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Re: Election 2005
That's why I voted for the Greens over them in the local and European elections.
All I originally said was they look interesting...
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5 Apr 2005, 21:43
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5 Apr 2005, 22:40
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J to the C to the A G E
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Re: Election 2005
The only candidate I know from my constituency (Elliot Morley, Labour) is a fat dick face, and he has won the seat by midday.
I might just vote for some shit party I feel sorry for, or the BNP because we have too many blacks!
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oh yeh - if you want to find out about your local MP - http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
There's some interesting things about each one including their special interests, expenses and how they voted in parliament.
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6 Apr 2005, 00:16
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6 Apr 2005, 00:29
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Re: Election 2005
John Redwood is your MP?
You poor, poor, poor ****.
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6 Apr 2005, 00:33
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I dunno...
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His wife has denounced him as a 'Vulcan', the poor chap.
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6 Apr 2005, 00:35
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I have the sports Minister
and one of the whips
as the mp's in the two constituencies I can vote. John Heppell used to be a family friend but my mum has taken a severe dislike to him now.
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6 Apr 2005, 00:37
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Twang Twang
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Yeah, I'm only just coming to terms with his general smug shiteness :(
At least I can vote this year though!
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6 Apr 2005, 00:38
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Re: Election 2005
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John Heppell used to be a family friend but my mum has taken a severe dislike to him now.
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Because he's a bearded, bespectacled, red-faced git, or for some other, more substantial reason?
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6 Apr 2005, 00:39
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Because he's a bearded, bespectacled, red-faced git, or for some other, more substantial reason?
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Probably his political views...
I met him before the 97 election and he was bright red then too.
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I like David Willetts because he has a strange head and he seems like a friendly chap.
He's also been around for donkey's years. I think he was Paymaster General or something in the Major government.
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I want Birmingham to be recognised as a city in the ranks of world class city.
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and no matter how you vote, you don't believe that anything will change do you?
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Many of the excesses of the labour government (especially the drastic policy u-turns such as top-up fees) would either not have happened or been swept under the carpet more if the government felt there was more of a chance of their pisspoor running of the country being reflected by changing voter attitudes.
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Well i dont like the tories and I cant see them doing much for a city like Birmingham, under Labour Birmingham has just grown as a city, I want this to continue, I want Birmingham to be recognised as a city in the ranks of world class city, we just need more investment and continued backing. Im sure under a Tory gvmnt they would focus there efforts on the home counties and would be oblivious to the fact that urban redevelpment is seriously needed in cities in the Midlands and the north east and west.
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Hahahhahahaha you think Labour would do anything for the north east hahahahahaha
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My MPs are Campbell and (previously) Steinberg. The former's a bit "meh", the latter's a bit of a charismatic tosser though.
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To the people voting conservative - Would you actually want Howard as PM?
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I like David Willetts because he has a strange head and he seems like a friendly chap.
He's also been around for donkey's years. I think he was Paymaster General or something in the Major government.
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Hague.
Heh.
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No, only real electable tory leader would be Hague, imo.
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6 Apr 2005, 13:34
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No, only real electable tory leader would be Hague, imo.
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Boring Boring Brian White
although 'Email me whenever Brian White speaks (no more than once a day)' amused me greatly.
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Peter Lilley
He seems alright - he's done quite a lot for my town. He also sent me a birthday card on my 18th birthday
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Peter Lilley
He seems alright - he's done quite a lot for my town. He also sent me a birthday card on my 18th birthday
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Peter Lilley
He seems alright - he's done quite a lot for my town. He also sent me a birthday card on my 18th birthday
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My exes dad used to stand for Labour in that constuency... They live in Wheathampstead...
Harpenden is such a posh place that they had no chance...
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peter lilley angers me.
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My exes dad used to stand for Labour in that constuency... They live in Wheathampstead...
Harpenden is such a posh place that they had no chance...
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Hardly. Although the Tories have been making gains over the last month in various polls, some others have showed them as being as far behind as they were in 2001; the best they've polled is about three points behind Labour. Baring some kind of last minute surge in which they gain at least another five points, or a seriously disastorous turnout for Labour they won't win; essentially, they'd have to rely on a fairly freak occurance to be elected. The best they could realistically hope for is a Hung Parliament.
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Comedy option?
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Hague was very effective in the House of Commons, much more so than Blair. He's actually quite funny. If he had not tried so desperately hard to be 'cool' or 'down to earth', I think he would have been a good leader.
