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Unread 9 May 2006, 14:44   #1
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Fair Play...

Rank Change Name Asteroids Members AVG Score Score
1 NewDawn 24151 60 878,567 52,714,043
2 Omen 32324 59 884,021 52,157,255
3 Insomnia 26579 59 869,634 51,308,435
4 Angels 28378 59 859,409 50,705,140


After the exploitation of xp last round, it seems a more well balanced round of pa has been introduced in terms of alliances battling it out for the title.

Looking at the alliance rankings, I can't remember the last time a round was fought out so strongly, both in numbers; and consistency. It must be a testiment to a well fought war or an awesome amount of roid swapping. To the alliances; what's going on in there?

I haven't been anywhere near the 'political frey' of this round, but a credit to all those involved; it looks like an exciting shape up for those members of the alliances that have never been so close to a title at around pt600. Of course, there is a month left, and with alliances below ND having a member to possibly add, the balance in the next few days will lie with the average score virtually as close as can be, and a few battles that must rage overnight.

It seems that there may be a 'block' type situation (although i have no evidence for this) where numerous alliance are able to roid the advantage.

Whatever the political situation, I can see an excitment for pa begginning to course through the old veins again

I'l be watching with a close eye. Nice one.


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Re: Fair Play...

I agree, it really looks like this is going to be an exciting round.

An update of the logbook by lokken would be nice .
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Re: Fair Play...

I concur, also a bit of a challenge in risk would be nice Xel.

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Re: Fair Play...

You'd be stupid to ignore 1up in this.......
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Re: Fair Play...

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Ignoring isn't really fair. I've stated that I don't know what's going on. I'm random, I haven't joined any alliance this round
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Re: Fair Play...

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 1up     | 30827 |      52 |   1669233 | 86800149
 NewDawn | 29256 |      53 |   1530295 | 81105676
 Subh    | 25335 |      54 |   1486688 | 80281154
 Angels  | 28198 |      50 |   1542325 | 77116289
For reference, tick 600 last round.

I don't think it's right to say that this round is more closely fought than 'any' previously. As I recall r15 was about this close around tick 600.

A round being close at this point isn't necessarily positive, because it's not necessarily the same as a round being open. In a situation such as there is now, all 4 top alliances can be paralyzed by fear because they have little to gain by singling out one of the others to hit and more to lose by getting ahead.

Also what the hell has fair play got to do with anything?
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Re: Fair Play...

Its an english phrase for 'well done, or wasn't expecting that to happen, but "fair play", you did a good job' etc.

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Re: Fair Play...

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Its an english phrase for 'well done, or wasn't expecting that to happen, but "fair play", you did a good job' etc.
I misunderstood then, I thought you were referring to conformity to established rules.
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Re: Fair Play...

You've clearly got too much time on your hands. If it means so much, i apologise for not conforming to established rules, and looking this phrase up before i thought of it.

It wouldve clarified the somewhat disregarded aim of the thread.
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Re: Fair Play...

OK, for you, a little more depth to the ranks.

Omen and Angels are napped and co-operating on attacks. They have a few allies helping them also.
Insomnia are hitting anyone and everyone for some roids.
NewDawn are winning despite not napping anyone around them. They have co-operated a bit with Insomnia to stop Omen pulling away, but both allies keep hitting each other also.

And everyone keeps looking over their shoulder waiting for 1up to appear in front of them.....
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Re: Fair Play...

Magical Trevor says people shouldn't be looking over their shoulder if they expect the enemy 'to appear in front of them.' Unless you are walking backwards.
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looking behind their shoulder to see when they are being overtaken der :/
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Re: Fair Play...

I was wondering have Angels and perhaps Subh too been at war with VGN? Looking at sandmans comparison it does seem like it, but this could be coincidental too.

Sorry, this seemed like a good enough place to ask

http://www.sandmans.co.uk/?p=compare...lues&show=size
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Re: Fair Play...

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I was wondering have Angels and perhaps Subh too been at war with VGN? Looking at sandmans comparison it does seem like it, but this could be coincidental too.

Sorry, this seemed like a good enough place to ask
For the Record... Subh hit 2 gals last night and not specific TP at an ally.

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Re: Fair Play...

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For the Record... Subh hit 2 gals last night and not specific TP at an ally.

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Was a genuine question and not an attempt to stir shit hehe.. so I appreciate your response and non flaming
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Was a genuine question and not an attempt to stir shit hehe.. so I appreciate your response and non flaming
At least KJ didnt reply to your post

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For the Record... Subh hit 2 gals last night and not specific TP at an ally.

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For the Record... Subh hit 2 gals last night and not specific TP at an ally.

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You took 3% of my galaxy's roids.

