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Sergio · 9 Jul 2003, 16:14

Anyone knows?
He was #1 a while ago. According to pilkara he dropped 30% in roids and some score. I newsied him, and there are no signs of an attack, so the only possibility would be he infringed a rule.
Who knows something about it??

Nitros · 9 Jul 2003, 16:21

and who do you mean? probably sliekas i think...he got fleet catched and lost some score etc..

Drvar · 9 Jul 2003, 16:29

he means the "If I Sneeze On You" planet. He probably farmed, but didnt multi, as in, his freinds let him roid their planets. In the past they took away roids/score for that, probably happened here too.

The_Fish · 9 Jul 2003, 16:33

he did an alliance retal, for deffing against him, they took away score and roids as punishment.

Sergio · 9 Jul 2003, 16:35

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Originally posted by The_Fish
he did an alliance retal, for deffing against him, they took away score and roids as punishment.

I am sorry, but i either fail to understand what you're saying, or it doesn't make any sense.

ComradeRob · 9 Jul 2003, 16:46

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Originally posted by The_Fish
he did an alliance retal, for deffing against him, they took away score and roids as punishment.

How retarded :\

Toop · 9 Jul 2003, 16:56

haha

alliance retals = farming

looking at the description of farming it does kinda make sense though:
"Any attack launched with consent of the attacked planet’s user with the agreed goal of giving the attacking planet asteroids or ships, without suffering what is deemed as normal fleet losses in the process.."

The_Fish · 9 Jul 2003, 17:00

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
How retarded :\

indeed.

I dont know exactly what happened, but its close enough, I dont know if its farming or not, if the defending planet agreed.

Blend · 9 Jul 2003, 17:03

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
How retarded :\

What's really retarded is alliance retals...

SilverSmoke · 9 Jul 2003, 17:05

so in fact over 30% of his roids where gained by alliance retals ?

The_Fish · 9 Jul 2003, 17:11

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
so in fact over 30% of his roids where gained by alliance retals ?

when did anyone say that?

SilverSmoke · 9 Jul 2003, 17:11

thats what i was wondering about

Leshy · 9 Jul 2003, 17:12

As far as I know the 'retal' was against an allied planet he had no direct interaction with whatsoever, and got 6 ticks of free roiding for it, totalling towards 1k roids. That's not a retal anymore - that's farming.

He was reduced in size and score as punishment.

das_experiment · 9 Jul 2003, 17:13

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Originally posted by The_Fish
when did anyone say that?

thats what he lsot

25% score

30% roids

The_Fish · 9 Jul 2003, 17:15

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
thats what i was wondering about

no, 30% of his roids were not be alliance retals.

Leshy, as I said, I dont know the full story.

The_Fish · 9 Jul 2003, 17:16

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Originally posted by das_experiment
thats what he lsot

25% score

30% roids

what kind of deterrant is taking what you took? if I stole £100, a fine of £100 wouldnt stop someone doing it again.

das_experiment · 9 Jul 2003, 17:16

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Originally posted by Leshy
As far as I know the 'retal' was against an allied planet he had no direct interaction with whatsoever, and got 6 ticks of free roiding for it, totalling towards 1k roids. That's not a retal anymore - that's farming.

He was reduced in size and score as punishment.

In my opinion that is fair and square.

xtothez · 9 Jul 2003, 17:19

PA crew seem to consider authed retals as "naughty, but not quite as naughty as farming". Hence the 30% roid confiscation in the same vein as Rabba's slap on the wrist for ship farming last round.

And for those just dying to say how just/unjust it was based on current hostilities with that planet, it is Dragons command. Now let loose your bias, er, flames.

MrL_JaKiri · 9 Jul 2003, 17:25

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Originally posted by xtothez
PA crew seem to consider authed retals as "naughty, but not quite as naughty as farming". Hence the 30% roid confiscation in the same vein as Rabba's slap on the wrist for ship farming last round.

Slap on the wrist? HAH

Blend · 9 Jul 2003, 18:14

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Originally posted by Leshy
As far as I know the 'retal' was against an allied planet he had no direct interaction with whatsoever, and got 6 ticks of free roiding for it, totalling towards 1k roids. That's not a retal anymore - that's farming.

Sounds more like farming, yeah...

Hicks · 9 Jul 2003, 18:15

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Originally posted by Blend
What's really retarded is alliance retals...

How are alliances surpossed to disipline their members then ?

gzambo · 9 Jul 2003, 18:19

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Originally posted by Hicks
How are alliances surpossed to disipline their members then ?

