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"I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

A lot of people have (not unjustifiedly) been saying that there's no "precise" definition for what cheating is apart from perhaps the EULA. And we're not unrealistic enough to think people read that until after they're closed. :P
Well, here it is


Firstly:

Multing/Account Sharing.
The idea behind this is to look for people who either have more than one account or who are sharing accounts.

This is generally (at the time of writing!) related to accounts on the same IP address some / all of the time.

Due to the "no one else is allowed to know your password" rule, it's often common to look for accounts with similar or the same passwords, implying the rule is broken.

Also, accounts on the same IP that "interact" too much can be closed.

We also look for people who give accounts to each other.

IRC evidence for these is accepted to _some extent_, but evidence ingame needs to be there too.

What the heck are interactions?!?!?
These, admittedly, are referenced to a lot.
So:
(fake) attacking each other,
(fake) attacking with each other (same target / galaxy to spread defence and/or increase changes of landing),
defending each other,
defending the same planet,
and sometimes even defending the same galaxy (though this less so)
are all "interactions".
[Edit for clarity: This includes fleets not landing the same tick]

Scanning and Covert Operations will also be limited by exceptions.

So, is that all that I can be closed for?
Actually, no.

Farming ships / asteroids / XP (arranging to steal ships/roids from each other/ hit each other to get artificially large XP), as long as it's happened, can be used to close.
Also, under the new rule, accounts that seem to exist as "support accounts", to help attack with and defend certain planets / alliances (while not in that alliance themselves), are now illegal.

Showing that someone has stolen ships once or twice generally isn't enough. Especially if the ships look like they're defending, it's extremely hard to differentiate between a good but not prearranged attack, and a prearranged attack. We look as much at attacking patterns, and follow planets by their user ID not by their co-ords (anyone who had bright ideas about exiling planets after farming them is wasting their time ).

Being abusive to other players and spamming / advertising is also closable, as are offensive / pornographic galaxy pictures and names.Using automated scripts /programs / browser plugins that give you an unfair advantage also isn't allowed.

Edit: I had "realistic" where I meant "unrealistic". Though I think most people got what I meant
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

Thank you appoc. Like to add any questions drop by #Multihunters or email me on [email protected]. I think Appoc has covered most of it.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

dont forget things like using proxies are also considered direct evidence towards cheating ( unless you have a damn good reason as was the case when there were routing issues to the jolt network, and the multihunters were informed you were temporarily using a proxy so you could access the game )
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

I just changed the link, as a lot of people were getting quite excited at me telling them how to cheat
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

[19:27] <BattleBunneh> damn appoco
[19:27] <BattleBunneh> the motd got my hopes up
[19:27] <Appocomaster> ?
[19:27] <BattleBunneh> Exceptions CURRENTLY DISABLED
[19:27] <BattleBunneh> Information on cheating
[19:27] <BattleBunneh> i thought you where gonna tell me how to cheat
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[19:27] <Appocomaster> better?


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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

Instead of having this kind of posting every other thread I'd rather see some closure of planets. People do know what is cheating, it is just that once they get caught they say: "Oh, I didn't know...".

Imho the rule of "not knowing something does not prevent you from punishment" should apply.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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Originally Posted by Appocomaster
A lot of people have (not unjustifiedly) been saying that there's no "precise" definition for what cheating is apart from perhaps the EULA. And we're not realistic enough to think people read that until after they're closed. :P
Well, here it is


Firstly:

Multing/Account Sharing.
The idea behind this is to look for people who either have more than one account or who are sharing accounts.

This is generally (at the time of writing!) related to accounts on the same IP address some / all of the time.

Due to the "no one else is allowed to know your password" rule, it's often common to look for accounts with similar or the same passwords, implying the rule is broken.

Also, accounts on the same IP that "interact" too much can be closed.

We also look for people who give accounts to each other.

IRC evidence for these is accepted to _some extent_, but evidence ingame needs to be there too.

What the heck are interactions?!?!?
These, admittedly, are referenced to a lot.
So:
(fake) attacking each other,
(fake) attacking with each other (same target / galaxy to spread defence and/or increase changes of landing),
defending each other,
defending the same planet,
and sometimes even defending the same galaxy (though this less so)
are all "interactions".
[Edit for clarity: This includes fleets not landing the same tick]

Scanning and Covert Operations will also be limited by exceptions.

