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Deepflow · 22 Jun 2003, 03:12

yeah yeah... lovely spoiler marks at the top. seemed to work with reloaded thread.

ANYWAY

for anyone who has read this... what did they think of it? I personally think its not quite as good as GOF, but better than the other 3, not quite sure why i think that, but nm.

Sirius dying eh? I suppose thats pretty bad, Harry is now more isolated in the wizarding world again, losing the closest thing he ever had to a father figure. Is this going to unhinge him at all in the other books, probably not, but would be nice if he went kind of crazy.

Dumbledore and Voldemort actually duelling for a bit was cool, I haven't studied that bit particularly as i generally don't like reading about fighting, seems kind of inadequate. But It was almost as if Dumbledore got lucky, with Fawkes and everything, although i suppose he "knew" he was going to save him. But dodging or deflecting would have saved his pet needless pain.

I don't think the prophecy is going to be particularly changing to the books, except possibly to harrys attitude, as it always seemed to be a very harry vs vold attitude anyway, there is just more of a reason for it now.

one last thing... Cho Chang was a bit of a morbid bitch wasnt she? oh well.

hmmnah

i get a feeling this won't get many replies as most of you dont care/havent read the book yet.

but never mind eh?

Chojin · 22 Jun 2003, 03:15

All this thought and speculation over some thoughtless, poorly written children's book. It's enough to make you yearn for the days when reality TV was cool.

Deepflow · 22 Jun 2003, 03:28

small minded snob... i pity you, for i was once the same.

Ragnarak · 22 Jun 2003, 07:38

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Originally posted by Chojin
thoughtless, poorly written children's book

WOW THAT INSIGHTFUL AND AMAZINGLY INTUITIVE IN-DEPTH CRITIQUE HAS MADE ME SUDDENLY REALISE HOW OH SO VERY WRONG I'VE BEEN

(i didn't think you were a complete twat, i was wrong)

Nodrog · 22 Jun 2003, 09:09

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Originally posted by Dark_Mage
they are ok books but ffs there are so many better ones its untrue

why dont you read a really good book? and not something that sells well to little kids

http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2863

Nodrog · 22 Jun 2003, 09:39

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Originally posted by Dark_Mage

No she is not she is playing ffs! there is no deep meaningful theory behind kids literature.

Children dont abstract concepts such as good and evil from their environment (including literature)??

LHC · 22 Jun 2003, 11:01

Good versus evil features in many books. Why is Harry Potter so special for it?

Deepflow · 22 Jun 2003, 11:47

philistines...

of course i have read many of the books you consider "better". But thats not really the issues, if i choose to spend a day reading something that is something slightly more low brow and then discuss it, is that so wrong?

its people like you that started world war 2

inf · 22 Jun 2003, 12:00

over rated.

Ragnarak · 22 Jun 2003, 12:04

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Originally posted by inf
over rated.

definitely

in the same way Rooney's overated at the minute

doesn't mean they're/he's still not good

Androme · 22 Jun 2003, 12:14

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Originally posted by Ragnarak

in the same way Rooney's overated at the minute

and Beckham...

Kurashima · 22 Jun 2003, 12:44

Artemis Fowl > Harry Potter

deerbarn · 22 Jun 2003, 12:47

whos sirius?

mbushell · 22 Jun 2003, 12:52

I tried reading on of those books, I got bored and gave it back to my much, much younger cousin :/

mbushell · 22 Jun 2003, 12:53

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Originally posted by deerbarn
whos sirius?

Harry's godfather, granddad or sexslave- one of those...

Kurashima · 22 Jun 2003, 12:53

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Originally posted by deerbarn
whos sirius?

The Dog Star?

Canis Major?

deerbarn · 22 Jun 2003, 12:55

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Originally posted by mbushell
Harry's godfather, granddad or sexslave- one of those...

He been in the films?

Ragnarak · 22 Jun 2003, 12:57

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Originally posted by deerbarn
He been in the films?

nope

deerbarn · 22 Jun 2003, 13:05

he cant be important then :(

Deepflow · 22 Jun 2003, 13:10

the whole next film is about him... but never mind that

Jammers · 22 Jun 2003, 20:57

I don't think Sirius is dead. It seemed to me that he just went to some paralel universe type thing. Of course, that entire part of the book was rendered somewhat incomprehensible by Nevilles derranged ramblings. "loob habby, thbes hebeibobe" How is anyone supposed to understand what is going on when the characters aren't even talking properly?(yes I know he had a broken nose, but JK still could have made things a bit easier to understand)
My predictions for Book Six: wizard war, with hundreds of wizards duelling through the streets of London, Harry will continue down the dark path(he's already tried to use Avada Kevada), Percy will turn out to be under a spell(the controlling one, I forget its name), and Neville will be brutally murdered.

Proteus · 22 Jun 2003, 21:15

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Originally posted by Jammers
Harry will continue down the dark path(he's already tried to use Avada Kevada)

Wasn't it Crucio?