With 23 fleets, 9-10 of which hit the pair of ND. I'm not going to accept any reasonable explanation; I would prefer to accuse you of blocking with our opponents!

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You took 3% of my galaxy's roids.

With 23 fleets, 9-10 of which hit the pair of ND. I'm not going to accept any reasonable explanation; I would prefer to accuse you of blocking with our opponents!

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I was wondering have Angels and perhaps Subh too been at war with VGN? Looking at sandmans comparison it does seem like it, but this could be coincidental too.

Sorry, this seemed like a good enough place to ask

http://www.sandmans.co.uk/?p=compare...lues&show=size
I chatted to VGN's HC the other day. Not as far as I know, but I'm hardly authoritive on this - nor would I expect to be told everything

However, I doubt there's an official war.
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OK, for you, a little more depth to the ranks.

Omen and Angels are napped and co-operating on attacks. They have a few allies helping them also.
Insomnia are hitting anyone and everyone for some roids.
NewDawn are winning despite not napping anyone around them. They have co-operated a bit with Insomnia to stop Omen pulling away, but both allies keep hitting each other also.

And everyone keeps looking over their shoulder waiting for 1up to appear in front of them.....
Angels and Omen have not once shared attacks, have not had the slightest cooperation in attacks whatsoever this round.

ND is napped with TGV, we've got TGV HC logs comfirming this. Lying twice in 1 post ... you're improving ...

Edit: We have not a single other cooperation but a basic nap with Omen. Whatever lies you come up with about us having allies is rediculous.

How is it, that you can so blatantly lie when your fellow ND'ers, e.g. Gate, very well know Angels and Omen don't cooperate in attacks? It's just another poor attempt of PR and I don't think a single reader is buying your lies.

Also, you really gonna pretend there's no nap with TGV when they admit themselves there is one (and every other alliance HC I have spoken to like Omen, 1up, ... also concluded there was a nap)?
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I was wondering have Angels and perhaps Subh too been at war with VGN? Looking at sandmans comparison it does seem like it, but this could be coincidental too.

Sorry, this seemed like a good enough place to ask

http://www.sandmans.co.uk/?p=compare...lues&show=size

Hey Tooth, there is no war or anything. We hit hostile galaxies and hit and/or fleetcatch hostile planets, regardless if they are VGN, ND or 1up
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Re: Fair Play...

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OK, for you, a little more depth to the ranks.

Omen and Angels are napped and co-operating on attacks. They have a few allies helping them also.
Insomnia are hitting anyone and everyone for some roids.
NewDawn are winning despite not napping anyone around them. They have co-operated a bit with Insomnia to stop Omen pulling away, but both allies keep hitting each other also.

And everyone keeps looking over their shoulder waiting for 1up to appear in front of them.....
so whats the solution? seems pretty obvious from here
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so whats the solution? seems pretty obvious from here
Well yeah but where do we get 35 tons of strawberry jam?
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Well yeah but where do we get 35 tons of strawberry jam?
that's the least of my worries where do we get 5000 poop flavoured lollipops
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Re: Fair Play...

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Hey Tooth, there is no war or anything. We hit hostile galaxies and hit and/or fleetcatch hostile planets, regardless if they are VGN, ND or 1up
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Re: Fair Play...

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Hey Tooth, there is no war or anything. We hit hostile galaxies and hit and/or fleetcatch hostile planets, regardless if they are VGN, ND or 1up
And hit galaxies with your own officers in it am i rite?
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Re: Fair Play...

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ND is napped with TGV, we've got TGV HC logs comfirming this.
He did say not napping anyone around them, TGV is rank 13 atm so wouldn't call that near the #1 position ND has atm
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Re: Fair Play...

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Angels and Omen have not once shared attacks, have not had the slightest cooperation in attacks whatsoever this round.

ND is napped with TGV, we've got TGV HC logs comfirming this. Lying twice in 1 post ... you're improving ...

Edit: We have not a single other cooperation but a basic nap with Omen. Whatever lies you come up with about us having allies is rediculous.

How is it, that you can so blatantly lie when your fellow ND'ers, e.g. Gate, very well know Angels and Omen don't cooperate in attacks? It's just another poor attempt of PR and I don't think a single reader is buying your lies.

Also, you really gonna pretend there's no nap with TGV when they admit themselves there is one (and every other alliance HC I have spoken to like Omen, 1up, ... also concluded there was a nap)?

First of all, im not HC in TGV this round. But I'd like to say that I interpreted the fish's post that they hadnt napped anyone around them as: they havent napped anyone in top 5. Maybe the way thefish formulated himself got him in worse trouble than his intentions were ?
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I don't see why anyone would care if ND napped TGV. A top alliance napping a bottom alliance hardly affects anyone anyway.
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Re: Fair Play...

