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Unread 21 Sep 2005, 12:28   #1
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16 Years old - stabbed to death

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A teenage boy has been stabbed to death in a fight in east London.

The 16-year-old died following a brawl in a subway in Ilford.


The fight reportedly involved a group of 12 Asian youths.

An 18-year-old man arrested by police following the incident has now been released.
And they say all these things about English provoke racism et cetera
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

Racism about what? The kid himself was Asian*. Kids fight each other from time to time, and the majority of fights are with other people of their own race.

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Unread 21 Sep 2005, 12:48   #3
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

It is a fairly safe bet the victim ISN'T Asian as they emphasise the fact it was "12 Asians"
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

or perhaps they were all asian as the "fight involved up to 12 asian youths"
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How about reading the story? Trying to discover all the facts before jumping to conclusions?

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The Metropolitan Police have named him [The victim] as Kashif Mahmood, of Goodmayes Lane, Ilford.
I suppose you won't be all that bothered now it seems it was an Asian kid who was killed and not a White one.
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

Either way, a sixteen year old boy was killed.

Race really shouldn't come into this at all - black, white, yellow, whatever - that's an atrocious crime.
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I would ask people to note the fact that it merely says that these twelve boys were all involved in a brawl in the subway. It doesn't say that they all dived on the victim and stabbed him. I assume, judging by what is said in the story, that he was stabbed in the confusion of some kind of mass punch-up between all of them in the subway, but it's hard to tell.
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I suppose you won't be all that bothered now it seems it was an Asian kid who was killed and not a White one.
I think they might have added that bit after he originally posted the link, I'm not sure. Generally, the Media seems to "like" telling people the race of a victim to not arouse racial hatred or something.
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

Every race has it's fair percentage of morons.
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How about reading the story? Trying to discover all the facts before jumping to conclusions?
That information wasn't available at the time of my thread.

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Either way, a sixteen year old boy was killed.

Race really shouldn't come into this at all - black, white, yellow, whatever - that's an atrocious crime.

Agreed, but when I see/hear of race-hate crimes nearly every week in the area you kind of build up assumptions
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

stabbed by a gang in a Subway, did he order a Cold Cut Combo?

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That information wasn't available at the time of my thread.
The fact that there was "no more information avaliable" didn't stop you from jumping to unwarranted conclusions about a supposed racist nature to the whole thing. Even in the admitted abscence of the boy's name, there was no basis for your initial bandwagon-jumping regarding racism against Whites.
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Perhaps the victim was Pakistani and the attackers were Indian?
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I live in Ilford heh... :|
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The fact that there was "no more information avaliable" didn't stop you from jumping to unwarranted conclusions about a supposed racist nature to the whole thing. Even in the admitted abscence of the boy's name, there was no basis for your initial bandwagon-jumping regarding racism against Whites.
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Agreed, but when I see/hear of race-hate crimes nearly every week in the area you kind of build up assumptions
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Agreed, but when I see/hear of race-hate crimes nearly every week in the area you kind of build up assumptions
yeah well you're an idiot then aren't you now.
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It looks to be that way
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as i suggested in the prejudice thread .. http://pirate.planetarion.com/showpo...55&postcount=7
i don't think it's necessarily idiotic to make assumptions, or to pre judge situations that you perceive similar to ones you have experienced before.
I couldn't have put it better myself, I just couldn't be bothered to explain myself to a retard
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

To be fair, the original wording of the story was rather poor, and it was possible to read in some racial element to the fight. Once they inserted the victims name that dissapated (as I said, it's possible he could be African I guess)

I'm not even sure why they even mentioned the ethnicity of those involved since it had zero relevance to the story.
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I couldn't have put it better myself, I just couldn't be bothered to explain myself to a retard
you had nothing. No-thing. to base your allegations on, except for 'hey some asians beat someone up, those ****ing asians always beating people up and pretending its the other way round' which was, in fact, exactly what your initial post was saying.

Which is highest-order bullshit.
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you had nothing. No-thing. to base your allegations on, except for 'hey some asians beat someone up, those ****ing asians always beating people up and pretending its the other way round' which was, in fact, exactly what your initial post was saying.

Which is highest-order bullshit.
Yes, my original post quite clearly states that, doesn't it!
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I was in Ilford the other day...
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

I've heard of Ilford.
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'hey some asians beat someone up, those ****ing asians always beating people up and pretending its the other way round'
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And they say all these things about English provoke racism et cetera
yes, that is what you were saying. Now **** off.
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I've never heard of Ilford (until now ofcourse).
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

Here in southern Californina, we have kids killing kids of all nationalities.

White boy shoots black boy, yellow boy shoots brown boy, so on and so forth...visa versa.

The only people who give a damn about the nationality or culture of a person is the media, and the racists who eat it up.

In the end, some kids killed some kids. Tomorrow I will go about my buisness and think nothing more of it.
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yes, that is what you were saying. Now **** off.
You are the face of militant liberalism
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In other related news, a trash can fell over in China.
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In other related news, a trash can fell over in China.
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

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To be fair, the original wording of the story was rather poor, and it was possible to read in some racial element to the fight. Once they inserted the victims name that dissapated (as I said, it's possible he could be African I guess)
The whole story started out a bit sensationally if you ask me. When I first heard about it this morning it was reported that a gand of youths had videoed the stabbing on their phones in an apparent 'happy slap' incident.

I though that was a bit terrible if true.

When I later read the report it actually turned out that the stabbed boy had invited the murderer into the subway for the fight, like school kids do. The gand who took the video did so when the paramedics were working on the victim, apparently not set out to film a stabbing as was perhaps first implied (although this may change when things become clearer).

This is a much different story to the one I heard originally.

And to be honest, this seems like just another one of those things we hear about so often, its nothing special, expecially in Ilford. What made me laugh is that the parents of the victim said they moved to ilford from east london 6 months ago because the thought it was safer. Truth be known it is this type of family that has made ilford unsafe.

I live close to ilford and have seen it degrade into a ghetto for years.
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Re: 16 Years old - stabbed to death

Thats east london for you man.
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