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I Don't Identify Strongly With Any Of The Main Parties, But I Do So Most Strongly With The Lib Dems. Unfortunately, They're Really Weak In Both Harlow And Birmingham Edgbaston, The Two Constituencies I Can Vote In. So Although I'd Rather See A Labour Than A Conservative Government, I'll Probably Vote Conservative In Edgbaston, Which Is Quite Marginal, Because I'd Like To See The Labour Majority Reduced.
(This Post Was Written In All-caps Because This ****ing Keyboard Is Broken)
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Conservative: Come on you blues! Tax cuts, espcially in the areas of Inheritence Tax and Stamp Duty, are long overdue. Remove pointless speed camera, oh yes! Re-linking pensions to earnings is a good thing, even if it won't affect me for over 40 years, it will help my parents out who retire soon after a life of paying taxes and seeing little in return for it. Don't agree with their plans to block GM crop growing, standing in the way of progress due to the irrational fears of the uneducated masses, but oh well, you can't have it all.
Labour: They they screwed me while I was at university and now they kick me in the balls by giving my tax money to layabouts and mass breeders - if you want to have kids you should bloody be able to pay for them yourself, why the hell should I? ...and lets not forget that little illegal war they dragged us in to.
Lib Dems: Taxing me more is a big no thx and trying to get the illegals working in McDonalds to understand plain English is already annoying enough, I don't want to have the same problem everywhere if more of them are allow to work here!
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You do realise who got rid of the pension/earning link don't you?
And you do realise the tories supported the war as well?
And the only tax increase the lib dems are bringing in is for people earning over 100k a year.
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You do realise that this is the man who has made such notable statements as:
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The destruction of the Soviet Union <i>in the manner that it happened</i> was one of the worst thing that could have happened to the people of that region. Under almost every economic measure imaginable they are worse now (in real terms) than they were in the period before Gorbachev.
Does this mean the Soviet Union was any good? No. It was one of the worst examples of totalitarian excess, referring especially historically but even up to the end. But it's disappearance was not really good thing in any meaningful sense - at least not in the short term.
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I don't really see what's wrong with this per se, in the context of a Western invasion of Iraq. Most leaders of countries are ****s, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to give them some props when they are facing an onslought from the imperialist powers. Same with Milosevic.
I don't understand why Galloway met with Saddam (and I don't care that much tbh) but if you are then it seems rather pointless to sit there calling him a tosser. Yes, this "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" stuff can go way too far, but I think it's unhelpful to take comments like that out of context to make it out that Galloway was Saddam's bum chum or something.
As for Respect's "allies", again it depends what your aims are. If I form an anti-war group in my local community centre and some Muslims (who are traditional Muslims) turn up, what do I do? Tell 'em to '**** off darkies'? So I let them join and then we are doing really well so I decide to run for office on an anti-war platform. My muslim friends (who are passionately anti-abortionists, as are a couple of the catholic members of our group) offer to campaign on my behalf? What do I say exactly? No, because you don't fit my ethical profile on another level? Where does it stop? Should I refuse the help of anti-war Christians?
Respect have a lot of problems and I won't be voting for them (not registered) but I think you are being unfair.
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You do realise who got rid of the pension/earning link don't you?
And you do realise the tories supported the war as well?
And the only tax increase the lib dems are bringing in is for people earning over 100k a year.
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Did they, well I wouldn't know because it was before my time, judging a party on things they did over a decade ago would make them all look as bad as each other. Recent history and current policies are all that's relevent, I'm not going to outright dismiss any party becuase they made an unpopular policy years before I was even born.
The support for the eventual ends of the war, the freedom of the Iraqi people from a tyrant, but not for the means that got us there. We were fed lies about a threat to our country from Iraq when there was no such threat, we went to war on a lie, a lie which made winning the trust of the Iraqi people much harder and no doubt one of the reasons there are still so many insurgents trying to kill our troops, they simply don't trust us.
I don't currently pay Council Tax, but I would no doubt have to pay their local Income Tax.
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I am in Lancaster & Wyre.
In the last election Labour clinched the seat by 481 votes. However the MP is resigning and instead we have a woman running who I have NEVER heard of before. If Conservative did not win this seat I would be greatly surprised.
I am defiantly going to vote!