2 options i suppose
1, kick em out and roid them dry.
2, make them assist others attacking without benefiting from it.

obviously option 1 is extreme but each case should be judged on it's severity

Leshy · 9 Jul 2003, 18:32

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Originally posted by Hicks
How are alliances surpossed to disipline their members then ?

A viewpoint I agree with.I've argued in favour of alliance retals, as I personally would not like to see them put equal to farming.

However, you cannot deny that the 'alliance retal' is currently being abused on a grand scale in order to get roids to top planets, rather than as an actual disciplinary action.

Shev · 9 Jul 2003, 18:48

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Originally posted by Hicks
How are alliances surpossed to disipline their members then ?

Suspending defence for a period of time, low-priority defence for a period of time, escorting the wronged member to gain roids back from another planet.

Theres three right there, and i'm sure a little thought would come up with more ways that don't involve a direct infringement of the rules.

ComradeRob · 9 Jul 2003, 18:51

Alliance retals are not farming because the person who is attacked does not ask for the retal.

Fist · 9 Jul 2003, 19:01

This is how authed retals should be handeled

<Maddix> fury wanted to retal a legion gal cos a rah member from a legion gal was doing a rah authed retal on a rah member in a fury gal without fury's permission
<Maddix> (if that makes sense)

Blend · 9 Jul 2003, 19:03

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Originally posted by Shev
Suspending defence for a period of time, low-priority defence for a period of time, escorting the wronged member to gain roids back from another planet.

Those three are good

zenopus · 9 Jul 2003, 20:29

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Originally posted by Blend
What's really retarded is alliance retals...

How very true.
Particularly as there are alternatives that do not break the rules of PA.

Nacho_OuZo · 9 Jul 2003, 20:39

ehm leshy,

since when a planet got reopend again when it farmed????
alot of planets got closed in pa history for farming.. and now pa crew reopen planet with this kind of punishment?

rofl.. either u close him.. or u reopen all planets pff.. this is lame..
violating rulz = closed? or did i mixed anything?

let the flame start \o/

Illogical · 9 Jul 2003, 20:46

PA CREW ARE MORE CORRUPT THAN THE AMERICANS, I MEAN THE FRENCH, WAIT I MEAN TONY BLAIR, NO I DONT I MEAN THE ITALLIAN PRIME MINISTER

EITHER WAY THEY ARE CORRUPT!!

xtothez · 9 Jul 2003, 20:47

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Originally posted by ComradeRob
Alliance retals are not farming because the person who is attacked does not ask for the retal.

The problem is that it presents a loophole to the no-farming rule. If authed retals were legal then everyone would claim them when closed for farming. A necessary evil I believe.

xtothez · 9 Jul 2003, 20:55

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Originally posted by Nacho_OuZo
violating rulz = closed? or did i mixed anything?

Yes.

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Originally posted here
Punishments:

There are several ways of punishing people who have broken any of the above mentioned rules. Please note that the applied punishments are not fixed per case and are as everything at the discretion of the Planetarion HQ to implement as they see fit. Punishments can include:

Temporary ban: forced vacation mode for your planet for a fixed number of ticks
Reduction in assets: Loss of resources, asteroids or fleet in relation to the committed offense.
Full planet reset: planet is reset to the pre-game status, 3 uninitiated roids, research/construction cleared, fleets / scans / etc. cleared.
Closure/Deletion of account: removal from the account from the game.

Gerbie · 9 Jul 2003, 20:56

New rule for joining LDK:
attack one of the LDK players with 1 fighter and get retalled.

Ok, soz, couldn't help myself.

Come on: we all know the rules, close that guy!! There are hundreds of planets that need to be investigated for all kinds of cheating, now for once you seem to have sufficient proof. At last. Act or stop the round and say LDK won for outplaying the multi hunters.

Leshy · 9 Jul 2003, 21:13

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Originally posted by Nacho_OuZo
since when a planet got reopend again when it farmed????

The planet in question was closed upon finding him guilty of farming, and it was decided that a roid/resource penalty would be the most justified course of action. The planet in question did not agree with this and thus for reasons that need not be made public, but are known to those concerned, he was closed longer than normally would have been the case.

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violating rulz = closed? or did i mixed anything?

As has been said, there are several ways of punishment, depending on the severity of the offense committed by the planet in question.

zenopus · 9 Jul 2003, 21:24

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Originally posted by Leshy
... As has been said, there are several ways of punishment, depending on the severity of the offense committed by the planet in question.

And in this case the extent of the offense. I assume there was no evidence of earlier acts of farming, so closing would have been unproportionally harsh. Removing what he gained and a bit OTOH sends a clear message to the alliance; they can have their own rules but have to operate within the rules of PA.