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Percy will turn out to be under a spell(the controlling one, I forget its name)

The Imperius Curse, I think.

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and Neville will be brutally murdered.

Couldn't it be Ron instead?

SYMM · 22 Jun 2003, 21:32

And Voldemort will turn out to be Harry's Father, and/or Hermione his sister?
(not having read any of the books, but the Star Wars similarities are there...)

Deepflow · 22 Jun 2003, 21:36

yeah... i think it was crucio... though like the woman said, he didnt MEAN it... which is good i suppose.

and i seriously doubt ron will be murdered, none of the three will be. If this sirius thing upset JK so much anyway

plus the three "work" together so well as a kind of narrative whatsy doo dah, and a team, etc. I get a feeling neville will play a bigger part now though, i also think he probably wont die, but can never be sure. there has to be something more to him being the other boy who "could" have been in that prophecy, otherwise why mention it? it served no purpose that i could see.

*donkie* · 22 Jun 2003, 21:45

Nice to know that nearly all of you have a strange ability to fear your childhoods. Perhaps you had particularily painful upbringings and dont want to immerse yourself other tham things which make you feel good.

I'm proud to say that i think Harry Potter is a brilliant set of books, not just for their content, but also for their ability to make children enjoy reading, and to make parents actually enjoy reading a book to their children.

Personallly, I still think that the Prisoner Of Azkaban was the best book, simply because of the story nand the book seemed the right length - i've started to think that the latest two, although their need to be long, i still think its more of a chore to read the books.

Anyway, it was another brilliant book, and well worth £8.50 and 3 years wait. Ofc, Harry is growing up now, with multiple references to his adams apple, and his kiss with Cho Chang makes him a real man

I Agree with the percy theory. However, I believe that neville wont die. I think he's far too important to the seventh book, where im sure he will play a crucial role.

okay, here we go... the complicated bit...

Some time in the next two books....

Harry learns that he can return sirius from the depths of behind the veil, but it required powerful dark magic. HIs love of sirius and his inability to see past his nose will force him down to the dark side. But he is forced to realise that he can never revive siruis without empowering Lord Voldemort to his full power again. He is forced to accept the loss of Siruis, his parents, and possibly another character, and avoid the pull of dark magic.

Just a theory.

Tzencath · 23 Jun 2003, 11:32

i bet you harry dies a grissly horrible death at the hands of neville.

[GAP]Obiwan · 23 Jun 2003, 11:42

why is i still think the books are going to end up with a

'and he woke up and realised it was all a dream' type ending

the dying puppy · 24 Jun 2003, 01:04

Among the spoilers that have been posted already, here is some more:
At thirty dollars, it's the most expensive "children's book" ever published.
It's almost nine-hundred pages long, making it the longest single children's book ever published, as well as part of the longest series of children's books ever.
It's have the largest first print run of any book ever published… almost seven million copies.

Innocent question: How bad does it SUCK?!

MrL_JaKiri · 24 Jun 2003, 01:16

The english edition is only 766 pages long, or thereabouts.

Proteus · 24 Jun 2003, 09:18

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Originally posted by the dying puppy
At thirty dollars, it's the most expensive "children's book" ever published.

Mine was £8.49.

pablissimo · 24 Jun 2003, 11:58

Turns out that Harry's just gay.

BBC News told me*

*This asterisk leads to no additional information

Marilyn Manson · 24 Jun 2003, 12:29

It all turns out to be a dream of 'Harry's' in book five. He wakes up and we find out that he is actually an unemployed 55 year old from Trimdon called Doreen.

I know this because I live in J K Rowling's hair.

Marilyn Manson · 24 Jun 2003, 12:32

I also heard that Gary Oldman may play Sirius in the film version of Prisoner of Azkaban. This may or may not be total rubbish.

das_experiment · 24 Jun 2003, 13:16

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Originally posted by Deepflow
yeah yeah... lovely spoiler marks at the top. seemed to work with reloaded thread.

ANYWAY

for anyone who has read this... what did they think of it? I personally think its not quite as good as GOF, but better than the other 3, not quite sure why i think that, but nm.

ye i feel the same way

Just finished the book, and i was somewhat annoyed by it, having expected it to be a bit deeper.

I sorta feel this book is developing the way wheel fo time is(im at book 8 atm), where its all just building to the final book(s).

plasmas_arms · 24 Jun 2003, 13:26

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Originally posted by [GAP]Obiwan
why is i still think the books are going to end up with a

'and he woke up and realised it was all a dream' type ending

Quickly followed by the public lynching of JKR by several thousand 10 year olds.

das_experiment · 24 Jun 2003, 15:57

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Originally posted by plasmas_arms
Quickly followed by the public lynching of JKR by several thousand 10 year olds.

many millions.....tyvm..

roadrunner_0 · 24 Jun 2003, 17:52

not a bad book overall, but definatly aimed more towards the adult market now, also, from my point of view, artemis fowl is much better written, but doesnt seem to pull you in as much, perhaps because you know its all about the comedy :/ but there you go.

on a side note, my department bought 109 copies of it, so we spent the best part of a grand on the new harry potter, bet none of you can say that :/

Vaio · 24 Jun 2003, 19:46

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Originally posted by Ragnarak
definitely

in the same way Rooney's overated at the minute

doesn't mean they're/he's still not good

I thought he was a great actor

Disappointed

Vaio

Freakozoid · 24 Jun 2003, 20:00

Good book.

