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2 Apr 2007, 23:11
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Bolivian Alpaca
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Are stats final?
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2 Apr 2007, 23:18
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Bolivian Alpaca
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by jerome
yeah xan with the UNSTOPPABLE FI/CO is the underpowered one here ....... especially when every race bar etd is more open to be roided by them..
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Their fi/co fleet makes them incredible roiders.
Their inability to defend themselves against any race but ziks makes them incredible targets.
Xan players will be either huge def leeches, or XP planets.
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2 Apr 2007, 23:18
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
"Whyare they such a great xp race. There is loadsa of anti bs\de around"
well ter bs own zik, xan and ter - so there should be no shortage of targets out there
edit: no other attackfleet I can see, that can take on 3 races
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2 Apr 2007, 23:37
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by Gio2k
Their fi/co fleet makes them incredible roiders.
Their inability to defend themselves against any race but ziks makes them incredible targets.
Xan players will be either huge def leeches, or XP planets.
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no race will be an xp planet in this round with that formula, also when zik/cat/ter can be roided a lot easier than xan, i doubt they need upgrading in any sense
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2 Apr 2007, 23:57
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by jerome
no race will be an xp planet in this round with that formula, also when zik/cat/ter can be roided a lot easier than xan, i doubt they need upgrading in any sense
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I remember in 2nd half of rd 18, the round xp-formula is taken from, we had a cat-cr battlegroup in ToF that made fear the big planets, we clearly played for xp and speaking for myself, I really did fine with it.
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3 Apr 2007, 00:17
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Bolivian Alpaca
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by jerome
no race will be an xp planet in this round with that formula, also when zik/cat/ter can be roided a lot easier than xan, i doubt they need upgrading in any sense
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I fail to see how cath, ter or zik are _easier_ to roid than xan:
If i were a terran with bs, first target that comes to mind is xan.
If i were an etd with bs, same.
If i were a xan with fr, same. Probably i will look for ziks too, until they steal other anti-fr.
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3 Apr 2007, 02:58
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
If I played i would go Terran.
But then again old habits etc.. etc..
Think i had a credit left from 6 rounds ago would that still be around :P
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3 Apr 2007, 06:56
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by GrandAdm Thrawn
edit: no other attackfleet I can see, that can take on 3 races
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Cathaar cruisers (cathaar, zikonian, xandathrii, eitrades).
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3 Apr 2007, 08:14
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by GrandAdm Thrawn
"Whyare they such a great xp race. There is loadsa of anti bs\de around"
well ter bs own zik, xan and ter - so there should be no shortage of targets out there
edit: no other attackfleet I can see, that can take on 3 races
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Cath CR has been mentioned, and xan fi\co can take on mostly anything.
Sure their BS aint bad, but their DE isnt too good and they cant defend themself for ****.
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3 Apr 2007, 08:36
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by Tietäjä
Cathaar cruisers (cathaar, zikonian, xandathrii, eitrades).
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they can roid ter aswell cant they?
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3 Apr 2007, 09:01
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by `mac^
they can roid ter aswell cant they?
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Check urself u bone idol git :P
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3 Apr 2007, 09:16
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
cba
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4 Apr 2007, 07:36
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Good Son
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by `mac^
they can roid ter aswell cant they?
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Not really. Tarantula isn't efficient enough to stun a battleship fleet of large value.
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4 Apr 2007, 08:30
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Id assume that most terrans would have their BS fleet out rather than letting it be pinned at home
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4 Apr 2007, 08:38
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by `mac^
Id assume that most terrans would have their BS fleet out rather than letting it be pinned at home
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Assumption is the mother of all **** ups.
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4 Apr 2007, 10:48
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Hello Tietäjä
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
apparently stats are final, i tried to make suggestions lastnight to monroe, but he's pretty much resigned himself to his fate (quote not opinion) and cant be bothered to change the stats any more.
only thing i'd say is etd are a bit too good defensively, and their co is a bit too weak and cath cr are a bit too good.
i suggested changes to combat all 3 issues but monroe didnt want to change the targeting inits or 'type' of the ships in question. the chnages suggested would have made etd a viable option to attack for CO and Xan Fi/Co, and alowed etd to not worry so much about Cath cr incs (which are really overpowered atm). i made my case, he agreed, but didn't want to try them. go figure.
Still, I've said it before, these stats aren't horrendous, but keeping rocks this round will be damned hard.
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4 Apr 2007, 13:19
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
So the stats on the portal manual are the final stats? Or is it the stats shown on the beta manual?
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4 Apr 2007, 13:19
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Bolivian Alpaca
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Looks like this round will be a roid swapping contest.
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4 Apr 2007, 13:24
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Good Son
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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Originally Posted by -Blue Moon-
Still, I've said it before, these stats aren't horrendous, but keeping rocks this round will be damned hard.
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The "point" was to make every race able to attack every race, which naturally results in little defence ships in a 5 race setup. I don't know WHY every race has to be able to attack every other race, there are five races after all.
But hey.
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4 Apr 2007, 13:26
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio2k
Looks like this round will be a roid swapping contest.
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def fleets ftw
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4 Apr 2007, 13:38
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Bolivian Alpaca
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
What def fleets?
I predict 1 of 4 waves will be lucky to get a def fleet in this round.
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4 Apr 2007, 14:07
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Please, Strategy is a respectable place for respectable people to have respectable discussions. Kindly stay a bit more on topic in future. <3
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4 Apr 2007, 14:10
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Bolivian Alpaca
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
What is exactly offtopic?
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4 Apr 2007, 14:18
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Good Son
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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What is exactly offtopic?
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Whipped cream, the color blue, mentally handicapped, and cars.
Trashing (negatively commenting) the ship statistics seems off-topic.
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4 Apr 2007, 17:20
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Oh dear god zik are crap
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4 Apr 2007, 21:45
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Ter and Zik seems to be the main losers.
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4 Apr 2007, 21:54
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Seconded.
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4 Apr 2007, 22:07
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
I don't get why Terr are considered so bad, but yeah zik sucks.
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5 Apr 2007, 06:13
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Terrans BS fleet is good while its DE fleet has such an immense amount of things targetting it. Its also far to easy to roid terrans making the roids they get not last very long.
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5 Apr 2007, 07:49
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
Yeah, and with the fresh Scorpion the battleship fleet has ceased being so good too. There are now two zero-lossers against it (too). Prefer xandathrii fighters and corvettes for versatile three fleeting for the eight weeks to come.
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5 Apr 2007, 09:57
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Hello Tietäjä
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
can someone suggest that the scorpion empres be changed to about 64 please? im at work and cant get on irc to suggest it.
at the moment you need 7.1 guns to stun a scorpion, which cost 10461 resources, and the scorpion only costs 3800 to build.
that means 100k value of Tulas could only stun 36.3k value of scorpions, which is a bit ridiculous and makes the scorpion a horrendously powerful empflack ship.
if you change it to 64, then you need 2.6 guns which cost 4068 resources, meaning 100k value tulas will stun 93.4k of scorpion (making it the second most expensive overall ship to stun, but still maintaining its status as the best emp resistant (per cost) battleship)
edit: WTF AM I GETTING NEGREPPED FOR THIS, GET A ****ING LIFE YOU SAD LOSERS
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5 Apr 2007, 21:04
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Re: Beta/Provisional R21 Stats
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So the stats on the portal manual are the final stats? Or is it the stats shown on the beta manual?
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the final stats are the ones in beta manual, those in portal manual are still the old ones from before beta
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