So, is that all that I can be closed for?
Actually, no.

Farming ships / asteroids / XP (arranging to steal ships/roids from each other/ hit each other to get artificially large XP), as long as it's happened, can be used to close.

Showing that someone has stolen ships once or twice generally isn't enough. Especially if the ships look like they're defending, it's extremely hard to differentiate between a good but not prearranged attack, and a prearranged attack. We look as much at attacking patterns, and follow planets by their user ID not by their co-ords (anyone who had bright ideas about exiling planets after farming them is wasting their time ).

Being abusive to other players and spamming / advertising is also closable, as are offensive / pornographic galaxy pictures and names.Using automated scripts /programs / browser plugins that give you an unfair advantage also isn't allowed.
Some of these things are things that can be avoided if the creators changed the game to avoid these hassles. When people are doing things with one account that you think are cheating (such as setting up to steal ships from a planet) that's not really something to close a planet for as people are then being punished for creativity in utilizing the game environment to their advantage. If it's something you don't like change the game.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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Instead of having this kind of posting every other thread I'd rather see some closure of planets.
We've closed quite a few planets recently - 30 in the last week, maybe more.

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People do know what is cheating, it is just that once they get caught they say: "Oh, I didn't know...".
Imho the rule of "not knowing something does not prevent you from punishment" should apply.
Some people don't check and are new. For most people this just means they can't say "I wasn't sure of the rules" any more, as there's now a nice big link to this thread from the MOTD. :-)
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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Some of these things are things that can be avoided if the creators changed the game to avoid these hassles. When people are doing things with one account that you think are cheating (such as setting up to steal ships from a planet) that's not really something to close a planet for as people are then being punished for creativity in utilizing the game environment to their advantage. If it's something you don't like change the game.
I'm not saying stealing ships is banned, or being "creative" (whatever you define that to be ) is bad. I'm saying that for example getting people to send you specific ships so you can "accidently" steal them repeatedly to get a decent fleet and therefore gain a pretty unfair advantage over everyon else is cheating.
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I'm not saying stealing ships is banned, or being "creative" (whatever you define that to be ) is bad. I'm saying that for example getting people to send you specific ships so you can "accidently" steal them repeatedly to get a decent fleet and therefore gain a pretty unfair advantage over everyon else is cheating.
I don't think that's cheating. I think hacking, using hacks, using multiple accounts, explointing bugs is cheating. But a collaboration like what you're speaking of can be avoided if you for instance awarded point loss for losing ships or changed the scoring to make 'collaborating' unattractive. If people are creating multis to do this, that's another thing altogether and having the multi account would be cheating. Changing the game is better than removing active players who are just being clever.
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Imho the rule of "not knowing something does not prevent you from punishment" should apply.
idd, ignorance of the law is no excuse
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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We've closed quite a few planets recently - 30 in the last week, maybe more.
where in those 30 any bigger (t100) planets?

if not, then it doenst matter if you closed 30 small planets who noone cares about, the big planets that do cheat those are the ones you need to catch
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

derry i can assure you we are closing the top planets, i should know as i have to deal with the complaints. Now the MH team this round have closed more people at this stage then i have saw in 3 rounds. I am not going to discuss the details of that though mind you. You will just have to take my word for it that we are doing our jobs, even though most dont beleive so.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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I don't think that's cheating. I think hacking, using hacks, using multiple accounts, explointing bugs is cheating. But a collaboration like what you're speaking of can be avoided if you for instance awarded point loss for losing ships or changed the scoring to make 'collaborating' unattractive. If people are creating multis to do this, that's another thing altogether and having the multi account would be cheating. Changing the game is better than removing active players who are just being clever.
"spirit of the game"

i'm hoping that the game doesn't reward a planet for being attacked...
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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derry i can assure you we are closing the top planets, i should know as i have to deal with the complaints. Now the MH team this round have closed more people at this stage then i have saw in 3 rounds. I am not going to discuss the details of that though mind you. You will just have to take my word for it that we are doing our jobs, even though most dont beleive so.
its not a race to do as many closures as possible
keep in mind you still need valid reasons for a closure....
i think some of your interaction rules are poor
real life friends cant be in the same alliance/bg anymore

