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Unread 21 Mar 2005, 23:55   #1
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BSc vs. BA

Last week I got an e-mail stating that if I had completed such modules (which i have), then I have the option to change my degree (even at this late stage) from BA Economics, to BSc Economics.

I can see pros and cons to both sides.

BSc Econ shows that I can do maths, and it is these modules that I tend to do well on (for example I was told I have the highest ever mark in the core econometrics course (one of the ones I needed to have passed to make it a BSc)). But I already have a job lined up, so I see little need to have it for this purpose.

On the other hand, I think I'm right in saying that Cambridge do not do BSc's at all (I'm sure Mark can comment on this if necessary) so if BA's are good enough for them, they're more than good enough for me.

I appreciate that it will probably make little difference, but do you feel there is more kudos attached to one than the other? Which shall I go for?
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Re: BSc vs. BA

what's the difference between them ?

one is science one is arts ?
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Re: BSc vs. BA

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what's the difference between them ?

one is science one is arts ?
Bachelor of Arts vs Bachelor of Science, so yes.
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Re: BSc vs. BA

ok.

tbh, i don't think it matters **** all to anyone outside academia, so i'd say go with what you think you'll enjoy more.
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Re: BSc vs. BA

BSc Baracus just doesn't sound right


but now the serious suggestion : go with science
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Re: BSc vs. BA

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so i'd say go with what you think you'll enjoy more.
That's the thing, it makes no difference to me, the modules I take (and I'm in my final semester at uni) are exactly the same. It merely is what letters do I want after my name.
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Re: BSc vs. BA

My politics degree gives me a Bsc Economics

i dont know why....
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Re: BSc vs. BA

was gonna apply for BSc economics myself not BA

but after that im gonna have LLB after my name heh
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Re: BSc vs. BA

I'm going for a BA, followed by an MA.

BSc does sound somewhat more respectable these days, because Science sounds cooler than Arts. Hell, the latter sounds a bit useless in today's environment. Having a Bachelor of Arts sounds like you're a painter, or a philosophy student.

However, once you know the historical context, being a Bachelor of the Artes Liberales sounds way cooler
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with any luck, i should end up with BSc MSc and CEng after my name. That is of course, if i manage to pull my finger out and get into uni
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Re: BSc vs. BA

Mine goes BSc -> MSc (MChiro)

I also get to have Dr before my name \0/

Given the choice i'd go with the BSc.
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You can't have a Dr. with only a masters surely?

I'm gonna have Meng after my name at the end of this year (unless i **** up )

Stew - go with the Bsc, it'll stop people thinking "Bloody art student"
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I wont have a doctorate but i'll be a Chiropractor and by law they are entitled to be referred to as doctors.

The doctorate would take my course to 6 years and at this point in time 5 is quite enough thanks.
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Re: BSc vs. BA

I would probably go with the BSc, it just sounds a bit better to me.
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Re: BSc vs. BA

No difference to employers tbh if you do a BSc. They are apparently harder (for economics) - considering that most of the better unis in the UK don't offer BA for Economics anyway.

...but in this day and age when employers only seem to care whether you got a 1st or 2.1 in what they consider to be a good degree - i don't think the change will make any difference other than to make your life harder.

BSc Economics is just unnecessary maths imo. I'm a final year.

When i went for my interviews they didnt seem to give the slightest damn that i was doing a BSc. Only thing they cared about was my predicted grade.

I mean.... i was a candidate for various interviews among people doing shitty degrees like management, business studies, and other dual honour degrees. The only thing we had in common was that all of us were predicted 1sts (a few 2.1's).

So recommendation is - if the change to BSc will mean that you need to do more math modules (assuming harder) than don't change. If not then change.

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honey i really can't for the life of me think how it would effect you.

accept that gentlemen have BAs
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Re: BSc vs. BA

It won't make a shred of difference mate - just decide which you think looks nicer after your name.

Maybe in the past, when it was relatively unusual to have a degree, there would have been a difference, but not now.
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Every degree's a BA. If you continue to do stuff in the subject area it gets upped to an MA after three years.

If you do a 4 year course (only usually done in the sciences*), you get a subjectival Masters (MEng, MMath, MSci) as well as an MA.

*and only rewarded in the sciences.

This is largely because you're not studying any given subject, you're just part of the tripos.
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Get the BSc, girls doing Sociology get BA's, you don't want people to think you're a girl do you?

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Girls doing Biology get BSci's thgough, you don't want people to think he's a girl do you?

The only way out of this is to drop out immediately.
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Thanks for all the advice guys.

It looks like you have changed my opinion, and I shall be opting for the BSc.
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Thanks for all the advice guys.

It looks like you have changed my opinion, and I shall be opting for the BSc.
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* Vs Yahwe on the opinion yet again.
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I wont have a doctorate but i'll be a Chiropractor and by law they are entitled to be referred to as doctors.
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c) If you're going to separate the different post-nominals with commas, put one after your name as well.
c) If you'd been to a proper university (read: Cambridge) you'd know that post-nominals are listed in descending, not ascending, order. You don't see the Duke of Grafton putting his DL before his KG.

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b) It's also incorrect to use "BSc" and "MSc" at the same time, since they're different grades of the same thing.


At the end of the year i'll have a BSc in Biochem with Genetics and an MSc in Biomolecular Technology, they arent the same subject so i'll be pretty pissed off if I cant use both.

I guess you are mean someone who has done an 'undergraduate masters' cant use both?
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At the end of the year i'll have a BSc in Biochem with Genetics and an MSc in Biomolecular Technology, they arent the same subject so i'll be pretty pissed off if I cant use both.

