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Unread 21 Jan 2006, 15:33   #151
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Re: Predictions R16

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Erm, your politics took you to #2 yes, but there is a difference between playing politics and ending up as #2 than it is ending up #1. ND was allowed to grow ahead while the other allies fought out their wars, but it was never a question if ND would be taken down from #1, it was a question of when. Ending #2 is a strong achievement, dont get me wrong, but i do not believe you have the political skills to end #1.
ND played politics last round pretty much the only way it was beneficial for them. As pointed out previously, it was the lack in military strength that caused their 'downfall' in the end. Your post has an obvious logic-failure, It wasn't ND's lack of political skills that rendered them unable to win the round, it was the lack of military skills. If it had not been for good political skills, they wouldn't have made #2 in the first place (ofcourse, some external factors considering other alliances played a big part in them achieving the #2 spot aswell). I can't really understand why you'd think ND is unable to become #1 due to the one thing they actually stood out on last round.

Perhaps you can shine some light on that?
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Unread 21 Jan 2006, 15:52   #152
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Re: Predictions R16

ND wasnt focused on by the other allies, that is partially due to poilitics and partially due to noone seing them as probable winners in the end because of their lacking muscles. They had an easy ride. In a tight fight for the #1 spot i do not see them as probable winners, because of politics mainly. ND will loose a good chunk of their memberbase, and i assume they'll drop the more inactive part. Means their muscles will be somewhat bigger. But i still sincerely believe that ND does not have the political skills to end #1 with such few, but strong, contestants. Everyone knew ND's somewhat lacking muscles compared to the other top contenders last round, and that is the reason why they were allowed to play the political landscape as they did. Noone would allow allies like LCH/1up/Angels to sit and collect roids for 2/3 of the round, no matter how well they play politics and the same will be the case for ND next round. ND will have more muscles next round because of the new ally-limit and they wont be allowed to play like they did last round. When considering all of this; can you honestly say that ND because of their political skills have a good chance of winning the round? And tbh lokken, throwing personal insults at me for flashing my predictions for the coming round is big of you. Lots of respect your way from me.

As for your comments on last round, i'm not talking about last round. I'm talking about the upcoming round. The round where ND have cut 25-30 of the most inactive members and are closer to the other top allies when considering muscles. I'm not telling you why ND didnt end as #1 last round, i'm telling you why i think they arent gonna end #1 the coming round. Its a predictions thread, not a conclusion thread from r15.
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Unread 21 Jan 2006, 16:14   #153
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Re: Predictions R16

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ah you could be right there but i consider fang and angels the same. and they always said it was angels playing in lch as a bg so always did admit it was them there.... they didn't win anyways, so nothing to defend so to say :P
actually angels werent a bg in LCH, they joined LCH as just as a group of friends, but they didnt attack as a group within LCH
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Re: Predictions R16

Who knows what might happen. Things happening over and over again isnt new to planetarion, and i wouldnt be surprised if someone took the same apporach to this round as ND did last round(maybe ND will again,. never change a winning formula?). It will be interesting to see.
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Unread 21 Jan 2006, 16:49   #155
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Re: Predictions R16

don't worry viking... nothing personal from lokken probably, just that he can't be unbiased at all as soon as someone mentions ND. you are absolutely right in posting what you think on a predictions thread and tbh it had less to do with ND political skills then the other allies... the other allies were set on killing each other.. if ND hadn't made a public chan and wouldn't have talked to anyone outside of their own alliance they'd have had exactly the same situation as they had now.
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Re: Predictions R16

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Noone would allow allies like LCH/1up/Angels to sit and collect roids for 2/3 of the round
And what excactly did everyone do with LCH last round?
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Re: Predictions R16

not to the same extent kargool
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Re: Predictions R16

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not to the same extent kargool
Well, I dont think you have been playing the same game as I have the last round then. LCH got away with less incs than the other top 5 allies last round.
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Re: Predictions R16

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Do you know ANYONE who is absolutly and entirely impartial. Because I don't. There never has been and there never will be. If someone slanders VGN, then I'll be first in our defence. I see no reason not to expect the same from lokken for Tuba and ND, and you should respect that. Perhaps you wouldn't do the same for 1up or your old alliances, but that's your choice.