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you can only close planets according to those " interaction" rules from the day you made those rules public. which i suggest is the day this thread was made
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Being abusive to other players and spamming / advertising is also closable, as are offensive / pornographic galaxy pictures and names.Using automated scripts /programs / browser plugins that give you an unfair advantage also isn't allowed.
so why are people closed and re-opened for this then? as you say offence means closed?

as i was told this thread didn't mean he could have an excuse for anything that happened before this...
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

You are having trouble explaining your own rules and are making more confusion by the minute.
Why this vendetta? You are using a lot of human resources on this and my quesion is why?
It looks like Jolt is sorry they are stuck with this game and want to get as few players as possible . When the player base is low enough it they pull the plug... whitout to much hazzle. It doesnt make much money, the true creators are gone... so what is really left. And PAN? Well PA sure needs an upgrade... bad! But the passion seems to be gone...

U are destroying the game... but then again thats the agenda.


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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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I don't think that's cheating. I think hacking, using hacks, using multiple accounts, explointing bugs is cheating. But a collaboration like what you're speaking of can be avoided if you for instance awarded point loss for losing ships or changed the scoring to make 'collaborating' unattractive. If people are creating multis to do this, that's another thing altogether and having the multi account would be cheating. Changing the game is better than removing active players who are just being clever.
hmm.. i don't see how you can remove the advantages of collaborating without removing the advantage of attacking someone to steal roids/ships... which erm.. is the whole point of the game
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You are having trouble explaining your own rules and are making more confusion by the minute.
Why this vendetta? You are using a lot of human resources on this and my quesion is why?
It looks like Jolt is sorry they are stuck with this game and want to get as few players as possible . When the player base is low enough it they pull the plug... whitout to much hazzle. It doesnt make much money, the true creators are gone... so what is really left. And PAN? Well PA sure needs an upgrade... bad! But the passion seems to be gone...

U are destroying the game... but then again thats the agenda.


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Where did this come from
Are you trying to imply that Jolt are telling multihunters to kick out as many people as possible?
On top of that, you're questioning the loyalty of the PA Team to the game and how much we want to improve the game and keep it going? I'm sorry but I really don't see how you can justify these claims, especially the latter one.
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U are destroying the game... but then again thats the agenda.
Surely you arent saying that getting rid of cheaters is destroying the game
if so, what planet do you come from? Seriously.

complaining that pateam are destroying the game by getting rid of cheaters is MADNESS , unless of course its destroying the game for Cheaters, in which case i agree.
There is no place in planetarion for those who cannot play honestly and by the rules.
If they cant manage to do that, then they should go or be forcibly removed

incidently, i wonder if you are in league with those who have a questionable sense of morality and think its a "good thing" to allow cheating?

Edit: After a little research the answer seems elementary. he IS one of those who believe cheating is a good thing.
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As it is now, everyone is looking for violators of the rules. Wondering, hmmm, can he be a farm...hmmm, can that be a multi.. idiots! Play the f***ing game, anyway you want.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

funny how appoco doesn't reply to my point
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Appoco in not replying to every post in the thread shocker :eek:

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its not a race to do as many closures as possible
keep in mind you still need valid reasons for a closure....
i think some of your interaction rules are poor
real life friends cant be in the same alliance/bg anymore

and

you can only close planets according to those " interaction" rules from the day you made those rules public. which i suggest is the day this thread was made
you cant be a criminal if there is no law
We close people according to the rules. If we suspect they're cheating and have enough evidence to show it, we close them. The number was merely trying to indicate that we're actively trying to find cheaters and stop them from ruining other peoples game.

These rules are generally, if anything, slight extrapolations of the EULA (you could argue that as the EULA only says "interaction", that would include things like mailing each other, scanning each other and covert opping each other, so in fact we're not being so strict as we could be!). The abuse, fleetname and galaxy picture information is probably more detailed in the EULA than on here. Just because you're ignorant, doesn't mean you're therefore innocent.

