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Unread 1 Dec 2007, 11:39   #1
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Salvage

I have probably misread something somewhere but:

http://parser.lch-hq.org/index.php?s...25491196504992

I have just lost 11800 chimera in a battle report at my planet as a defender. The total resource cost of the destroyed ships was therefore 11, 832, 000 resources.

I am terran so I get a race bonus of 20%. The top 20 average score at the time was approximately 2.7M and my score is 2M.

The salvage I should have received is therefore 11, 832, 000 * 0.3 * 1.4 * 1.125 which gives a value of approximately 5.6M resources.

Yet I only received 2,348,658 resources.

Have I worked this out correctly, and has anyone got any idea why this is the case? I havent even included the resources from the 'killed' clippers in my calculations.
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Re: Salvage

The new salvage rules completely threw me off my balance, I have no idea what to expect any more. So even though they may (keyword, I really don't have an opinion on it) be better for the game, it's nullifying that by being too complex.

I vote for removing it again for next round.
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Re: Salvage

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The new salvage rules completely threw me off my balance, I have no idea what to expect any more. So even though they may (keyword, I really don't have an opinion on it) be better for the game, it's nullifying that by being too complex.

I vote for removing it again for next round.

I agree. You never know what you get any more.
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Re: Salvage

He only got salvage from the dead enemy ships, you receive no salvage for your own ships being stolen.
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Re: Salvage

I don't know what is so complicated about it, other than maybe the score modifier. The only things that have changed are that and the fact that salvage for lost ships for the defender is given to the person who lost the ships. The salvage bonuses for terran/cath might have been introduced this round as well but that doesn't increase complexity much either.

Also I don't see why salvage being complicated is a reason to remove the new features. I don't know when you'd ever need to calculate exactly how much salvage you will get and most battlecalcs will give you a rough idea as to how much you can expect to get (I think it's never less than the bcalc says).
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Unread 1 Dec 2007, 21:20   #6
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He only got salvage from the dead enemy ships, you receive no salvage for your own ships being stolen.
Er? So you're sayin that if my entire fleets gets blocked and stolen, I get no salvage whatsoever? I'm sorry, but that's both retarded and untrue.
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Re: Salvage

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Er? So you're sayin that if my entire fleets gets blocked and stolen, I get no salvage whatsoever? I'm sorry, but that's both retarded and untrue.

as i understand it, you get the salvage from the ships that die stealing your own, but no actual salvage from the ships you lose, as they don't actually die just get half inched etc.

EDIT: looking at the manual it says you recieve salvage for destroyed/lost ships in combat, and if i remember correctly stolen ships don't count as destroyed/lost ships, though perhaps the terminology could be clearer as it doesn't specifically mention whether ships that get stolen in defence contribute to the salvage.
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Re: Salvage

Looks like I was wrong indeed. It's not untrue, but it is retarded.
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Re: Salvage

increasing salvage for 1 side firing or so wouldnt be untrue

compensate for fact of time needed to defend whitout having salvage
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Unread 2 Dec 2007, 03:45   #10
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Re: Salvage

la récupération croissante pour 1 mise à feu latérale ou ainsi n serait pas fausse

compensez le fait de l'heure nécessaire de défendre snas avoir la récupération
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Re: Salvage

from being a mainly lonely player i can tell that you get load of attack from small player whn you attack them. good player will get cover op to hurt player that want to be to ruff and doest have the bak for it.
usualy get in gal help if you help them , so happen a few time that we trash a 5 M fleet to end whit to few salvage for a 100% fleet .

pour se joindre a vous , ce n est que logic que les pilotes puisse attacker certaine parti du vaisseau. permetant de ne pas trop abimer les vaisseau designer.(scorpion should kill fi , since it not hard for a bs , and that why the made (cruiser) actualy)

a 33% would be fair
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Looks like I was wrong indeed. It's not untrue, but it is retarded.
I agree here. If a planets fleet gets stolen as it was in the battle report then the base salvage is only 15% (since its the attackers fleet that has 'died'). I dont really see how it matters to a defending planet whether their ships were killed or were stolen - they are still in the same position of having lost x amount of ships.

