Do you have a gay in the office?

[JammyJim]

Originally Posted by demiGOD

there are no concrete scientific conclusions on both sides of this argument.. i did not make this up - if youre a male (or female) and is socially and biologically obvious, then psychologically, you decide what your sexual preference is

thank you - just proved my point.. sexual preference is decided by choice.. and yahwe, id be goddamned if you say "yeah i would have sex with her because i just had to do it..." - so im figuring your answer would be a no answer also, which proves my point even more, coming from a homosexual

sexual preference isnt decided by choice....

[demiGOD]

well it seems that we have this wild mixture of views.. this debate has been really drawn out.. no science can support any side of this argument.. yahwe is a bad example for he is not really homosexual, he does have sex with individuals he's attracted to, so if he meets a really attractive german sheperd, we all know whats gonna happen.. dante do not believe in inter-racial sex (although you should try them black-booty chicks, specially those half black-half asians.. theyre actually pretty hot and absolutely good in bed) - at first i thought phang and gayle were males, then found out that gayle was actually a female, and phang was hmmm, male? i guess? mist who got yahwe started, JJ and his one-line hard-liners, MM who thought all this was stupid but posted anyways (or was that JJ?), nodrog and co. (of neutrals), and finally crashtester, who's probably thought as the biggest homophobe ever to have posted on GD

-these views from different people were rather interesting and its been fun - i guess thats enough arguing for me, and so that would be a YES ms gayle, not playing anymore

[Phang]

Originally Posted by demiGOD

not playing anymore

could you try to stop breathing while you're at it?

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Boogster

I cannot see why belief in a God is 'not logical or reasonable'.

Oh for the love of the various deitys of the most polytheistic religions known to man, I thought we had covered this in the Science vs Religion Lol A Minute thread.

Originally Posted by demiGOD

primitively, we exist for the simple purpose of procreation

I'd disagree with that. "We exist, with tendencies towards procreation, because those with tendencies with procreation are more likely to procreate" is more like the correct emphasis.

Originally Posted by demiGOD

one of my closest friends is gay.

I'm not homophobic, I know many faggots.

Not to say you're homophobic, I just like to mock that kind of statement. 'I'm not racist, I'm friends with plenty of niggas' works better.

Originally Posted by demiGOD

sexual preference is decided by choice

MM beat me to what I was going to reply to this with. This, to be precise.

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

In the sense of chosing who, precisely you sleep with, then yes, you have control. We can control which persons we go to bed with.

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Even if you knew it was a white woman who Mark had fiendishly disguised as a black woman (Through processes unknown)

Shoe polish.

Originally Posted by demiGOD

no science can support any side of this argument

Whilst anecdotal evidence, or any evidence given the small sample size, isn't the best scientific evidence to be going on, we sitll have all the homosexualists on this forum agreeing with a given statement, which, whilst not conclusive, leads me to believe that a certain outcome is more likely given the lack of any other evidence, although of course that doesn't actually mean much without a repeatable experiment on the topic.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by demiGOD

dante do not believe in inter-racial sex

I never said that. I just don't find black women attractive for reasons unknown.

I blame the white supremacist culture I live in. Despite living in an area where at least 1 in 3/4 young women on the street might be black, almost all models on TV, posters, magazines, etc are white. This has probably warped beauty standards for us all.

Besides, Chinese chicks are OK.

[demiGOD]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Besides, Chinese chicks are OK.

chinese and the whole oriental world of females in general, will do anything you tell them to do - i promise you that

[Nusselt]

Originally Posted by demiGOD

chinese and the whole oriental world of females in general, will do anything you tell them to do - i promise you that

Thats probably the point dante was trying to make (i can't tell because of the roll eyes) you desire women who are submissive and accommodating (no bad thing, id count most males on GD including myself as being sadists in some manner) and perceive (through media etc) those qualities in oriental women. My dealings with the non master races has lead me to conclude that women of all appearances are nagging cows and no manner of social engineering can get rid of this.

[demiGOD]

yes.. yes uhm...... yes, yes and yes - absolutely!

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by demiGOD

chinese and the whole oriental world of females in general, will do anything you tell them to do - i promise you that

Why would I need an oriental woman for that?

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Despite living in an area where at least 1 in 3/4 young women on the street might be black

Or 133%?

[CrashTester]

Well, the good news about this guy is he is leaving on Friday so I wont have to put up with his hijacking anymore. But since he knows he is leaving he has taken the gayness up a gear. I just got back from lunch and he sat next to me, that was OK, but he kept touching my leg at every opportunity until eventually I had to reposition myself.

While I accept that most poofs dont generally jump on every man they see, this guy is really pushing his gayness into my personal space, and I dont appreciate it. This isnt just me noticing it, my mate clocked it too.

