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31 Jul 2007, 14:39
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I am still awaiting a response from tomkat and/or koen or other concerned parties on this issue.
With baited breath!
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31 Jul 2007, 14:40
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That's 1 less member we have, yet everyone is so apathetic about it (or scared to tell the nod/deffeh/jbg clique that they're being shit for fear of being made fun of or left out of the "cool crew") that it'll just continue to get worse in here.
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hay man that sounds like a pretty cool clique how can i join?
In all seriousness;
a/ Its an internet chatroom
b/ Koen is free to rejoin whenever he wants, it was purely his decision
c/ It was a joke
You're also going to have to get over this clique thing dude. Realistically, whats the harm? People have friend groups on the internet. I heard you/furball/minty/rr et al all post on PB and hang out in #pb how dare you . you and your super op friend and meets and tight band of friends o man i'm totally not happy about this >
I think to a large extend the persecution complex you're getting over this as well is pretty ridiculous. It seems youve taken some people's non attendance of meets pretty personally. The breakdown worked as follows;
JBG is a soulless social recluse from potatoland who wouldnt attend a meet in his back garden.
I'm a penniless unemployed Glaswegian who was in the midst of a 10 day come down.
Jer had a lot of stuff that had to be done that weekend and couldnt be rescheduled.
KaneED is a butte.
If i was nod i probably wouldnt have gone to a PB/TK meet either, not just because he's being internet cool but because whether you'd like to admit it or not there seems to be quite a lot of needless and inherent anti-nod esque stuff, partly reciprocated, but mostly unprovoked, in the very nature of PB etc.
Some day i will (probably) go to one of the meets so i'd prefer you didnt take me entirely seriously when i call you a faggot. I actually like you, but this is the internet.
Making fun of people on the internet is brilliant, and par for the course. IRC at its best is like an interactive stand up show. But i dont get why you'd think it wasnt mutual accross the board, i would say the top 5 people i give hassle to in order would be; KaneED, Nodrog, Jer, Koen, vampy. Its not an aggressive thing; its fun. Im thoroughly bored of typing now and im not even going to conclude this properly how do you feel about that
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31 Jul 2007, 14:48
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Re: #forums
posting in support of the anti anti-nodrog crew
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31 Jul 2007, 14:59
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by Deffeh
Some day i will (probably) go to one of the meets so i'd prefer you didnt take me entirely seriously when i call you a faggot. I actually like you, but this is the internet.
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31 Jul 2007, 17:00
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by Nodrog
posting in support of the anti anti-nodrog crew
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That reminds me of the faux Starbucks-and-Becky IRC log where you pop into the channel because you've heard your name. Good times.
Edit:
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...ecky+starbucks
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31 Jul 2007, 18:10
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Next goal wins!
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
I am still awaiting a response from tomkat and/or koen or other concerned parties on this issue.
With baited breath!
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You shouldn't have banned him in the first place for his quit message, it doesn't warrant a ban of any kind. You wouldn't expect the same thing to happen to you, you wouldn't ban me for it, so you shouldn't ban Koen. It's just not fair and is pretty much bullying.
Even if you take the ban off a minute or so later i still don't really support it, those kinds of bans are ok in small amounts when someone is just flooding the channel with stupid shit, but thats pretty much the only situation where it's acceptable.
This stuff was all well and good back in 2001, but I like to think that as a community we have grown up. making other people look small to make yourself feel good is ok, and it happens all the time on irc and here, but banning them is the internet equivalent of punching someone, it makes an actual difference and isn't acceptable except under extreme circumstances.
Also, arguments that we should allow this kind of thing "because its the internet"* are only going to keep people thinking of the internet as a place for kids and immature geeks.
*hi deffeh
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31 Jul 2007, 18:51
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by Deepflow
You shouldn't have banned him in the first place for his quit message, it doesn't warrant a ban of any kind. You wouldn't expect the same thing to happen to you, you wouldn't ban me for it, so you shouldn't ban Koen. It's just not fair and is pretty much bullying.
Even if you take the ban off a minute or so later i still don't really support it, those kinds of bans are ok in small amounts when someone is just flooding the channel with stupid shit, but thats pretty much the only situation where it's acceptable.