As for Round 15 discussion, I would like to think that we've got that over and done with. This is Round 16, and anyone who spends the time looking back not forward will simply get their arse kicked.
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Unread 21 Jan 2006, 18:37   #160
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Re: Predictions R16

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Well, I dont think you have been playing the same game as I have the last round then. LCH got away with less incs than the other top 5 allies last round.
Why do you keep saying stuff like that kargool ? it's b*llsh*t.

Now get back to talking about R16 it's what this topic is about.
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Thats the best thing I've heard to come out of LCH, have positive rep
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Re: Predictions R16

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Why do you keep saying stuff like that kargool ? it's b*llsh*t.
No it isn't. ???!!! In a situation like this, you are only lying to yourself. And you look silly lying to yourself in public.
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No it isn't. ???!!! In a situation like this, you are only lying to yourself. And you look silly lying to yourself in public.

Here he goes again
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Thats the best thing I've heard to come out of LCH, have positive rep

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Re: Predictions R16

1. Angels
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3. 1up << haha Ive put u guys below us!!11
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Re: Predictions R16

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TBQH, LCH did get the least incs out of the t5 alliances. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's not your fault other people didn't attack you and let you grow. You didn't do anything wrong, you just took advantage of the situation. But to claim you got more incs than any other t5 alliance is bullshit.
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TBQH, LCH did get the least incs out of the t5 alliances. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's not your fault other people didn't attack you and let you grow. You didn't do anything wrong, you just took advantage of the situation. But to claim you got more incs than any other t5 alliance is bullshit.
I think no1 claimed more inc´s to us than other top5?
It´s just false to say we got away with no inc´s all round. you know it your self.
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TBQH, LCH did get the least incs out of the t5 alliances. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's not your fault other people didn't attack you and let you grow. You didn't do anything wrong, you just took advantage of the situation. But to claim you got more incs than any other t5 alliance is bullshit.
he wasnt claiming that at all, he was responding to chikas claim that they couldnt have won the round, where no lch hc claimed they were. LCH was rebuilding after the collapse in r14, and I would guess spending more time getting a core built up.

To put it bluntly, Ace was just responding to another put down of LCH post by chika where chika seems to think he knows more about LCH then the LCH command
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Re: Predictions R16

A lot of people act like they know as much about an alliance, as that aliances command. but a lot of the time, the hc of said alliance, wont correct them because of the sensitivity of the information. Its always amusing when its over a matter where the HC can and do respond.

Forums are always amusing to see peoples views on alliances, and how much they can try and twist things to benefit themselves, and to cause aggrovation between certain groups ;-) or just to annoy someone. Good Ol' AD
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A lot of people act like they know as much about an alliance, as that aliances command. but a lot of the time, the hc of said alliance, wont correct them because of the sensitivity of the information. Its always amusing when its over a matter where the HC can and do respond.

Forums are always amusing to see peoples views on alliances, and how much they can try and twist things to benefit themselves, and to cause aggrovation between certain groups ;-) or just to annoy someone. Good Ol' AD
The thing is that quite a lot of the time they don't need to use sensitive information to make their point, if they take time and thought into their posting.

I actually think members who don't necessarily know very much should post their view on the forum if they bring their opinion forward in a reasoned, logical, well thought out way. I think having misconceptions, preconceptions and wonderfully correct stabs in the dark based on logic are vital things for the forum. If you post an argument that has little structure to it and infact doesn't look at things in depth, well then you shouldn't be shocked if you get dumped on your arse by your rival either.

As for causing misconceptions, making other alliances look stupid, or make other alliances think badly of each other, that's what AD is for so I don't think I'm going to encourage any kind of stop to it
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Re: Predictions R16

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I think no1 claimed more inc´s to us than other top5?
It´s just false to say we got away with no inc´s all round. you know it your self.