And cypher, I won't reply to you still
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

I think what Pietje is trying to say, is that there have been in some cases this round circumstances which may, or may not (Clearly an issue of judgement) have arised directly because of a lack of explanation as to what Interaction might mean.

Personally I know exactly what it means, to the letter, but that's only because I read PD. And seeing as the vaste majority of the community don't, or even in some circumstances are banned from doing so, by the Alliance-ran game we've created, it seems a little ridiculous to expect some individuals to be aware of all meanings of the word "Interaction", which we define in private.

So, if we believe that two players are actually the same person, then clearly they should be closed on the grounds of multing.

But you can't close what we believe to be two players for interactions that we would not reasonably expect the "Average Player" to be aware of, and yet we do. If the issue is that, bugger, we've messed up and not explained the key term Interactions at all sufficiently in the Manual or the EULA, then we really shouldn't be closing players for it. Certainly if one idiot defends another using the same IP repeatedly, or attacks them, you'd expect the average person to recognise this malicious behaviour, but you wouldn't necessarily expect them to pre-empt all the rules we established last round, if they didn't play last round, and the temporary absence of the Exception system was actually a lengthened one.


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imo there's no point haveing a MH team in PA, as long as they re-open the bigger planets after 5 minutes of whine
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i totally agree with Pietje & bwtmc. MH closed some ppl before posting this thread, and then they showed this link and saying "well sorry about it but gl next round". ppl should smell or have a sixth sense about this?

you close/delete innocent ppl for your fkups in manual

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imo there's no point haveing a MH team in PA, as long as they re-open the bigger planets after 5 minutes of whine
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imo there's no point haveing a MH team in PA, as long as they re-open the bigger planets after 5 minutes of whine
Because we so do that .
When I first became a MH, I closed some people I'd played in alliances with for 2-3 rounds beacuse of the evidence and fact it clearly broke the rules and they should know better. If anything, I'm personally harder on the bigger planets that cheat as I don't think they have an excuse, especially now. I know a few people from top alliances are currently bothering the multihunters to poor effect, as well. I don't know where your comments came from?
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lol

We close and open people on the strengh of evidence if we close someone and they come and complain then we will always take another look at their case and reevaluate it. Discussing it between several members of the team. If its decided that evidence is insufficiant to keep closed then we have no choice but to reopen. Like wise if evidence is to compelling that they should remain closed then thats the way it will be

Complaining and whineing has no bearing on the evidence which is all we consider when evaluating cases.

Its quite funny people complain that we open other players when they whine and then people complain that we dont open people they 'know' are innocent and give us a little whine about it.

We dont care how much people whine ether way you can do it all you want but we will continue to ignore you all and open and close people on the strengh of the evidence at hand.
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Can you not make it a sticky this thread or something coz it wll soon get lost in amongst the random stuff.
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Some people don't check and are new. For most people this just means they can't say "I wasn't sure of the rules" any more, as there's now a nice big link to this thread from the MOTD. :-)
So you arent gonna do like last round, when a long term top player in a top galaxy was openly cheating, the MH told me that tere was loads of evidence and closed him within 30 seconds of checking, then the guy came online and said 'I didn't know', so he was immedietly reopened.
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lol

We close and open people on the strengh of evidence if we close someone and they come and complain then we will always take another look at their case and reevaluate it. Discussing it between several members of the team. If its decided that evidence is insufficiant to keep closed then we have no choice but to reopen. Like wise if evidence is to compelling that they should remain closed then thats the way it will be
So evidence is good enough to close someone but not good enough to keep them closed?
Does this not mean then, infact, you are closing people prematurely, without enough evidence?

Either you are closing people without enough evidence, then reopening them, or you are closing people with enough evidence, then giving in to pressure (either from the player and his friends, or Jolt, now it wouldnt be fair of me to choose which, would it!)
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It looks like Jolt is sorry they are stuck with this game and want to get as few players as possible . When the player base is low enough it they pull the plug... whitout to much hazzle.

You are wrong on this. Jolt have stated that they don't care if people cheat, as long as they keep getting the money for it.
They have also forced MH to open planets that MH deem have cheated enough to stay closed.

They just want to earn as much money as possible, with as little effort/money from there part.
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Stop being prissy and just play the ****ing game already!