This stuff was all well and good back in 2001, but I like to think that as a community we have grown up. making other people look small to make yourself feel good is ok, and it happens all the time on irc and here, but banning them is the internet equivalent of punching someone, it makes an actual difference and isn't acceptable except under extreme circumstances.
Also, arguments that we should allow this kind of thing "because its the internet"* are only going to keep people thinking of the internet as a place for kids and immature geeks.
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it's only become a big deal rather than a shit joke because - koen acted like a prima donna, and
- TK found a delightful axe-grinding opportunity.
temp bans as humour have been part of IRC and part of #forums pretty much since forever. I wasn't in the channel at the time and all I know is what I read here and in #f, so I don't know the exact situation; if koen was banned indefinitely the second time round obviously that's stupid and JBG is at fault but on the other hand it's being blown out of all proportion. If it was another temp ban then koen, and only koen, is being an arsehole.
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really, no. it's the internet equivalent of telling someone to **** off, which has a wider range of purpose and strength of feeling than lamping someone does.
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#forums, UN ambassadors to the technophobe population! You know, or not. Hyperbole and melodrama is why this thread even exists, don't take it even further.
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31 Jul 2007, 18:54
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Re: #forums
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banning is the internet equivalent of punching someone, it makes an actual difference and isn't acceptable except under extreme circumstances.
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31 Jul 2007, 19:06
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Re: #forums
I remember the same cool people mocking Kura for throwing the 'it's just the internet lol' card everytime when being called out, double standards on gd, who should've thought that.
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31 Jul 2007, 19:18
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Re: #forums
It's not "just" the internet. It is the internet.
And when did kurashima play this card? The only card I can remember kura playing was the "you used to be funny but blah" one.
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31 Jul 2007, 19:28
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by SilverSmoke
I remember the same cool people mocking Kura for throwing the 'it's just the internet lol' card everytime when being called out
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I remember the same SilverSmoke making incorrect arguments about GD and the way people from there act, funny how life is.
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31 Jul 2007, 19:33
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Re: #forums
I remember when all this was ARPANET and the dramallama was still just a cria.
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31 Jul 2007, 19:40
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Next goal wins!
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by Phang
it's only become a big deal rather than a shit joke because - koen acted like a prima donna, and
- TK found a delightful axe-grinding opportunity.
temp bans as humour have been part of IRC and part of #forums pretty much since forever. I wasn't in the channel at the time and all I know is what I read here and in #f, so I don't know the exact situation; if koen was banned indefinitely the second time round obviously that's stupid and JBG is at fault but on the other hand it's being blown out of all proportion. If it was another temp ban then koen, and only koen, is being an arsehole.
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I assume TK doesn't see it as an axe-grinding oppurtunity any more than you or I do, all everyone has done so far is post about whether they think Koen/JBG acted rightly or wrongly, and there is a divergence of opinion.
The fact that I happen to agree with Tom makes me think that it was extremely necessary for him to argue the point here.
We seem to disagree on what is and isn't acceptable behaviour though
I don't think it's being "blown out of all proportion" if we lose Koen out of it.
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really, no. it's the internet equivalent of telling someone to **** off, which has a wider range of purpose and strength of feeling than lamping someone does.
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No, the internet equivalent of telling someone to **** off is this:
<Deepflow> **** off
The punching thing probably wasn't the greatest example though, forget that. Rl parallels of any kind are unnecessary.
The rest of this post isn't particularly addressed to Phang.
It appears that we just have different concepts on what is acceptable behaviour on irc. You people think it's ok to ban someone (the member of the channel who gets made fun of the most anyway) for shits and giggles. I don't.
To me it reeks of bullying and that's something i'm entirely against, moreso when it is someone who is very much a member of our community (this is because I assumes the psychological affect is worse on someone who counts those doing the bullying as friends).
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31 Jul 2007, 20:25
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Re: #forums
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KoeN has left and JBG isn't remorseful
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31 Jul 2007, 22:10
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I am still lurking and reading this thread, I just can't be bothered to flog this dead horse by stating and restating my opinion as it won't achieve anything. JBG won't apologise as he thinks he's being hilarious, and even if he did I'm not sure KoeN would return.
One less regular user in #forums. Well done guys.