Zeus · 9 Jul 2003, 22:20

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Originally posted by Leshy
The planet in question was closed upon finding him guilty of farming, and it was decided that a roid/resource penalty would be the most justified course of action. The planet in question did not agree with this and thus for reasons that need not be made public, but are known to those concerned, he was closed longer than normally would have been the case.
As has been said, there are several ways of punishment, depending on the severity of the offense committed by the planet in question.

Wow!

New code of conduct introduced kewl!
Just to clearify, farming pentaly now equals a percentage loss of roids & fleet instead of Close/Delete, which has always been the enforcment of breaking the PA rules, which are there for everyone benifit.

If so, is it depenedant on the attack he was caught doing or ?

If answer too both is yes. Then I would guess will be a very bad thing thing to enforce/achieve and in my opinion bad.

Leshy · 9 Jul 2003, 22:33

I am sorry Zeus, but I can not answer that question, as I am not one of the multihunters or admins, and because I have probably already said more about this case than I should.

However, PA Team tries to be fair in all cases that they handle, and in this case the decision was made not to go for a closure/deletion procedure of his planet, but to impose a score and size reduction. This is not a unique case or even a highly uncommon way of punishment, and in no way does this legalize farming or does this exempt people from the rules of Planetarion.

Zeus · 9 Jul 2003, 22:47

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Originally posted by Leshy
I am sorry Zeus, but I can not answer that question, as I am not one of the multihunters or admins, and because I have probably already said more about this case than I should.

However, PA Team tries to be fair in all cases that they handle, and in this case the decision was made not to go for a closure/deletion procedure of his planet, but to impose a score and size reduction. This is not a unique case or even a highly uncommon way of punishment, and in no way does this legalize farming or does this exempt people from the rules of Planetarion.

Nps m8ty, and I understand the confidenciality issues, I should of know to ask publically. I am sorry.

SilverSmoke · 9 Jul 2003, 22:56

you never was the sharpest tool in the PA crew box :/

Zeus · 9 Jul 2003, 23:03

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Originally posted by SilverSmoke
you never was the sharpest tool in the PA crew box :/

lol, maybe not the sharpest in your opinion, but DIFFO have the biggest tool

Flip · 9 Jul 2003, 23:08

As PA evolves, rules will become more clear. There's a reason afterall why it takes so long to pass a new law in any given country.. Has to make sure it is very clear and concrete, and pays attention to every little detail...
My opinion.. well.. PACrew are doing their best without being oppressive.. Because believe me... there's nothing stopping them from closing planets on mere suspicion, except of course for their sense of fairness, and I'm sure they don't want to be oppressors.

Bottom line: Live with that the crew decides... Don't see the point complaining.. Just makes one look like an arse.

Knight Theamion · 10 Jul 2003, 00:02

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Originally posted by Fist
This is how authed retals should be handeled

<Maddix> fury wanted to retal a legion gal cos a rah member from a legion gal was doing a rah authed retal on a rah member in a fury gal without fury's permission
<Maddix> (if that makes sense)

that's indeed 'teh way'

Tri · 10 Jul 2003, 01:26

Well, how stupid is that? I mean, he was my MoC and later GC this round.. He never condoned cheating whatsoever..

Pa-Crew is totally redicoulous, authed retals has always been there, its a way for the alliances to 'punish' members.. Clearly, it should be very easy to see the difference between real farming and a retal?

Really, this guy would never cheat..

Pa-Crew, you guys blow, and you've just lost ANOTHER player.
Pld you, way too narrowsighted.. *sigh*

Leshy · 10 Jul 2003, 01:29

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Originally posted by Tri
Clearly, it should be very easy to see the difference between real farming and a retal?

Yes, in this case it was indeed very much visible

Obliterate · 10 Jul 2003, 02:02

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Originally posted by Tri

Really, this guy would never cheat..

That's what they all say.

skipper · 10 Jul 2003, 02:20

COME ON!

sigrid · 10 Jul 2003, 02:33

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Originally posted by The_Fish
he did an alliance retal, for deffing against him, they took away score and roids as punishment.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yer sure

ITS NOT FARMING, ITS A RETAL

sigrid · 10 Jul 2003, 02:37

and btw, NOT closing for farming is lame, it will just make more ppl take the risk..if the benefits are taken away they end up same level as the honest players anyway, so where is the exact punishment then?

rshih · 10 Jul 2003, 03:18

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Originally posted by Drvar
he means the "If I Sneeze On You" planet. He probably farmed, but didnt multi, as in, his freinds let him roid their planets. In the past they took away roids/score for that, probably happened here too.

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ya.... he's still got some res tho, like around 80 mil m now i think. He was my gc =/ and now our gal sux0rs even more then before.