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21 Nov 2007, 23:50
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[football] england
mother****ers
i suppose it'd be easy to blame it all on carson, but surely its unfair, none of the outfield players played well; crouch and beckham played averagish for their ability - the point im trying to make is they 'look good' in comparison to the rest of the team but im not sure if they were all that good.
England threw away every chance everyone gave them*. Whilst scotland can be rightly proud of a team on the rise england are a bunch of muppets who deserve to be whipped.
Oh well, homenations championship next summer?? we don't need you stupidly superior continental types with your better football
*during the qualifying phase
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22 Nov 2007, 03:12
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Re: [football] england
Home nations would be great
we can all celebrate being terrible together
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22 Nov 2007, 05:04
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Re: [football] england
The point is, when supporting the English Football team; as I have slowly come to realise is: we're toilet, and have been toilet since we lucked out and won the world cup.
Because of this very simple fact I've also come to realise a couple of other points of interest: we almost always assume that we're GOING to win something; we assume, because we have one of the strongest leagues on the planet that we're automatically elevated to the top world level, and we put our faith, no matter how miniscule, into whatever manager is appointed; this is wrong and not-so-deep in our hearts we know it.
The sad truth, as many of you who follow football on a regular basis is, our so-called premier league is constructed mainly of foreign players and as a result our expectations are almost always unrealistically high.
My suggestion, for those of you who are feeling a little sore about the latest debacle is to take a leaf out of Wales' or the Republic of Ireland's book. Enjoy being involved for as long as we're involved, party like it's 1999 (or 1966) and when we duck out, as we invariably do, take it on the chin with a huge grin, pick yourself up and start all over again.
Please tell me that if we appointed a new manager we'd all have the same gameplan - That you would ditch almost the entire team; all the old stalwarts would go, feck Ferdinand off, Beckham, Robinson, Crusoe (and James), Cole (both), Campbell, Neville, Gerrard, Lampard, Crouch, Bent, and start pushing some real young talent forward as an investment for the future, it's long road ahead and as soon as the next manger realises that the better.
Get some young spunks involved I say, Tevez, Ronaldo and Fabregas would make an awsome trio, why not Adebayor and Torres? What's wrong with Micah Richards and players like Kuyt, Giovanni, Ronaldinho and Nani?
Let's build a young squad of players going forward to get the foundations in place for a future world cup winning squad.
It's a great country we live in and we need a great football team going forward, any other suggestions are more than welcome.
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22 Nov 2007, 13:17
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Re: [football] england
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We're shit and we know we are
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We could do as Saddam used to so and shoot teams that fail to win.
Let's face it, the threat of a gun to the temple is the only way we're ever going to win the world cup.
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22 Nov 2007, 15:16
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Re: [football] england
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Bent
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Since when has Bent been a stalwart, he's 23 and has not been given the chance that he probably deserves.
And you cant drop all the established players as you need a mix of youth and experiance
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22 Nov 2007, 15:34
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Re: [football] england
I think this should be in this thread.
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22 Nov 2007, 15:38
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Re: [football] england
Because I'm no fan of certain humiliation I haven't watched the recent matches. But I've always thought that we tend to collect a bunch of world-class footballers and hope to god they win matches; whereas other sides have a system (that doesn't revolve around one or two players). The Greek team that won the world cup are by far the best example of this.
I was happy when they axed Beckham the first time because I thought that his exit would lead the way to some kind of robust system or strategy, but that never seemed to materialise.
Basically, I think we and certainly the manager should stop focusing on the players and instead on the style of football and overall strategy and for that we need a determined manager who will happily replace world-class footballers for ones that will work well in the team for the amelioration of the overall strategy.
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22 Nov 2007, 15:44
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by cubass2
The point is, when supporting the English Football team; as I have slowly come to realise is: we're toilet, and have been toilet since we lucked out and won the world cup.
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This is largely true.
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The sad truth, as many of you who follow football on a regular basis is, our so-called premier league is constructed mainly of foreign players and as a result our expectations are almost always unrealistically high.
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I'm not sure why you've felt the need to call it the 'so-called' premier league. It is one of the best in the world. Without the foreign players then it wold be the 'so-called premier league' because it would be a terrible, terrible league.
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My suggestion, for those of you who are feeling a little sore about the latest debacle is to take a leaf out of Wales' or the Republic of Ireland's book. Enjoy being involved for as long as we're involved, party like it's 1999 (or 1966) and when we duck out, as we invariably do, take it on the chin with a huge grin, pick yourself up and start all over again.
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Have you ever watched Wales play? There is no party and there is most certainly no enjoyment. I'm not really sure what the experiance is except that it's something stronger than mild indifference.
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Please tell me that if we appointed a new manager we'd all have the same gameplan - That you would ditch almost the entire team; all the old stalwarts would go, feck Ferdinand off, Beckham, Robinson, Crusoe (and James), Cole (both), Campbell, Neville, Gerrard, Lampard, Crouch, Bent, and start pushing some real young talent forward as an investment for the future, it's long road ahead and as soon as the next manger realises that the better.
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You play these players because they are the best player available. If you played the kids you would fail. Miserably.
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Get some young spunks involved I say, Tevez, Ronaldo and Fabregas would make an awsome trio, why not Adebayor and Torres? What's wrong with Micah Richards and players like Kuyt, Giovanni, Ronaldinho and Nani?
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Way to get into the spirit of national football teams!
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Let's build a young squad of players going forward to get the foundations in place for a future world cup winning squad.
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That's what every pundit has said since 1966. It's a dream. This team was young once and it was just as shit. The magic formula doesn't work with a group of selfish shits.
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It's a great country we live in and we need a great football team going forward, any other suggestions are more than welcome.
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This is largely false.