All fleet catches should really be done with zik steal ships if possible then - it will limit the amount that the defender can rebuild the ships he has just lost.
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Re: Salvage

zik and cath , would only wreck enemies fleet , but make the balance unstable as alaince matter , even if attack just sent part of theyr fleet both

and i dont what about what your saying , fleet catch are pain in the ass since only small , non top allaince player can be fleet catched.
maybe a increase in salvage , 35% if the whole fleet is destroyed .let the player have a chace at staying in top 400-500
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I agree here. If a planets fleet gets stolen as it was in the battle report then the base salvage is only 15% (since its the attackers fleet that has 'died'). I dont really see how it matters to a defending planet whether their ships were killed or were stolen - they are still in the same position of having lost x amount of ships.
The difference, however, is that the ships have not been lost from the game. If the game gives salvage for ships that simply trade hands then it's essentially creating something out of nothing and opens a window for abuse. You don't want to create a situation where allies could steal ships from each other and gain salvage in the process (specifically, more salvage than their losses).
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The difference, however, is that the ships have not been lost from the game. If the game gives salvage for ships that simply trade hands then it's essentially creating something out of nothing and opens a window for abuse. You don't want to create a situation where allies could steal ships from each other and gain salvage in the process (specifically, more salvage than their losses).
Your argument punishes everyone who loses ships to stealers in order to suppress (ineffectively, at that) a small group of cheaters.
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Your argument punishes everyone who loses ships to stealers in order to suppress (ineffectively, at that) a small group of cheaters.
Yes it does; but if stealing were to yield a significant net gain then it might not be such a small group.

It's axiomatic that players will seek out advantages and unfortunately in my experience they won't always stay within the rules to do so. Sometimes the only way to control the cheating is to eliminate--or greatly reduce--the advantage.

PA's history is littered with rule changes intended to help the 'unfortunate' but which had to be yanked because they were exploited by the 'fortunate.' On the other hand, maybe the hunter-to-player ratio is high enough now that enforcing the rules is no longer a problem.
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I can't find the logic in this one at all.

When a zik defends, he gets 25 % (+ score bonus) salvage from the ships dying from stealing afaik, even if there is no value loss on his side.

The right solution would, in my opinion, be that those who gets ships stolen by attacking ziks should get 25 % salvage back, and defending ziks should not get more than 15 % salvage which corresponds to kill salvage for the attacking stolen ships.
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I can't find the logic in this one at all.

When a zik defends, he gets 25 % (+ score bonus) salvage from the ships dying from stealing afaik, even if there is no value loss on his side.

The right solution would, in my opinion, be that those who gets ships stolen by attacking ziks should get 25 % salvage back, and defending ziks should not get more than 15 % salvage which corresponds to kill salvage for the attacking stolen ships.
And why on earth nerf the zik even more...
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What do you mean "even more".
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And why on earth nerf the zik even more...
If there is an issue with the stats making ziks relatively weak, fix it with the stats. Dont fit it with.... Salvage. Or Research Bonuses. Or some other arcane thing that used to be popular, like PDS* or universal trade bonuses.

Whilst its true that receiving no salvage from stolen ships is "retarded" or at least defies the principle of having salavage in the first place; ie, to permit players who loose their fleet or ships from their fleet to partially rebuild using resources from salvage, the simple fact is that the game will be creating something from nothing as those ships still exist (lo Tac, been a while!! ). Essentially, if you're looking for a more "fair" system, some amount of "stolen" ships being destroyed rather than stolen (thus generating salave) in addition to the present system of loosing stealers after xy value (or armour, etc) stolen could be an alternative. Or, devise something out of the box that is more fair, assuming that you can avoid the "something from nothing" problem, and generating salvage for those whose fleets have been stolen and are left with nothing, then i think it will definately get some serious consideration.



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The difference, however, is that the ships have not been lost from the game. If the game gives salvage for ships that simply trade hands then it's essentially creating something out of nothing and opens a window for abuse. You don't want to create a situation where allies could steal ships from each other and gain salvage in the process (specifically, more salvage than their losses).
Fair point of course. However, such an exploit is already covered by numerous laws on cheating. And it already exists within the game at the moment anyway - a defending zik will get salvage for his 'killed' ships at 30% plus his 'stolen' ships at a value of 100% therefore making 130% when defending a planet. Is this not also creating something out of nothing?
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And it already exists within the game at the moment anyway - a defending zik will get salvage for his 'killed' ships at 30% plus his 'stolen' ships at a value of 100% therefore making 130% when defending a planet. Is this not also creating something out of nothing?
No.
That's like saying "When I kill ships for 0 losses and gain salvage I'm creating resources".
The attacking ships die. Total universe resources decrease.

I assume that some of the posters want some sort of custom hack where you're a defender and you get ships stolen to get salvage from them.
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