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The thing is that quite a lot of the time they don't need to use sensitive information to make their point, if they take time and thought into their posting.

I actually think members who don't necessarily know very much should post their view on the forum if they bring their opinion forward in a reasoned, logical, well thought out way. I think having misconceptions, preconceptions and wonderfully correct stabs in the dark based on logic are vital things for the forum. If you post an argument that has little structure to it and infact doesn't look at things in depth, well then you shouldn't be shocked if you get dumped on your arse by your rival either.

As for causing misconceptions, making other alliances look stupid, or make other alliances think badly of each other, that's what AD is for so I don't think I'm going to encourage any kind of stop to it
I totally agree, I love it myself.

When I used to play actively, I enjoyed filling in "Gaps" with spectulative guesswork, for both my own amusement and the frustration it can cause, for people to have to either outright deny it, which most people tend to think its true afterwards. or they have to think long and hard of a way to disprove the arguement without putting too much information or having to think too hard :-)

Forums are amusing at times.
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he wasnt claiming that at all, he was responding to chikas claim that they couldnt have won the round, where no lch hc claimed they were. LCH was rebuilding after the collapse in r14, and I would guess spending more time getting a core built up.

To put it bluntly, Ace was just responding to another put down of LCH post by chika where chika seems to think he knows more about LCH then the LCH command
Kargool said that LCH got away with less incoming. Ace said that statement was bullshit. I said no it wasn't. Read up fat boy. I do not know anything about LCH. I do know that they had the least incoming, and didn't win. Stop me when I'm wrong.
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TBQH, LCH did get the least incs out of the t5 alliances. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it's not your fault other people didn't attack you and let you grow. You didn't do anything wrong, you just took advantage of the situation. But to claim you got more incs than any other t5 alliance is bullshit.
I never said we got more incomming then others.
All i was saying is that its b*llsh*t that we didn't get any incomming, and you can vouch for that as a lot of our incomming was from ND
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Well, I dont think you have been playing the same game as I have the last round then. LCH got away with less incs than the other top 5 allies last round.
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Why do you keep saying stuff like that kargool ? it's b*llsh*t.
That to me, implies that LCH DID allegedly get more incs from someone.

And if most of your incs was from us, considering the considerable amount of time we were napped, I think that shows what a poor round of incs you indeed had.
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That to me, implies that LCH DID allegedly get more incs from someone.

And if most of your incs was from us, considering the considerable amount of time we were napped, I think that shows what a poor round of incs you indeed had.
Did i say we only had incomming from you ?
I said a lot of our incomming and the time we where napped ? LOL don't get me started on that part.

But tbh all this stuff about former rounds in a post of this round should stop.

Former rounds is the past, new round new options new stuff.
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But tbh all this stuff about former rounds in a post of this round should stop.
Realise you were wrong, change the subject. Good call dude.
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Realise you were wrong, change the subject. Good call dude.

Wrong again, look at the title of this post.
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The facts are that we ended with the rank 1 and 2 planet, and you guys didn't


So if you know o so good what we did..
then try to be more like us, on those points, in the future
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I never said we got more incomming then others.
All i was saying is that its b*llsh*t that we didn't get any incomming, and you can vouch for that as a lot of our incomming was from ND

Well, as many have pointed out before in this thread, and since I like to be funny, I'll point it out again to you.

I didnt say u didnt get incoming. I said that you were the ones who got the less incs of the top 5 allies.

If you got a problem with understanding what I am saying, I'll be happy to translate it to any of your native languages..
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Well, as many have pointed out before in this thread, and since I like to be funny, I'll point it out again to you.
Kargool actually listening to people?
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Well, as many have pointed out before in this thread, and since I like to be funny, I'll point it out again to you.

I didnt say u didnt get incoming. I said that you were the ones who got the less incs of the top 5 allies.