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by hyfe

Yes, it was. It was about how Crashtester didn't get to objectify and oogle the girls because he felt uncomfortable doing it around a gay person.

Nope, completely wrong. I couldnt give a monkeys if the gay guy felt uncomfortable when we were 'objectifying and ogling' women, thats his problem. I objected to the way he hijacked the conversation towards gay topics each and everytime even though he is the only gay in the office and no-one else is really interested.

Let me also point out I dont really find his topics offensive but as they say, there is a time and a place, and in a group of hot blooded males in the staff restaurant is neither the time or the place. You dig?

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by JammyJim

no.....
in the same way that a gay guy wouldnt have sex with a woman (under normal circumstances)

Utter crap!!

A gay bloke I used to chat to at my old place was married to a woman for years while he was knowingly gay. He had sex with her regularly just as a normal couple would, he said he didnt enjoy it but he did it because she didnt know he was gay.

Please dont say this is an extraordinary circumstance, there are plenty of gays who do the same thing while dithering about whether they are actually gay or not.

Personally, I wouldnt and couldnt have sex with a man no matter what the reason, especially to maintain a false pretense.

[Phang]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

Utter crap!!

A gay bloke I used to chat to at my old place was married to a woman for years while he was knowingly gay. He had sex with her regularly just as a normal couple would, he said he didnt enjoy it but he did it because she didnt know he was gay.

Please dont say this is an extraordinary circumstance, there are plenty of gays who do the same thing while dithering about whether they are actually gay or not.

Personally, I wouldnt and couldnt have sex with a man no matter what the reason, especially to maintain a false pretense.

that's not a normal cicrumstance. that's being scared rigid and in the closet you stupid ****.

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Hot blooded males. What a wonderful phrase.

..yes, and one of the many toungue in cheek phrases I've used throughout to stoke the fires of this discussion. But still wonderful none the less.

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Because you're intimidated?

No, just not natural.

[Nusselt]

So basically, crashtester doesn't mind people who are different as long as they aren't different around him.

Have to say i empathise with the gay man in all this (but to be fair who doesn't?), ive had it with morons who only want to speak about football and/or jordan's tits. If i were in your office id have made friends with the gay guy and would be well on the way to neg repping you.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

Hot blooded males. What a wonderful phrase.

Gays are lizards you know.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Besides, Chinese chicks are OK.

They are waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy beyond OK.

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Nusselt

So basically, crashtester doesn't mind people who are different as long as they aren't different around him.

Have to say i empathise with the gay man in all this (but to be fair who doesn't?), ive had it with morons who only want to speak about football and/or jordan's tits. If i were in your office id have made friends with the gay guy and would be well on the way to neg repping you.

I genuinely dont believe you are stupid, so on this occasion I wont treat you as such.

But lets say you are having a party in your back garden with family and friends, a mild mannered affair with lots of Abba and Grease songs playing when all of a sudden the pikey family who live across the road decide to invite themselves along.

So far not too much of a problem, the pikeys actually seem pleasant enough in small doses, so the party continues. But then, the pikeys decide to do what they see as normal and start arguing and fighting among themselves and your guests.

But hey f*ck it, they are just different. Let them just be themselves you say. Even if it means crashing in on someone elses party.

[Aryn]

well that's a bit of a silly comparison isn't it? i mean your ' party ' sounds like it could get pretty destructive. the conversation however is completely harmless.
and if it bothers you guys then why don't you tell him so? (unless you already said you tried and i missed that part)
but it sounds like you guys just sit there and listen.. and now you're whining to us about it. where i'm sure if you said ' hey dude that talk is uncool' then he'll stop.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

But hey f*ck it, they are just different. Let them just be themselves you say. Even if it means crashing in on someone elses party.

Except that you control what goes on at your party, and not at work, or at least something of that intent that I can't be bothered to word correctly.

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

But lets say you are having a party in your back garden with family and friends, a mild mannered affair with lots of Abba and Grease songs playing

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

When it turns out in a Tyler Durden sense this thread is actually about you I shan't be suprised.

mama mia he's a queer!

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Aryn

well that's a bit of a silly comparison isn't it? i mean your ' party ' sounds like it could get pretty destructive. the conversation however is completely harmless.
and if it bothers you guys then why don't you tell him so? (unless you already said you tried and i missed that part)
but it sounds like you guys just sit there and listen.. and now you're whining to us about it. where i'm sure if you said ' hey dude that talk is uncool' then he'll stop.

Its a perfect comparison. I dont see how a party of friends and family playing abba and grease sounds pretty destructive, maybe in your neck of the woods but where I am it isnt. The thing that makes it destructive is the pikeys!

If we told him to stop with the gayness, guess what we would be called?

HOMOPHOBES!!!!

But I will try saying 'hey dude thats uncool' next time he does it and expect to be called a homophobe. I suppose then I cant really complain anymore at all.

