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Unread 4 Dec 2004, 14:17   #1
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Bush ready to liberate Cuba

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US president George Bush will be committed during his second term in office to the "liberation of Cuba" by extending moral and political support to the communist nation's people, a top State Department official says. Roger Noriega, who heads the department's Latin American bureau, also said that once Fidel Castro was no longer in power, the United States was ready to support broad economic and political reform in Cuba "to ensure that vestiges of the regime don't hold on". Noriega noted that Washington had a blueprint for providing social, economic and other types of assistance to Cuba in the post-Castro era.
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Now forgive my ignorance but what harm has cuba done to the US and what threat does it currently present?
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Unread 4 Dec 2004, 14:29   #2
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

don't you understand? communists are bad bad people!

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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

not just that, but they had the cuban missle crisis during the cold war!
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

america has been trying to take over cuba for decades.
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Exclamation Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

I don't think this amounts to anything more than being ready to pick up the pieces when the Communist government collapses shortly after Castro finally dies.
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

The US wants a decent public health care system and is planning to liberate Cuba's

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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

It's part of a longer term plan to attack lesser and lesser threatening countries with total backing from their nation so they can finally work their way up to 'liberating' canada.

Plus the only time they can use the word liberties and liberation in America is when they are talking about invading countries, certainly can't talk about liberation IN America.
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

"US president George Bush will be committed..."

Geez, they could have phrased it better. "has committed", "is committed", "will commit himself to".
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

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US president George Bush will be committed during his second term in office
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to the "liberation of Cuba" by extending moral and political support to the communist nation's people, a top State Department official says
the official forgot to note that this moral and political support will be backed with several thousand troops and several billion dollars of weapons.
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. Roger Noriega, who heads the department's Latin American bureau, also said that once Fidel Castro was no longer in power
after being shot or bombed
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, the United States was ready to
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broad economic and political reform in Cuba "to ensure that vestiges of the regime don't hold on".
like those damn Iraqi insurgents.
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Noriega noted that Washington had a blueprint for providing social, economic and other types of assistance to Cuba in the post-Castro era.
which has been sponsored by Haliburton and several large US construction firms.
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

At the time of the Cuban Missile crisis, I thought the US promised not to invade Cuban so long as the missiles were removed first.
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

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Now forgive my ignorance but what harm has cuba done to the US and what threat does it currently present?
I really doubt that the administration would use any military force to try and liberate Cuba if Castro died. Instead they will probably do just what the statement said they would do, try and influence them economically by imposing more captialism and less socialism. I have no idea why we would want to invade and take over Cuba.
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

they wont invade cuba, the sheer political backlash from around the world would totally **** bush up
however, they will socially probably just about take cuba as their own as soon as castro dies
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

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they wont invade cuba, the sheer political backlash from around the world would totally **** bush up
however, they will socially probably just about take cuba as their own as soon as castro dies
Maybe, but what would be the motivation to do this? What does Cuba offer? It is a poor third world country with not very many resources.
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Re: Bush ready to liberate Cuba

noriega???

hmmm I rememer some old dark US foreign policy fiasko involving that name.
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I don't think you scoffed enough at the use of the word "ensure".
good point. I could have added extra comments there. In future I will be more careful. :xmas:
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I deny that incident ever happened :\
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What political backlash? Bush could take the Netherlands now and there is nothing anyone could do about it but write whiney posts on PA GD.
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Now forgive my ignorance but what harm has cuba done to the US and what threat does it currently present?
The question here shouldnt be what they have done it should be what they didnt do.

But what cuba did was turn communist and be on the side of the Russians during a very politically unstable international period. Think about where Cuba is in comparison to America and then Russia as well. America would of had to defend from both sides. PM me if you actually want the full story of the whole situation because i feel i am not doing it justice atm. Hell give me my dues it is 6:37am and i was just about to go to bed. But honestly if you want me to tell you more about this then message me
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What political backlash? Bush could take the Netherlands now and there is nothing anyone could do about it but write whiney posts on PA GD.
To ****ing right. What we have here is what we call a super power. Bush doesnt have to listen to anyone in the world eg. Iraq. Hell UN said do not go in (well they didnt actually say that but brief summary) and what doe he do goes and ****s the country up. What consequences has he got because of it....... Another term in the white house
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Well, I'm glad I checked out this bump otherwise I would have missed all the stellar insight.
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sayonara should post more.

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OK and YES!