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31 Jul 2007, 22:15
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Re: #forums
Here comes KoeN to save the INTARWEB!
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31 Jul 2007, 22:23
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
I am still lurking and reading this thread, I just can't be bothered to flog this dead horse by stating and restating my opinion as it won't achieve anything. JBG won't apologise as he thinks he's being hilarious, and even if he did I'm not sure KoeN would return.
One less regular user in #forums. Well done guys.
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I appreciate that you have never liked jonny. Though I also (being eternal and wise) also appreciate the delicious irony that the two of you would get on exceptionally well were you to meet*.
But please for the love of rational sanity, in deference to the fact that the enlightenment really did happen and is not just a delicious gin induced dream, stop mourning koen. For YEARS everybody who has ever spoken to him for more than 5 minutes has tried to find a way to never repeat the experience.
If GD, #Forums or anything we hold dear had 3 members - you koen and me then koen leaving would still be an achievement.
As it is the ****er has not even left and you keep going on and on and on ...
*Jonny I give my word that when I type this I do so knowing that Tom is actually lovely and fun and not at all as awful as he is presently coming across.
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31 Jul 2007, 22:41
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Re: #forums
JBG stop banning people if the result is endless whining that shits up my forum experience
Everyone else it was only a joke ban please get over it
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
I am still lurking and reading this thread, I just can't be bothered to flog this dead horse by stating and restating my opinion as it won't achieve anything. JBG won't apologise as he thinks he's being hilarious, and even if he did I'm not sure KoeN would return.
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Actually at this point it's just sad and ridiculous. If I apologised I'd mean it just as much as my apology up above. Sorry!
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I appreciate that you have never liked jonny.
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Re: #forums
Heh.
Heh.
Oh dear.
Heh.
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KoeN used to really annoy me. One night, whilst drunk, i put him on ignore. Life was good.
Slowly, slowly though i became intrigued. What was KoeN saying? There were conversations going on around me all the time. Conversations involving KoeN. So after a while (9 months or more) i took KoeN off ignore.
Thankfully i did for i was then regaled with stories of infinite amusement. I mean the story about his grandfather and the trousers and the rat, THAT story i'm STILL TO THIS DAY passing off as my own.
Yeah, so in short, what i'm saying is "you'll miss him when he's gone".
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WHAT YOU SAY??!? DRAMAQUEENS ARE GINGER???
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Originally Posted by Dace
KoeN used to really annoy me. One night, whilst drunk, i put him on ignore. Life was good.
Slowly, slowly though i became intrigued. What was KoeN saying? There were conversations going on around me all the time. Conversations involving KoeN. So after a while (9 months or more) i took KoeN off ignore.
Thankfully i did for i was then regaled with stories of infinite amusement. I mean the story about his grandfather and the trousers and the rat, THAT story i'm STILL TO THIS DAY passing off as my own.
Yeah, so in short, what i'm saying is "you'll miss him when he's gone".
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1 Aug 2007, 19:14
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Re: #forums
Requesting a link to grandfather's trouser rat
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Re: #forums
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Originally Posted by Dace
KoeN used to really annoy me. One night, whilst drunk, i put him on ignore. Life was good.
Slowly, slowly though i became intrigued. What was KoeN saying? There were conversations going on around me all the time. Conversations involving KoeN. So after a while (9 months or more) i took KoeN off ignore.
Thankfully i did for i was then regaled with stories of infinite amusement. I mean the story about his grandfather and the trousers and the rat, THAT story i'm STILL TO THIS DAY passing off as my own.
Yeah, so in short, what i'm saying is "you'll miss him when he's gone".
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1 Aug 2007, 20:18
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The alonquin round table knights probably experienced rough times in their mutual relationships as well but at least they could look eachother in the eyes while making comments about eachothers ineptitudes.
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Not if they were wearing shades*.
*i hear Ray Bans were big in the 20's
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You've got his back covered, haven't you?
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1 Aug 2007, 20:24
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Who's back?
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"<KoeN> because he squeezed a rat to death in his trousers"
To die in KoeN's great-granpa's pants.
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Koen is in Paris.
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I bet he'll be back soon saying hi guys I was just joking as I needed to go abroad hopefully you didn't take this all too seriously
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Throw him some orange sweets.
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