[Aryn]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

Its a perfect comparison. I dont see how a party of friends and family playing abba and grease sounds pretty destructive, maybe in your neck of the woods but where I am it isnt. The thing that makes it destructive is the pikeys!

that's what i meant.

or you guys could just walk away and find another corner of the office to talk.

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Aryn

that's what i meant.

or you guys could just walk away and find another corner of the office to talk.

We are generall in the corner of the restaurant minding our own business and he invites himeself (and some of his work colleagues) to join us then starts with the gay comments. Its not polite to walk away or tell him not to join us, we dont mind him joining us just so long as he stops persistantly bringing the gayness into the conversation.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

Its a perfect comparison. I dont see how a party of friends and family playing abba and grease sounds pretty destructive, maybe in your neck of the woods but where I am it isnt. The thing that makes it destructive is the pikeys!

If you can't see the problems with comparing a place of work with a private function, and 'pikeys' with homosexualists, then you're even more stupid than previously imagined.

Furthermore, when's that party you said you would be throwing?

[Ninja_spammer]

This thread makes me want to weep.

[onetwothree]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

Do you have a gay in the office, or your school, or anywhere else you frequent?

I've got one here in my office and just recently he has been joining me and my macho manly pal and the girls on breaks and I notice that whenever he is around, the subject always turns to gayness.

To be honest, Im happy taking to my mate in secret code about how lovely/buxtom/dirty the other girls in the office are and dont really want to have our free time hijacked by gayness.

I've noticed that this isnt an isolated incident either. In my last office a guy outed himself and from then on all he talked about was his gayness. Its like they have to push it in peoples faces 24/7.

Go on, call me a homophobe, but dont you think its all a bit unnecessary?

Minority groups tend to obsess about themselves, it's only natural.

[Ninja_spammer]

Originally Posted by onetwothree

Minority groups tend to obsess about themselves, it's only natural.

You're new and your opinion doesn't count.


We are going to begin throwing faeces at you and screeching like monkeys.

Flee little one Flee........

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

If you can't see the problems with comparing a place of work with a private function, and 'pikeys' with homosexualists, then you're even more stupid than previously imagined.

Furthermore, when's that party you said you would be throwing?

I belive the actual places and people concerned are irrelevant, it is the action of one person/group coming into another group and making their differences the focal point of all topics of conversation that is.

The party is this Saturday.

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Ninja_spammer

You're new and your opinion doesn't count.

Not at all, his small contribution is about the only piece of sense to have come from this thread by any other poster other than me.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by onetwothree

Minority groups tend to obsess about themselves, it's only natural.

Do you mean minorities like white people, men, or Christians? Speaking globally, of course.

[Ninja_spammer]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

Not at all, his small contribution is about the only piece of sense to have come from this thread by any other poster other than me.

Situational awareness is key.

[Dante Hicks]

On-topic ; Anyone who discusses their sex life in intimate detail is pretty boring tbh. Unless it's hilarious and involves failing miserably time after time.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

I belive the actual places and people concerned are irrelevant, it is the action of one person/group coming into another group and making their differences the focal point of all topics of conversation that is.

Except at the party they have no right to be there except at your leave. At your place of employment, they have an equal right to be there as you.

As for the reason why homophobia is different from disliking pikies, check earlier in this thread.

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Except at the party they have no right to be there except at your leave. At your place of employment, they have an equal right to be there as you.

Since when was there a right to talk to whoever you want, regardless of their wishes?

[Yahwe]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Since when was there a right to talk to whoever you want, regardless of their wishes?

to anyone who couldn't tell, nod is a student.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Since when was there a right to talk to whoever you want, regardless of their wishes?

1839.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Since when was there a right to talk to whoever you want, regardless of their wishes?

From the original "story" if everyone in Crashtesters group didn't want to talk to the gay guy they could easily make him feel uncomfortable, or change the subject, or ignore him, or whatever. It seems like Crashtester has more of a problem with it than anyone else.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Nodrog

Since when was there a right to talk to whoever you want, regardless of their wishes?

During rape.

[Ebany]

You havent clearly explained quite what it is that he is doing that bothers you so much. Does he come along and start talking about how he had a really good shag last night and he loves having c-ck up his arse? Does he just mention guys he finds attractive? Does he start coming on to you?

These are all very different things. The first could easily be described as sexual harrassment these days, and I think most would agree is unwelcome in most office conversations. Just as talking in graphic detail about a girl you'd had recently wouldnt be appropriate. The second may be a simple attempt to try to join your conversation, its the same basic subject matter. If it was a girl talking about a guy she liked you'd not find it disturbing,and maybe if youre an enlightened guy (which I dont really get the impression you are) you may even try to give an objectove opinion on said chap. The third...well, you never know, maybe hes just trying to get lucky. Theres nothing odd about men chatting up women at every opportunity, so why shouldnt a gay guy try to chat up men. If youre not interested, just say so. 'Sorry mate, I'm not that way inclined'. Its not something that gets taken as an insult, any more than you do if a girl politely gives you the brush off.