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Oldest profession that is.
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To ****ing right. What we have here is what we call a super power. Bush doesnt have to listen to anyone in the world eg. Iraq. Hell UN said do not go in (well they didnt actually say that but brief summary) and what doe he do goes and ****s the country up. What consequences has he got because of it....... Another term in the white house
go playing there
Bush hardly has enough troops for Afganistan and Iraq, so how could he possibly start yet another invasion? Lets not even start talking about the money he would need (to borrow from other countries).
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What political backlash? Bush could take the Netherlands now and there is nothing anyone could do about it but write whiney posts on PA GD.
This is a staggeringly poor troll.
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This is a staggeringly poor troll.
Thanks. I gave up actually discussing anything seriously on this forum a long time ago. When I tried to explain that the United States won the Vietnam War. The response from at least one person was....

Idiot.

And much more in the same vain. I'm brainwashed from watching CNN, while others on this forum are enlightened from reading alternative news sources.

Europe did not need help in World War II.

Americans killed all the native Americans, or at least a vast majority of them, etc.
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Thanks. I gave up actually discussing anything seriously on this forum a long time ago. When I tried to explain that the United States won the Vietnam War. The response from at least one person was....

Idiot.

And much more in the same vain. I'm brainwashed from watching CNN, while others on this forum are enlightened from reading alternative news sources.

Europe did not need help in World War II.

Americans killed all the native Americans, or at least a vast majority of them, etc.
I don't think the Vietnam war really had a winner per se, although I'd be interested to hear your interpretation of it. I always felt it was more of a farce than a war. CNN is probably one of the better American news channels. I say probably as the only American news I ever watch is whichever one is shown on sky news at random times of night (this is either cbs or cnn). Obviously there's an essential problem with the amount of foreign affairs coverage that can be shown as clearly domestic news gets a higher priority for nearly all news channels and there's a lot more of America that requires it's news to be told. Europe not needing help in WWII is some sort of insane point which doesn't make sense on any level. Firstly part of Europe was fighting other bits of it. Secondly the bit which you're referring to as "Europe" clearly wasn't doing that well. Would it have pulled through and defeated Hitler's Germany? Possibly, but certainly not in as short a space of time and probably with a lot more casualties.

Obviously the settlers didn't all set out together on a mass extermination campaign of the native americans but most reliable estimates are that up to 80% of the population died due to diseases brought by Europeans and there is a fair amount of evidence that these diseases were intentionally spread (I view it as more of an attack by a minority than a national genocidal campaign). Most of what you stated is rather more complicated than how you stated it. Obviously we have a few rather strange individuals who sort of defy rational debate but overall I'd have to say, speaking as a far economically right-wing anti-democratic libertarian, I find this to be one of the more balanced forums on the internet that I've encountered. Usually you'll find as long as you don't talk down to people and explain your points coherently your views will be accepted, perhaps not as undeniable fact but certainly as worthy of discussion. Unless someone thoroughly debunked your points and you insisted on carrying on like nothing had happened I doubt that there would be that many people on this forum who would insist on calling you an "idiot".
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I don't think the Vietnam war really had a winner per se, although I'd be interested to hear your interpretation of it. I always felt it was more of a farce than a war.
It is probably explained better in my college text book sitting on my bookshelf, but I would rather not re-read it at this time. Basically, the continuing attempts to contain the growth of communism eventually lead to the downfall of communism. That means each little delaying action was a minor victory in the overall defeat of communism.

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CNN is probably one of the better American news channels. I say probably as the only American news I ever watch is whichever one is shown on sky news at random times of night (this is either cbs or cnn). Obviously there's an essential problem with the amount of foreign affairs coverage that can be shown as clearly domestic news gets a higher priority for nearly all news channels and there's a lot more of America that requires it's news to be told.
CNN is shown in Germany and Belgium, not CBS. I'm not sure about SKY News though. I watch CNN because it has more foreign affairs news than the other news stations. My point, however, is that the claims that CNN watchers are brainwashed as opposed to enlightned people who get their news from bloggers.

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Europe not needing help in WWII is some sort of insane point which doesn't make sense on any level. Firstly part of Europe was fighting other bits of it. Secondly the bit which you're referring to as "Europe" clearly wasn't doing that well. Would it have pulled through and defeated Hitler's Germany? Possibly, but certainly not in as short a space of time and probably with a lot more casualties.
I'm sure that the Allies would have beat the Axis without the help of the United States, but saying that the Allies did not need the United States' help is going a bit too far. This is what many posters on this forum have stated over the years.

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Obviously the settlers didn't all set out together on a mass extermination campaign of the native americans but most reliable estimates are that up to 80% of the population died due to diseases brought by Europeans and there is a fair amount of evidence that these diseases were intentionally spread (I view it as more of an attack by a minority than a national genocidal campaign).
I have stated in the past that most of those 80% were the result of actions taken by Europeans, specifically Spanish, Portugese, French and British. The Europeans killed more native Americans than Americans killed.