If you got a problem with understanding what I am saying, I'll be happy to translate it to any of your native languages..
My native language is Dutch, so go ahead and translate it to Dutch
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I've personally not heard LCH brag about anything since round 15 ended. No doubt they did quite well, regardless of the reason. (if it's good for ND, then it's good for anyone else) They did well in a "rebuilding" round
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My native language is Dutch, so go ahead and translate it to Dutch
that would indeed be amusing most likely, unless he asked someone else to translate which would just be lame
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that would indeed be amusing most likely, unless he asked someone else to translate which would just be lame
I bet he will ask someone
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Re: Predictions R16

When we talk about rebuilding an alliance, it means you need to rebuild on many fronts. One of those fronts is the moral of your members. In that aspect, LCH played the most perfect possible round imaginable. They had #1&2 planets, they had hardly any incs and then ended top5 with a good avg score/roid ratio.

Think about it, all these things are what's best for the morality of an alliance. I think purely on that aspect, they couldn't have hoped for a better round.

Next round will be a test for them. they'll need to prove their rebuilt has worked and their moral will be tested during hard times of heavy incs. But concerning last round, if I were LCH command I'd be extremely happy with last round because they couldn't wish for better moral boosters.
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Well, I dont think you have been playing the same game as I have the last round then. LCH got away with less incs than the other top 5 allies last round.
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Why do you keep saying stuff like that kargool ? it's b*llsh*t.
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4.Yes we had less incomming then the others in top 5
Just thought this was quite interesting. No prejudice there I hope Ace
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Thanks for clearing that up! For a minute there I thought I was going crazy.
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Just thought this was quite interesting. No prejudice there I hope Ace

If i was replying to that post in the first place you are right it looks weird.
But i was replying to the general feeling he tried to create of us not having any incomming at all.

But like i said before, lets get back to topic.
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If i was replying to that post in the first place you are right it looks weird.
But i was replying to the general feeling he tried to create of us not having any incomming at all.

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to agree with HK, Exil is not the same without Kaifux, but tbh its even not the same without TK or without crusie. and now u have HYdra. Things change, but its up an ally to cope with that
Angels will play the very first round without Irvine who has at least the same status as Kaifux if not even more
you cant compare the only HC of exilition with a DC of Angels. (as much i realise that he is more then just a DC)

apart from that its not just that kaifux doesnt play, we started off with 4 HC, neither of them are going to play next round.
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My native language is Dutch, so go ahead and translate it to Dutch
Jouw alliance had mind aanvallen te verduren dan de anderen in de top 5. En dat was waarschijnlijk omdat niemand jou boeiend vindt.

It took me hours to find an english dutch dictionary online

I am quite suprised at Ace's abilites to create something that simply isnt there. I merly stated a fact and then you go on and put words into my mouth.
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Alot of eX members want to play this round, but without command there's not much to do about it. And for the BG, well all I can say is why haven't I been invited yet (if there is one)?
says something about how we value you

on a more serious note, yes theres a fair bit of exilition playing, but not enough to fill a r15 alliance :/
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Jouw alliance had mind aanvallen te verduren dan de anderen in de top 5. En dat was waarschijnlijk omdat niemand jou boeiend vindt.

It took me hours to find an english dutch dictionary online

I am quite suprised at Ace's abilites to create something that simply isnt there. I merly stated a fact and then you go on and put words into my mouth.
now translate to my native language...
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you cant compare the only HC of exilition with a DC of Angels. (as much i realise that he is more then just a DC
Irvine is HC, and the most active one in Angels at that. It will also be the first round Angels play without him, from what I gather, and seeing the effort he pulled while I was there, you're right, he's more than just a dc.
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Jouw alliance had mind aanvallen te verduren dan de anderen in de top 5. En dat was waarschijnlijk omdat niemand jou boeiend vindt.

It took me hours to find an english dutch dictionary online

I am quite suprised at Ace's abilites to create something that simply isnt there. I merly stated a fact and then you go on and put words into my mouth.

Close but no cigar. but online English to Dutch translaters are not that great
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comedy kargool... but indeed... it's almost never correct when translating english to dutch like that

atleast you didn't have someone else translate tho, good boy
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