I am keeping up to speed with the Peter Snow election news alert. Peter show comes running onto my desktop to give me the latest.
My prediction for this election is that it will be close. It won’t be a landslide victory for any party. If I had to place my money somewhere I would bet that Blair will loose his majority and it becomes a hung parliament. Although don’t quote me on any of this.
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I Don't Identify Strongly With Any Of The Main Parties, But I Do So Most Strongly With The Lib Dems. Unfortunately, They're Really Weak In Both Harlow And Birmingham Edgbaston, The Two Constituencies I Can Vote In. So Although I'd Rather See A Labour Than A Conservative Government, I'll Probably Vote Conservative In Edgbaston, Which Is Quite Marginal, Because I'd Like To See The Labour Majority Reduced.
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Re: Election 2005
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No, only real electable tory leader would be Hague, imo.
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Hague is not electable and never will be. He is far worse than IDS and Michael Howard. Oliver Letwin - where the hell is that from?!?!
Michael Portillo is the only Conservative MP I would ever consider voting for, unfortunately being a poor man i can't live in his area, or care for his politics.
I will Vote Labour or Lib Dem. Labour will clearly win the election. I would love to see two things happen in this election though - 1) Lib Dem win Michael Howards seat (he only got a 5000 majority in the last election) 2) Tony Blair lose Sedgefield to that Reg Keys(the father who lost his son in Iraq). Both of these are doubtful, but they would make a boring election have a couple of highlights.
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Who said anything about the Tories winning?
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Well, there's only three possible outcomes from this: The Tories 'win', Labour 'wins', or there is a hung Parliament. The Tories winning, as I have already demonstrated, is astronomically unlikely. Although a Hung Parliament is much more likely, the best bet, based on what we know, still remains a Labour victory with a much reduced majority.
Lordy, even if there was a hung Parliament, then in all probabiliity it would still be a Labour-headed government.
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No, only real electable tory leader would be Hague, imo.
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People forget just how terrible Hague was. He was awful at handling the party, awful at strategy, awful at campaigning, and awful at presentation. The only thing he had a fair grip on was Commons oratory, which still counts for relatively little.
It's perverse and incredible that people can claim that Hague is electable, when he lead his party to one of it's worst electoral performances ever. After four years of opposition, the best Hague could do was increase his share of his party's seats in the Commons by a net gain of one. Let us remember that.
It's because of one of Hague's 'reforms' that the party was lumbered with that walking donkey Iain Duncan Smith, instead of someone eminently sensible for it, like Ken Clarke. (One of the really electable Tories, and a man who would probably be leading it to a sound victory atm if he had become leader after 2001.)
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So if Tony Blair & Labour would have declined to get bum raped by Bush jr and invade Iraq, he would have been safe now?
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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson
Well, there's only three possible outcomes from this: The Tories 'win', Labour 'wins', or there is a hung Parliament. The Tories winning, as I have already demonstrated, is astronomically unlikely. Although a Hung Parliament is much more likely, the best bet, based on what we know, still remains a Labour victory with a much reduced majority.
Lordy, even if there was a hung Parliament, then in all probabiliity it would still be a Labour-headed government.
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extremely unlikely but still possible.
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Re: Election 2005
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You do realise who got rid of the pension/earning link don't you?
And you do realise the tories supported the war as well?
And the only tax increase the lib dems are bringing in is for people earning over 100k a year.
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So if Tony Blair & Labour would have declined to get bum raped by Bush jr and invade Iraq, he would have been safe now?
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Ste - Lib Dems will not get in power. There is absolutely no chance at all. They perhaps have a chance at being the opposition party.
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it is possible the lib dems will get in...
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MM: 4/1 a hung parliament.
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Originally Posted by zakoff
quite probably. Its not like the Conservatives have done anything to make themselves electable, except bang on about Daily Mail issues (immigration, Asylum Seekers) issues that only fool people who already vote Tory.
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You know its election time when issues like immigration and asylum seekers starts to be talked about by politicians. Its election next autumn in Norway, and we have no the usual crowd writing in the newspapers how every non-european man is a rapist.
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8 Apr 2005, 18:34
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Re: Election 2005
How can MORI justify completely ignoring people who aren't 100% sure they will actually vote? :|
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8 Apr 2005, 18:55
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Re: Election 2005
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Originally Posted by zakoff
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It's relaible to the odds of bookmakers, which is what I was attempting to show.
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