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Unread 15 Jul 2008, 09:29   #51
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Re: Abuse of Position?

evidently not ( as none of it applies ), that was one of the subtle points i was making.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

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Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.
It was when he was simply expressing his views and findings, the other threads are just a collection of people trying to clear their name or denying involvement.
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Unread 15 Jul 2008, 09:53   #53
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Re: Abuse of Position?

I don't think you understand what "constructive" means.
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Unread 15 Jul 2008, 12:52   #54
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Re: Abuse of Position?

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Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.

If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.
And if I just drop it what's the end result. Once again Zero because they will continue to ignore the issue and it will be swept under the carpet. Its the kind of attitude your expressing that is one of PA's biggest issues for the community. There is just too much apathy shown towards cheats by the alliances that harbour them and everyone else. They would rather benefit and then claim ignorance than take action.

And in this case ignorance is not even a passable excuse
  1. We have a 'figurehead' of orbit who used to be HC and still has access to the HC channel who cheated by multing
  2. We have this cheat discussing it in the HC channel with the HC. This is after he was supposedly told not to but openly discusses logging into a second account
  3. The cheat is caught, he denies cheating claiming it was his brothers account that he was 'helping' him with
  4. The Orbit HC are claiming that he didnt cheat. The support team member of orbits HC stating that He didnt multi, he just was dumb enough to not change IP when logging into a second account
  5. The Orbit HC deny they knew anything about it including people who the evidence shows openly discussed it
  6. Another Orbit HC admits to knowing after the cheat discussed it but failed to report it
  7. The Orbit HC accept the cheats new account back into their alliance. Something the Support team member of the HC confirms when I tell him its his fault that the HC accepted the cheat back and he says "i personally didnt"

The orbit HC are endorsing cheating as they knowing let an alliance figurehead cheat, they then openly argue he didnt cheat before accepting his new account back in. All the while letting those with undeniable proof that they knew and endorsed get away with being cheat enablers.

Now if I drop it now, when no positive action has been taken by any honest members of Orbit and its HC that makes me no better than them as I would be knowingly letting cheats and cheat enablers sweep the indecent under the carpet while the community turns a blind eye. In effect I would be a cheat enabler myself and while others may be willing to turn a blind eye and let cheating go on I'm not. If that makes people 'not take me serious' then so be it, as I would rather be a honest and ethical joke than being respected but dishonest any day
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Unread 15 Jul 2008, 12:58   #55
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Re: Abuse of Position?

Do you realise how much publicity your giving Orbit ?

for ***** sake he was investigated, he was closed, if they chose to take him back ingame its their call, and looking back over the years its a call made many times by many alliances !

I realise this is your pet crusade this round, but the pa team cant stop him from signing up again, they oviously dont care about it, so they become an alliance known to take back cheats, it backfired on LDK, and ReBorn in the rounds it happened, let it go ! It will come back to bite them in its own time without you making this fuss about it.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

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Do you realise how much publicity your giving Orbit ?

for ***** sake he was investigated, he was closed, if they chose to take him back ingame its their call, and looking back over the years its a call made many times by many alliances !
This is bigger than just Masta though, which you, remy, orbit ect ect cant seem to get into your head. This wasn't some small scale cheating of 1 member but cheating done with the HC's knowledge and endorsement. Its this that is disgusting especially when once again one of the HC's in question is a member of the support team, someone who should know better and should be setting not just an example for their alliance but the whole game.

If it was just Masta cheating and there was no evidence of the HC knowing (and if the HC weren't making claims like he didn't cheat, he was just too dumb to change ip before logging into each account) then I would have to drop it as the action would have been taken. But its bigger than that and there's no reason they should be allowed to sweep it under the table and continue cheating like this
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Unread 15 Jul 2008, 14:35   #57
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Re: Abuse of Position?

The following is my personal view, not as a member of mh or support dept.:

Wakey,

I am not against people raising these kinds of issues. Not at all. I'm a big fan of name and shame too. But i was merely pointing out that at the moment, its getting so long you risk not to be taken seriously anymore. That's all i was saying. Just the fact that me and misty for example, call your actions a 'crusade', could be an indication of what some people think of it at the moment.

About the HCs knowing about the player cheating: yes, they might have known, or not. Regardless of the actual truth, the community will probably decide on some truth, a truth that is usually most convenient to the community.

If they knew, they might have done something that harms the community as a whole (not giving a good example, etc, blabla). Wether or not the HCs or their alliance is punished for that, depends on the same members of the community that accuse them. If the alliance will play next round with the same HCs (or partly at least), and they will have the same number of planets, then probably not many people actually care.

The issue of the member of support has been dealt with, or at least, so i have heard (i haven't been busy with it, not my job). The way it has been dealt with, may or may not be to your liking.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

you might want to take a look at the op and see who dragged up stuff that had been dead and buried before telling people their making a curfuffle.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

seriously everyone in this thread **** off.

Especially you cead, you were ascendancy, you know how easy it is to get relays, what you are piping on about I have nfi.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

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This is bigger than just Masta though, which you, remy, orbit ect ect cant seem to get into your head. This wasn't some small scale cheating of 1 member but cheating done with the HC's knowledge and endorsement. Its this that is disgusting especially when once again one of the HC's in question is a member of the support team, someone who should know better and should be setting not just an example for their alliance but the whole game.

If it was just Masta cheating and there was no evidence of the HC knowing (and if the HC weren't making claims like he didn't cheat, he was just too dumb to change ip before logging into each account) then I would have to drop it as the action would have been taken. But its bigger than that and there's no reason they should be allowed to sweep it under the table and continue cheating like this
and you my dear wakey need to stfu aswell, seriously you do. You are actually harping on over this way to much and quite frankly its enough. Cheats have existed since the start of pa, and yes everyone has harboured them, including your precious f-crew. Seriously though why in gods name are you such a carebear, I would genuinely like to know, bad childhood? bad dreams? Seriously give me anything to go off, so that I can at least understand a little bit about why you are such a carebear. You need to realise the game is dead and that no-one quite frankly gives a shit anymore, other than your caring self.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

we had a page and a bit on ronins relay and he didnt even get closed in the end, i figure we can get at least another page of passionate denials and salty tears for someone who actually got deleted
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Re: Abuse of Position?

As if u ever let a past cheater in to your alliance... or had one among you.

If they knew about the cheating and didnt act on it, thats nothing more than bad image to their alliance. Which I think this whole thread is about to clear their name.

Kind of pointless tho.
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Re: Abuse of Position?

i'm sorry but i blame cervantes!
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