And as was mentioned above, its tough to keep a conversation going on your own. If hes straying into areas you and your friends dont want to talk about, Reply with a non-commital 'yeah, great', and start talking about football or something. Keep doing this every time, and he will get the message. Just as you would if someone came and started talking avidly about last nights Corrie or something else you have no interest in. If the conversation keeps going this way then others must be talking with him, so maybe others arent as concerned about it as you are.

In my first year at uni I was in a flat with a lesbian girl, who had a tendency to pinch all of our bums when we werent expecting it. After she did it one time I just said straight out 'Look, I'm not confortable with that, could you not do it please', and she stopped, and was fine with it. All the others were too paranoid to say anything, and ended up avoiding her. While there is nothing wrong with someone being gay, it is only fair of them to respect your right to be straight too. This doesnt have to mean hiding their gayness away, but it does mean not aiming anything sexual at you if you've indicated discomfort about it.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by roadrunner_0

well, think again, MM is quite menacing really

I've just noticed this.

Once again, you and Stuart conspire to heap slanders upon my reputation!

[Ninja_spammer]

Originally Posted by Ebany

You havent clearly explained quite what it is that he is doing that bothers you so much. Does he come along and start talking about how he had a really good shag last night and he loves having c-ck up his arse? Does he just mention guys he finds attractive? Does he start coming on to you?

These are all very different things. The first could easily be described as sexual harrassment these days, and I think most would agree is unwelcome in most office conversations. Just as talking in graphic detail about a girl you'd had recently wouldnt be appropriate. The second may be a simple attempt to try to join your conversation, its the same basic subject matter. If it was a girl talking about a guy she liked you'd not find it disturbing,and maybe if youre an enlightened guy (which I dont really get the impression you are) you may even try to give an objectove opinion on said chap. The third...well, you never know, maybe hes just trying to get lucky. Theres nothing odd about men chatting up women at every opportunity, so why shouldnt a gay guy try to chat up men. If youre not interested, just say so. 'Sorry mate, I'm not that way inclined'. Its not something that gets taken as an insult, any more than you do if a girl politely gives you the brush off.

And as was mentioned above, its tough to keep a conversation going on your own. If hes straying into areas you and your friends dont want to talk about, Reply with a non-commital 'yeah, great', and start talking about football or something. Keep doing this every time, and he will get the message. Just as you would if someone came and started talking avidly about last nights Corrie or something else you have no interest in. If the conversation keeps going this way then others must be talking with him, so maybe others arent as concerned about it as you are.

In my first year at uni I was in a flat with a lesbian girl, who had a tendency to pinch all of our bums when we werent expecting it. After she did it one time I just said straight out 'Look, I'm not confortable with that, could you not do it please', and she stopped, and was fine with it. All the others were too paranoid to say anything, and ended up avoiding her. While there is nothing wrong with someone being gay, it is only fair of them to respect your right to be straight too. This doesnt have to mean hiding their gayness away, but it does mean not aiming anything sexual at you if you've indicated discomfort about it.

*Sense*

W00t!

[onetwothree]

Originally Posted by Ninja_spammer

You're new and your opinion doesn't count.


We are going to begin throwing faeces at you and screeching like monkeys.

Flee little one Flee........

I may be new, but your reaction has shown that my opinion does count.

[Nusselt]

Originally Posted by CrashTester

I genuinely dont believe you are stupid, so on this occasion I wont treat you as such.

Why thank you, i wish i could reciprocate.

Your analogy doesn't hold for as jakiri pointed out you're comparing a private function with a public place. The differences between the two are very relevant but i won't go into that as it'll be a digression. It would help your case (but not much) if you said the gay man was becoming violent.

Im not sure which part of my post you had the biggest irritation with, i stated that you don't mind people who are different as long as they aren't different around you. After rereading the thread i stand by that.

[onetwothree]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Do you mean minorities like white people, men, or Christians? Speaking globally, of course.

Typically yes. I can't claim for there to be no exceptions.

[LHC]

I got offended the one time I saw gays kissing; if this makes me a homophobe I don't care.

[onetwothree]

Originally Posted by LHC

I got offended the one time I saw gays kissing; if this makes me a homophobe I don't care.

jealous?

[CrashTester]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

From the original "story" if everyone in Crashtesters group didn't want to talk to the gay guy they could easily make him feel uncomfortable, or change the subject, or ignore him, or whatever. It seems like Crashtester has more of a problem with it than anyone else.

Not at all, we dont mind him talking to us, we dont mind him being there, we just dont like the conversation ALWAYS turning to gayness. Huge difference.