs.. some that have a bit of a feeling for the situation, and some that, oh well I won't start with evil words that start with arr now, else i might hit some rule myself.


Whatever, I'm 'community managed' enough for today so far I guess.. I've never said it's funny, in my eyes it's not worth many words, and not worth to terminate a round for a player, and ruin it for his Galaxy and other mates.
Your comparison to child porn remains grotesque, again 'in my eyes', a phrase that should be used more often eventually..
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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?

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I was the person who initially closed your account as I was the person who had first look at the support query raised through the in-game system as I often check it for any outstanding queries that I can deal with. I had no issue with keeping you closed and was surprised when Appoco informed me had re-opened the account after discussing it with yourself as I felt you losing out on some attacks and defence was hardly a suitable punishment for what you did.
Usually galaxy pictures are issued a warning, at least in the last three rounds of being on PA support, that's the usual initial punishment. A warning. Second time, closure. To be honest, this was a very strict punishment. Also, there have been several other "porn" related galaxy pictures in past rounds, and they weren't even closed permanantly. How many galaxy banners are against the EULA and are changed? Quite a lot over the period of a round. How many accounts are closed due to it? Only repeat offenders (with the exception of Jolt intervention--like this one).

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As I debated with you on irc, the picture you posted could easily be considered kiddie porn and was foul enough that the host where it was posted agreed to delete it after I sent him an email linking it to notify him that it was on their servers. It clearly violated the T&C's and not in a borderline "oh look boobies" kind of way. If you went around posting pictures like that in your work you'd probably be fired in this country and at the very least be in a heap of trouble even for just looking at a picture like that. You're just lucky you are not based in the UK for if you were I would have no hesitation in contacting your ISP to report your actions.
By no legal definition, or definition given to me *ever* can a picture of kids looking at porn be considered "kiddie porn." Kiddie porn is where the kids are in the porn. To be honest, I strongly disagree with your actions of reclosing the account.

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The fact your defence for posting it in the first place is that your gal m8s apparently dared you to do it is incredulous and hard to believe when you consider that you're allegedly a player with many years of experience. When you then try to argue your way out of it by resorting to abuse demonstrates to me it was the correct decision to close you. I also fail to see how the fact it was there for a certain period of time should be taken as a sign that it was okay to post it? We allow people the chance to post galpics but this sort of incident suggests to me that there is a need to perhaps remove this feature from future rounds if it is going to be abused in such a way.
To be honest, the arguement that how long you've played is complete bull. I don't think there should be a different set of punishments for long-time players versus newbie players. In fact, I would think that instead of long-time versus newbie punishments, it should be based on repeat offenders.

Though it was wrong to have that picture there, a warning should have been the punishment for first offense. People who do more serious game-affecting EULA violations should be closed, not people who do something like this which should be warned and reopened, which is the traditional way of dealing with this. In one round a PA team can merge alliances and completely changed the outcome of the game with no concequence, while a member can do something like post an inapprioate picture and be compeltely closed from playing the game. A bit unfair, if you ask me.

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P.S. I speak from personal opinion, and has nothing to do with my role in support for those who care.
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