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22 Nov 2007, 16:08
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by milo
mother****ers
i suppose it'd be easy to blame it all on carson, but surely its unfair, none of the outfield players played well; crouch and beckham played averagish for their ability - the point im trying to make is they 'look good' in comparison to the rest of the team but im not sure if they were all that good.
England threw away every chance everyone gave them*. Whilst scotland can be rightly proud of a team on the rise england are a bunch of muppets who deserve to be whipped.
Oh well, homenations championship next summer?? we don't need you stupidly superior continental types with your better football
*during the qualifying phase
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you don't win or lose a qualifying on a single match, you've been consistently shit for like ages.
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22 Nov 2007, 16:43
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by Deffeh
Home nations would be great
we can all celebrate being terrible together
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We could see who can be the worst.
At least every team could have a chance of winning it then.
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22 Nov 2007, 16:58
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Re: [football] england
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The Greek team that won the world cup are by far the best example of this.
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I'm not sure which upsets me more, the fact that someone out there on the internet actually thinks Greece won the World Cup or that their "achievement" in the worst European Championship in modern times should ever, ever be repeated ever, ever again.
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22 Nov 2007, 16:58
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by All Systems Go
If you played the kids you would fail. Miserably.
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What, like... now?
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22 Nov 2007, 23:53
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by Achilles
I'm not sure which upsets me more, the fact that someone out there on the internet actually thinks Greece won the World Cup or that their "achievement" in the worst European Championship in modern times should ever, ever be repeated ever, ever again.
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I absolutely agree, noone should try to become that horrible team.
With the current English team, I would absolutely put the blame on the management. There are good players in the squad and if the manager and his staff can't get them to perform, they are the wrong people for the job. Not getting past Russia with this sort of players + resources is laughable.
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23 Nov 2007, 04:19
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Re: [football] england
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you don't win or lose a qualifying on a single match, you've been consistently shit for like ages.
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Yeah but the great english hoi polloi have been in denial about it for a number of years, we've finally realised it isn't only the managers...the players are turds. There hasn't actually been that much vitriol spouted mclarens way, and i think thats an indication people accept he was working with dossers to begin with.
What we need is jose mourinho but he won't come, in the absence of that we need the best turd polisher we can find, someone who takes players playing below their ability and who polishes their shit laden arses till they win.
Which is why martin oneil will probably get the job.
In a parallel universe id want a wenger or a rijkaard, oh what a glorious team we would be. But the fact is national managers can't buy the type of players they need - they have to deal with the crap on offer and polish it. Our players grunt and scratch their arse if anything but 442 is mentioned, wenger would be wasted on them.
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23 Nov 2007, 12:38
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Re: [football] england
Instead of people moaning about a lack of English players why don't they encourage some English youngsters to move abroad? It would teach them about the world, different ways of playing, training, coaching etc...
Young players from all over the world come to England but no English players seem willing to leave the country.
Maybe that's something to think about.
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23 Nov 2007, 12:44
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by All Systems Go
Young players from all over the world come to England but no English players seem willing to leave the country.
Maybe that's something to think about.
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For the longest time, playing abroad was the kiss of death for being part of the Italian national team as well. They still did ok.
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23 Nov 2007, 13:36
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Re: [football] england
Also, so many people beamoans italy for their style of play...
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23 Nov 2007, 18:21
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Re: [football] england
For the record, Harry Redknapp is a rubbish manager and should under no circumstances be allowed to manage England.
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23 Nov 2007, 18:27
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Re: [football] england
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Also, so many people beamoans italy for their style of play...
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People cry over a lot of things.
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23 Nov 2007, 23:59
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by Hebdomad
Also, so many people beamoans italy for their style of play...
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Also for diving and cheating.
But more importantly because the world champions shouldnt have to play with the same style of play that San Marino use to sneak a draw against France.
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24 Nov 2007, 14:21
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by Forest
For the record, Harry Redknapp is a rubbish manager and should under no circumstances be allowed to manage England.
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He is far from a rubbish manager, take a real look at what he has acheived as manager with what he had to work with and it shows hes a quality manager.
Is he right for England manager though, i'm not sure. He would be a manager who's man management style would get the players working together well as thats been one of the key areas in his success but I'm just not sure he has the tactical ability or the presence for such a big role.
Tbh I think the problem England have had over and over again is simply we dont play to our strengths. Just like you wouldnt expect Italy to play fast free flowing football we shouldnt be expecting England to play Slow methodical build up play like we have done for the last decade or so. We should be playing fast, direct and exciting style, i would certainly be happier watching us lose playing like that than losing playing slow like we have been (as long as we don't end up playing like Arsenal in the last couple of seasons where the style counted for more than substance in the final third)
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24 Nov 2007, 14:44
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Re: [football] england
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Just like you wouldnt expect Italy to play fast free flowing football we shouldnt be expecting England to play Slow methodical build up play like we have done for the last decade or so. We should be playing fast, direct and exciting style,
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Pretty sure we've played "fast, direct and exciting" quite ab it over the last ten years, and all it's resulted in is us running around without the ball.
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24 Nov 2007, 15:40
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Re: [football] england
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Originally Posted by wakey
He is far from a rubbish manager, take a real look at what he has acheived as manager with what he had to work with and it shows hes a quality manager.
Is he right for England manager though, i'm not sure. He would be a manager who's man management style would get the players working together well as thats been one of the key areas in his success but I'm just not sure he has the tactical ability or the presence for such a big role.
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26 Nov 2007, 21:20
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Re: [football] england
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For the longest time, playing abroad was the kiss of death for being part of the Italian national team as well. They still did ok.
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Then I blame it on the UK being an island and the English for having a generally inflated ego of unjustified proportions.
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