And ffs, let the PA team do their jobs, all posting on here is doing is inflaming a situation that the PA team have, relatively speaking, under control.

The fact that people would be so sad as to cheat on an hourly based resource management game disgusts me in the first place. The fact that some people are so obsessed with winning that playing the game for fun (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fun) stops being the issue makes me laugh. If you're sad enough to cheat so you can boast to your little online buddies about how "sup3r f33k1n 1337" you obviously are, then by all means do it, but don't winge the team when you do get closed, and tbh, if you have to cheat, there's no point in playing. You might as well FOAD.

Don't bother replying, cause I can't be bothered t read it.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

well as usual they the admins/mhteam are biased in who is closed and who isnt.

pretty shamefull acting from you guys latly.
this thread is useless too as the eula is followed more strict on some ppl and loose on some way to go m8's :/

for me its ban the pan .... cos your handeling of things suck
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Just exactly what have we done to make you think we are biased. And whome would we be biased to exactly?

All of the team come from different back grounds alliances wise. I think you will find your views on the matter a little bit off center. I personally woudnt heasitate to close one of my friends if they were cheating as they should know better. Because we have all played for a very long time together and they know the rules and know what cheating can do to this game.

If you think one of the MH team or PA team has behaved in a biased manner towards someone please let us know and that person and case will be reviewed. But knowing all the PAteam and MHteam rather well i think this will PAN out to be a load of nonsense.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

well if you say you is totally unbiased well frakly you are a lier...everyone is biased in some extent



and yes you ppl cloose ppl on looser grounds then you got a negative impression of them, from rumours ,friends etc
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well if you say you is totally unbiased well frakly you are a lier...everyone is biased in some extent

and yes you ppl cloose ppl on looser grounds then you got a negative impression of them, from rumours ,friends etc
Rumors don't keep a planet closed. Not liking a person doesn't keep a planet closed. Bias or not, MH can only keep people closed with sufficient evidence. No evidence, no permenant close. That's generally the way it goes last I heard anyhoo.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

Hang on, you complain that MH is biased, and then when they defend themselves you say they're lying because everyone is biased. Which means there can be no good MH team by your standards.

So are you saying we should just do without MH and let everyone cheat?
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I think robban1 means that any multihunter who closes -anyone- in his alliance or his friends, despite if theres a legitimate reason with evidence to prove it, is biased

the word is 'troll' people, best not to feed them
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Hang on, you complain that MH is biased, and then when they defend themselves you say they're lying because everyone is biased. Which means there can be no good MH team by your standards.

So are you saying we should just do without MH and let everyone cheat?

well as the rules isnt made in stone means that ppl isnt treated equally really,

which mean same crime doesnt give the same punishment if there is room for some bending of the rules therefore bias is an issue here

phil my definition of a troll i someome who give smatass comments which dont have anything to do the the subject to do, i give cretic the to guys who works as mh, you spam cos its me typing so in this case you are the troll. begone phil hush
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the rules are perfectly set in stone, its the punishments for breaking them which can vary - so you're wrong on that point

furthermore you fail to account for the degree by which someone breaks them. one could be barely breaking a rule without knowing, and another could be doing it blatantly and in a big way. surely the one barely breaking them unknowingly deserves a lesser punishment to someone who goes out of their way to break the rules?

and finally, fortunately it not your definition of troll which matters, its the mods definition

i suggest you look at the number of red blobs next to your name, and the number of green blobs next to other peoples to give an indication of what people think of you and of others
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i suggest you look at the number of red blobs next to your name, and the number of green blobs next to other peoples to give an indication of what people think of you and of others

I agree with what you said other than this.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

its why i said it gives an indication its hardly conclusive
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

well you forum troll likes to give them who isnt in the bandwagon with you guys and ofc you posrep eatchother all the time too so you look leet ....so go back to the cave now.... hush hush
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

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its why i said it gives an indication its hardly conclusive
Depends people like Appoco CLEARLY Green dot farm this ruins the whole system.
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Re: "I'm not sure if I'm cheating?"

Oh no, the MH are biased against people guilty of mass-cheating

sack them immediately!! We can't have this kind of bias! People that cheat might actually get closed rather than people that don't cheat!!
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