Really funny

On one side ND claims to be more powerful than every not by last by having DLR. ND can win against any ally one on one.
ND has no agreements.

On the other side I never seen ND hitting some1 alone. When we are targeted by ND we have around 60 additional defcalls from various alliances or unallied planets in ND gals.
After it was Obvious ND commited to have coordinated attacks with inso. Now they cant deny TGV either.
Seems u change ur statements pretty often. Also when being asked about it u have just one justification. Cause Angels napped Omen

Don’t take me wrong this not whining, it’s a game of politics just if u do something and ppl find it out than commit it

What I can say for angels
We are napped to omen, the reason is the BP sharing. Its not that we have 20 less defcalls a night but max 5 and took us a lot of admin work to get those sorted.

We didn’t coordinate any attacks on other alliances
We didn’t hit any alliance. All we did was hit ally heavy gals
We are hitting the ones that hit us, which is mainly ND and friends and few times VGN but that is already tradition 

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And hit galaxies with your own officers in it am i rite?
Yes, we hit our own galaxies if needed. We've done this in the previous 5 rounds aswell so that shouldn't be a big surprise.
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Re: Fair Play...

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Angels and Omen have not once shared attacks, have not had the slightest cooperation in attacks whatsoever this round.

ND is napped with TGV, we've got TGV HC logs comfirming this. Lying twice in 1 post ... you're improving ...

Edit: We have not a single other cooperation but a basic nap with Omen. Whatever lies you come up with about us having allies is rediculous.

How is it, that you can so blatantly lie when your fellow ND'ers, e.g. Gate, very well know Angels and Omen don't cooperate in attacks? It's just another poor attempt of PR and I don't think a single reader is buying your lies.

Also, you really gonna pretend there's no nap with TGV when they admit themselves there is one (and every other alliance HC I have spoken to like Omen, 1up, ... also concluded there was a nap)?
Kjunt, you really are a twat at times.

K, yeah, we're napped to the alliance 1 place above Hidden Agenda, hardly on the scale of Omen/Angels is it?

And as for lack of co-operation, seems funny how you both manage to hit ND targets without overlapping each other isn't it?

Kj you are a liar, not me.
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Re: Fair Play...

Like Sjor said, pple need to understand and realize that us napping Omen is translated in about 13 less potential defence calls.

That's all, that is really all. We have/had about 13 (not an exact number due to exiles, new recruits) members that are not in an Omen galaxy.

Now, there's nothing wrong with napping and playing some politics, but using this excuse for every cooperation that you do is pretty lame because you very well know the impact of this nap isn't that relevant.

Maybe Fish meant to say alliances around them, nonetheless I don't see the point in not mentioning the nap with TGV as every player and his dog know about it anyway. Even if they're top bottom, it still means less potential incomings, like which is the case for Angels.
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Re: Fair Play...

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And as for lack of co-operation, seems funny how you both manage to hit ND targets without overlapping each other isn't it?
zomg

doesnt this happen every round? Some headless chicken screaming omg no overlapping = omg blox. Yet its pretty much dismissed as all either party has to do is deny it and there's nothing you can do about it. Sad but true
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Kjunt, you really are a twat at times.

K, yeah, we're napped to the alliance 1 place above Hidden Agenda, hardly on the scale of Omen/Angels is it?

And as for lack of co-operation, seems funny how you both manage to hit ND targets without overlapping each other isn't it?

Kj you are a liar, not me.
Your nap with TGV prevents more potential attacks then ours with Omen (due to bp's).

I'm the liar? No, every single Angels HC or BC will tell you that we don't swap targets with Omen. Maybe they have a spy in our ranks, I don't know.

It seems telling the truth on AD means nothing these days. Because if you do, you get pple like fishboy who claim it's a lie anyway, regardless of what you post.
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Re: Fair Play...

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Like Sjor said, pple need to understand and realize that us napping Omen is translated in about 13 less potential defence calls.

That's all, that is really all. We have/had about 13 (not an exact number due to exiles, new recruits) members that are not in an Omen galaxy.

Now, there's nothing wrong with napping and playing some politics, but using this excuse for every cooperation that you do is pretty lame because you very well know the impact of this nap isn't that relevant.

Maybe Fish meant to say alliances around them, nonetheless I don't see the point in not mentioning the nap with TGV as every player and his dog know about it anyway. Even if they're top bottom, it still means less potential incomings, like which is the case for Angels.
Well, first of all, its not just 13 defence calls less. If it comes down to an Angels V Omen war for the win, then what do you do? Still not hit each other? Although considering 10.5 thats not beyond the realms of possibilities.....

I'm not blaming you napping Omen to try to give you an advantage, I don't like the way you lie about it. WE ONLY NAPPED TO GET 13 LESS DEFENCE CALLS A NIGHT LOLZ. No-ones buying it.