I guess you are mean someone who has done an 'undergraduate masters' cant use both?
Just wondering if one of you can answer this question then.

I'm in the last year of my 4 year MPhys physics undergraduate course. As i passed my third year does this mean I'm already entitled to use BSc as that is what i've have had if i'd only done 3 years. That seems to be what Proteus is saying.
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At the end of the year i'll have a BSc in Biochem with Genetics and an MSc in Biomolecular Technology, they arent the same subject so i'll be pretty pissed off if I cant use both.

I guess you are mean someone who has done an 'undergraduate masters' cant use both?
No, you can't use MSc and BSc at the same time, no matter what subjects you studied to get them, as it would be silly to claim to be both a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Science at the same time. If you want to have lots of letters after your name, you have to plan your degrees so as to end up with lots of different types.

If I were to stay after my degree and do a Classics MPhil, for instance, and then a PhD in History, I'd only be able to use the PhD after my name, as you can't use "Master of Philosophy" and "Doctor of Philosophy" at the same time. As if that weren't bad enough, I'd also lose my BA (or, by then, MA), as the Cambridge PhD is taken to include an MA.

It's similar to how John Smith, MBE, is appointed OBE (the next grade up in the Order) and becomes John Smith, OBE, not John Smith, OBE, MBE.
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I do Bsc Economics and wish I got given a chance to do less maths, if I did I'd take it.
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Just wondering if one of you can answer this question then.

I'm in the last year of my 4 year MPhys physics undergraduate course. As i passed my third year does this mean I'm already entitled to use BSc as that is what i've have had if i'd only done 3 years. That seems to be what Proteus is saying.
You can't have any degree unless you've graduated, which I guess you won't have done if you're on an undergraduate course. I don't know how your university works, but when Cambridge does this you get both degrees at the end of the fourth year (even though you're entitled to graduate in the lower one from the end of the third year), as that way you stay an undergraduate throughout the course and the university gets more money from the Government.
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You can't have any degree unless you've graduated, which I guess you won't have done if you're on an undergraduate course. I don't know how your university works, but when Cambridge does this you get both degrees at the end of the fourth year (even though you're entitled to graduate in the lower one from the end of the third year), as that way you stay an undergraduate throughout the course and the university gets more money from the Government.
Cheers. Tthat would make more sense.
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I just (literally) got offered a PhD, do i get to still use my MPhys with my PhD?
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Proteus, I'm not sure you're right, my lecturers seems to use all of them, and in ascending order on their staff profile pages. I think you just may be talking about when you abbreviate it for professional use, as oppose to academic.
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Proteus, I'm not sure you're right, my lecturers seems to use all of them, and in ascending order on their staff profile pages. I think you just may be talking about when you abbreviate it for professional use, as oppose to academic.
I have Debrett's to back me up, whereas your lecturers almost certainly only have their egos on their side. (And there's no such thing as "academic use". Post-nominals are a device to show someone's status and honours, not a convenient way of listing every degree they've ever had.)

As far as the order goes, my reference to a "proper" university hid the complexity of the situation. Most universities recommend the "ascending" order, and Cambridge is one of the few that do not. However, the order of post-nominals is not a matter for universities to decide, but for the Crown, and it has always used descending order of seniority (in a very strict order, which I won't bore you by listing). As usual, the academic world thinks it's a law unto itself, when it's not.
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No, you can't use MSc and BSc at the same time, no matter what subjects you studied to get them, as it would be silly to claim to be both a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Science at the same time. If you want to have lots of letters after your name, you have to plan your degrees so as to end up with lots of different types.

If I were to stay after my degree and do a Classics MPhil, for instance, and then a PhD in History, I'd only be able to use the PhD after my name, as you can't use "Master of Philosophy" and "Doctor of Philosophy" at the same time. As if that weren't bad enough, I'd also lose my BA (or, by then, MA), as the Cambridge PhD is taken to include an MA.

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If you had your BSc in a different subject from your MSc then you would list both degrees regardless of what innanely pointless social conventions you seem to have picked up.
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If you had your BSc in a different subject from your MSc then you would list both degrees regardless of what innanely pointless social conventions you seem to have picked up.
You might do that, but it wouldn't stop you being wrong. But I don't care, to be honest - it's not like I'm going to fire-bomb your house and murder your parents just because you want more letters after your name.

(Out of curiosity, if you had, say, five different undergraduate degrees, all "BSc"s, in different subjects (like one of those people who goes around collecting degrees), would you call yourself "Gordon Ross, BSc, BSc, BSc, BSc, BSc"?)
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Every degree's a BA. If you continue to do stuff in the subject area it gets upped to an MA after three years.
21 terms after matriculation.

there's no requirement of 'doing stuff'
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If you had your BSc in a different subject from your MSc then you would list both degrees regardless of what innanely pointless social conventions you seem to have picked up.
you'd just have recieved the degree twice, you wouldn't be BSc twice.

on first receiving your degree you are elevated to the status of BSc, on receiving your second degree you have nowhere to be elevated to; you're still just a BSc

why're we getting all nerdy(nerdier) by the way?
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21 terms after matriculation.

there's no requirement of 'doing stuff'
You're not allowed to get divorced though in that time are you?
At least that's what I was told by a mate at Cambridge.
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do people not think the truth is oxbridge is strange enough without having to invent stuff?
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Dear god this thread has a lot of unnecessary words.
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Switch to a BA then...
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