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Most of what you stated is rather more complicated than how you stated it.
And my points were made in long threads about those particular subjects. Not just bullet comments.

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Obviously we have a few rather strange individuals who sort of defy rational debate but overall I'd have to say, speaking as a far economically right-wing anti-democratic libertarian, I find this to be one of the more balanced forums on the internet that I've encountered. Usually you'll find as long as you don't talk down to people and explain your points coherently your views will be accepted, perhaps not as undeniable fact but certainly as worthy of discussion.
I think when people see my name as Texan they automatically assume I'm an ultra-conservative, ignorant, uneducated cowboy.

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Unless someone thoroughly debunked your points and you insisted on carrying on like nothing had happened I doubt that there would be that many people on this forum who would insist on calling you an "idiot".
That is an interesting point. Some people on this forum (at least in the past) read their ultra-liberal blogs, copy and paste a few sentences and believe they have ingeniously defeated the brainwashed barbarian from Texas.
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It is probably explained better in my college text book sitting on my bookshelf, but I would rather not re-read it at this time. Basically, the continuing attempts to contain the growth of communism eventually lead to the downfall of communism. That means each little delaying action was a minor victory in the overall defeat of communism.
I thought communism was doomed anyways due to the inherent contradictions in the nature of Marxist-Leninist thought?


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CNN is shown in Germany and Belgium, not CBS. I'm not sure about SKY News though. I watch CNN because it has more foreign affairs news than the other news stations. My point, however, is that the claims that CNN watchers are brainwashed as opposed to enlightned people who get their news from bloggers.
Personally I'd suggest that getting your news from a wide range of sources is better than from just one source (or a few very similar ones). I read everything from socialist journals, to capmag's news, to the bbc and cnn.


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I'm sure that the Allies would have beat the Axis without the help of the United States, but saying that the Allies did not need the United States' help is going a bit too far. This is what many posters on this forum have stated over the years.
I'd say you've probably simplified their points a bit too much. Maybe vermillion (whenever he returns) can enlighten us all with a four page post and a four line summation (I know which one I'll be reading).


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I have stated in the past that most of those 80% were the result of actions taken by Europeans, specifically Spanish, Portugese, French and British. The Europeans killed more native Americans than Americans killed.
I don't really go in for blaming nations for the sins of their ancestors. Always struck me as a bit too christian for my liking.

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I doubt that a bit. However that might assume that some common failings that other people with similar backgrounds to yourself had might exist in your good self as well.

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That is an interesting point. Some people on this forum (at least in the past) read their ultra-liberal blogs, copy and paste a few sentences and believe they have ingeniously defeated the brainwashed barbarian from Texas.
I don't think many of "us" read ultra-liberal blogs. I'm not even sure where I'd find one of those.
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JohnnyBGood are you delirious CNN is ****ing SHITE
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go playing there
Bush hardly has enough troops for Afganistan and Iraq, so how could he possibly start yet another invasion? Lets not even start talking about the money he would need (to borrow from other countries).
actually i think you might find he does have enough troups for iraq over 100% of what expert say he requires. He doesnt use them because of the financial implications and that he is a ****ing retard. Money he would nee to borrow??? the last fiscal report i read (which was the latest) states that if george bush can go to war and still have enough money to implement any new bills he wants . Thats quite possibly why he is at war right now whilst revamping the health service over there.

PS: the reason why iraq and afghanistan mission are failing so badly is because of poor planning and not putting enough troups in there. NOT because he doesnt have enough
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JohnnyBGood are you delirious CNN is ****ing SHITE
Maybe it's CBS I watch. I don't really remember to be honest.
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Maybe it's CBS I watch. I don't really remember to be honest.

probably but go watch CNN on sky - they have it on there and decide for yourself
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I'm sure that the Allies would have beat the Axis without the help of the United States, but saying that the Allies did not need the United States' help is going a bit too far. This is what many posters on this forum have stated over the years.
ARE YOU ****ING CRAZY - that goes to texan and the original poster who said that . What have you read about the war. We would have lost if america hadnt got involved no doubt about it. If america hadnt got involved when they did we would have lost any later than that it is very hazy if we would have won. I don't know what world people are living in but one thing we have to thank america for is saving our asses however much people dislike there Government. Well to be honest have the japanese to thank for us all not speaking german or dead (as the current policies in germany at the time would have some to believe.) If they hadnt invaded Pearl Harbour when they did america would not have got involved.

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Just for reference Tex , its Fox News watchers that are brainwashed (and inherently braindead), not CNN.
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