The nap with TGV is hardly a secret, we are on good terms with them and have been for a while, it's nothing major but we like them and they like us (probably not me but nm) and as you say its not exactly secret so whats the point mentioning what you know?
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Re: Fair Play...

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zomg

doesnt this happen every round? Some headless chicken screaming omg no overlapping = omg blox. Yet its pretty much dismissed as all either party has to do is deny it and there's nothing you can do about it. Sad but true
No proof obviously, but people know if something is true whether or not they have proof, the people that matter that is.
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Re: Fair Play...

from what i could see last round as we were allied
TGV has more control over their members than others in our block and was very nice to be allied to them.
and they are a respectable force like every ally with more than 30 ppl
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Re: Fair Play...

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Your nap with TGV prevents more potential attacks then ours with Omen (due to bp's).

I'm the liar? No, every single Angels HC or BC will tell you that we don't swap targets with Omen. Maybe they have a spy in our ranks, I don't know.

It seems telling the truth on AD means nothing these days. Because if you do, you get pple like fishboy who claim it's a lie anyway, regardless of what you post.
Are you retarded? More potential attacks? Omen have 59 members, TGV have 52. By my maths thats roughly 21 more fleets Omen can throw. And it's not just number of fleets, its size of them too, which again Omen has more of.

JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A GAL WITH ANGELS DOESNT MEAN THEY CANT ATTACK ANGELS LOLZ!
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Well, first of all, its not just 13 defence calls less. If it comes down to an Angels V Omen war for the win, then what do you do? Still not hit each other? Although considering 10.5 thats not beyond the realms of possibilities.....

I'm not blaming you napping Omen to try to give you an advantage, I don't like the way you lie about it. WE ONLY NAPPED TO GET 13 LESS DEFENCE CALLS A NIGHT LOLZ. No-ones buying it.

The nap with TGV is hardly a secret, we are on good terms with them and have been for a while, it's nothing major but we like them and they like us (probably not me but nm) and as you say its not exactly secret so whats the point mentioning what you know?
we dont hit angel gals unless some1 behaves really hostile
so 85 % of omen is safe anyway. dont see more than 5 defcalls a night on us unless Omen targets its own gals
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Well, first of all, its not just 13 defence calls less. If it comes down to an Angels V Omen war for the win, then what do you do? Still not hit each other? Although considering 10.5 thats not beyond the realms of possibilities.....

I'm not blaming you napping Omen to try to give you an advantage, I don't like the way you lie about it. WE ONLY NAPPED TO GET 13 LESS DEFENCE CALLS A NIGHT LOLZ. No-ones buying it.

The nap with TGV is hardly a secret, we are on good terms with them and have been for a while, it's nothing major but we like them and they like us (probably not me but nm) and as you say its not exactly secret so whats the point mentioning what you know?
Wow wow wow, could you be any more wrong?

If we have to fight omen 1 on 1 for the win, we will. In r10.5 WE WERE THE #1 ALLIANCE ... IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO KILL #2 IF #2 IS PERFECTLY HAPPY TO SIT THERE AND DO NOTHING ....

This crap from 10.5 you're ripping completely out of context. If your allies are happy to settle for #2 then it's not your job to attack them to risk your victory.

Secondly, I challenge you to show me where I've ever lied about napping Omen. We napped them for the reason that we share alot of buddypacks and yes ... because it benefits us.

Mind you I did not say we napped them for those 13 potential less incs. We napped them because we don't want incomings from them, correct. But since we share so many buddypacks, there are only 13 Angels that are not in an Omen galaxy.

Asfar as I know, Omen does not hit their own galaxies (could be wrong here) so that means the Angels AND ND in there are pretty safe for now.
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Originally Posted by The_Fish
Are you retarded? More potential attacks? Omen have 59 members, TGV have 52. By my maths thats roughly 21 more fleets Omen can throw. And it's not just number of fleets, its size of them too, which again Omen has more of.

JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A GAL WITH ANGELS DOESNT MEAN THEY CANT ATTACK ANGELS LOLZ!
When I state "13 less calls", I meant 13 Angel planets that will not receive Omen incs. Yes if we didn't nap and entire Omen decided to wave those 13 planets (planets not in Omen galaxies), then that'd mean 179 less fleets per night ... cuz that'll ever happen.

Anyway, what's the point in this. It's not like blocks have been formed and that 1 alliance is running away due to it. There's nothing wrong with politics, but don't post lies on AD about Angels just because you don't know/like what's going on.

And let's be honnest, for a change, IF Omen and Angels would actively cooperate in hitting ND, for instance, then wouldn't you think you'd have a far rougher time then now. Same goes for every alliance. When you and Insomnia hit Omen for 3 nights, they also stopped growing completely and dropped 2 ranks.
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