Once again a useless ending.

I was hoping Hagrid would die because he is crap.

Sirius was useless as well so it's alright.

But why did no one talk about what falling through the arch meant?

it sounds like some parallel dimension type thing.

did anyone else think that the prophecy involving Harry and Voldemort meant that if one of them dies they both die?

Artemis Fowl was ok I guess but I only read the first one, are the others worth reading??

Steer clear of the Alex Rider series of books because it is complete ****e. Some of you lot could have written it.

Kegluneq · 24 Jun 2003, 20:10

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Originally posted by Freakozoid

Steer clear of the Alex Rider series of books because it is complete ****e. Some of you lot could have written it.

True. Very disappointing. Go read Philip Pullman instead.

KaneED · 25 Jun 2003, 11:02

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Originally posted by Kegluneq
Go read Philip Pullman instead.

I was going to say this!

I've just finished the first two and they're very good!

roadrunner_0 · 25 Jun 2003, 11:07

artemis fowl and the artic incident is perhaps even better than the first one, having just finished HP, i am now reading artemis fowl and the eternity code, which, so far, seems to be at the same level as the first two

so that will keep me pleased for the afternoon which i am making my tape

Kegluneq · 25 Jun 2003, 17:43

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Originally posted by KaneED

I've just finished the first two and they're very good!

You're in for a treat with Amber Spyglass. Best childrens book in years/ever.

Jammers · 26 Jun 2003, 01:02

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Originally posted by Freakozoid

did anyone else think that the prophecy involving Harry and Voldemort meant that if one of them dies they both die?

My theory is that Voldemort will keep possessing Harry every time it looks like he will be beaten, or that he'll posess Harry to spy on\kill Dumbledore. Eventually, Harry will realise that the only way Voldemort can be killed is if he kills himself while being possessed.

Deepflow · 26 Jun 2003, 13:09

yeah, philip pullman books are fantastic. nice and anti religion too, which is always good.

Sally · 26 Jun 2003, 14:44

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Originally posted by [GAP]Obiwan
why is i still think the books are going to end up with a

'and he woke up and realised it was all a dream' type ending

Read this.

Sally

roadrunner_0 · 26 Jun 2003, 14:55

ouch

Starbucks · 3 Jul 2003, 20:34

I finally finished this book after ages of putting it off, and as such i read this thread and as said the spoilers were in there and i was thankful that i didnt read this thread.

Being aked nicely (forced) by me "better half" to read this thing i was a bit annoyed by the size of it but realised the text was big (ish) i would of thought the adults one would of had smaller text

but anyway, half of this speculation isnt mine, its beckys

Sirrus wont come back to life as apparently "she never brings her charecters back to life" which means that harry in the next one would probably go to hagrid for talks about things

anyway, speaking away from prying eyes :ninja: anyone else notice Rowlings love of the word "cooly" to describe a charecters attitute, im tempted to download it in PDF so i can get it to count how many times, but it was a bloody lot

Next question is...who do you think will play Umbridge if this gets released in film in the next few years. thinking through it, i could only think of a female version of danny devito

Ebany · 3 Jul 2003, 20:48

Having literally just finished reading it I thought it was great. I think others have made most of the relevant points so I wont witter on about them further. As regards to being better or worse than other such books, I'd say the Phillip Pullman ones possibly just had the edge for me, but its quite a close thing. With regards to the Artemis Fowl books, I just read The Arctic Incident (the only one of them I've read) and tbh, I found it felt like it was more actively aimed at a younger audience. It just seemed a little too cheesey here and there. But it was still very readable.

With regards to Harry Potter being the longest childrens book ever published, this is cause before the Harry Potter books became so popular, the publishers would place a page limit on shildrens books (in the region of 250-300 pages, depending on the precise age group it was aimed at). JK Rowling needed the extra space to get in all the story, and as they were doing well the publishers let her get away with more, and it proved to them that kids can have an attention span longer than 5 minutes. Must have been a total shocker for them. I know when I was younger I was reading good long adult books, and I didn't (usually) get bored half way through and give up.

Ragnarak · 3 Jul 2003, 21:02

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Originally posted by Ebany

I know when I was younger I was reading good long adult books, and I didn't (usually) get bored half way through and give up.

I'd reckon most kids who like reading will have prolly read LOTR by about 10 or 11