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Re: R57 gossip thread
Allready, looking at the losses so far, its obvious that for BF, RESITANCE IS FUTILE
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by ManiacMagic
Spore has been proven to be more than just a friend, and more than honorable, so why question what they do?
Ult have 2 support tags literal support tags, any you are whiing about an alliance sticking to their word / bond?
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Cute, but try harder even kaiba and butcher can troll better than that
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Cute, but try harder even kaiba and butcher can troll better than that
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Seing that Heroes declined FAnGS purposal for NAP this round, i find what MM is claiming very likely.
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7 Jul 2014, 15:37
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Seing that Heroes declined FAnGS purposal for NAP this round, i find what MM is claiming very likely.
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Since we are talking about defence sharing here.. HEROES does not defend Ultores and they never have been defending Ultores.
About HEROES helping Ultores on attacks, yes this is true and why wouldnt Ult work together with a tag that will never betray them.
If you aim that HEROES is just a part of Ult, you are clearly mistaken. HEROES was around before Ult returned and still have about the same people playing in it.
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7 Jul 2014, 15:42
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Wouter
Since we are talking about defence sharing here.. HEROES does not defend Ultores and they never have been defending Ultores.
About HEROES helping Ultores on attacks, yes this is true and why wouldnt Ult work together with a tag that will never betray them.
If you aim that HEROES is just a part of Ult, you are clearly mistaken. HEROES was around before Ult returned and still have about the same people playing in it.
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Well then MM would be correct in his claim that HEROES is a tag that supports Ult and would never betray them?
Supporting Ult no matter what
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7 Jul 2014, 15:48
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
Well then MM would be correct in his claim that HEROES is a tag that supports Ult and would never betray them?
Supporting Ult no matter what
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We are talking about defence sharing so in that aspect they are not.
That we have a trustworty ally in HEROES is no secret nor has it ever been one. Is its Ult or HEROES fault other alliances cant trust eachother?
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7 Jul 2014, 16:11
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Wouter
We are talking about defence sharing so in that aspect they are not.
That we have a trustworty ally in HEROES is no secret nor has it ever been one. Is its Ult or HEROES fault other alliances cant trust eachother?
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I dont think thats what MM was aiming for.
HEROES supporting Ult no matter what does indeed make Ult into a 90 man tag when all support tags included.
I think its about time PA crew realise this and increase tag limits
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7 Jul 2014, 16:12
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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I dont think thats what MM was aiming for.
HEROES supporting Ult no matter what does indeed make Ult into a 90 man tag when all support tags included.
I think its about time PA crew realise this and increase tag limits
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heroes would still exist as a seperate alliance if the tag sizes were increased. so your argument is invalid
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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I dont think thats what MM was aiming for.
HEROES supporting Ult no matter what does indeed make Ult into a 90 man tag when all support tags included.
I think its about time PA crew realise this and increase tag limits
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Thats like saying cause 2 full tags nap for a round, the round after the tagsize should be increased to 120.. good logic there
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7 Jul 2014, 16:16
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Seing that Heroes declined FAnGS purposal for NAP this round, i find what MM is claiming very likely.
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If your referring to the unsolicited nap request from summer fang that we declined, we prefer some sort of dialogue before we jump into bed
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7 Jul 2014, 16:19
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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heroes would still exist as a seperate alliance if the tag sizes were increased. so your argument is invalid
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No its not.
Allies that does not NAP/BLOCK/ALLIE dont stand a chance.
Viks/Spore ruined last round cus of these deals, "allied no matter what".
Look at r51, the same, "allied no mattet what", TGV and App crushed everyone cus of this deal.
Not saying it can be compared to Heroes/Ult this round.
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7 Jul 2014, 16:20
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Thats like saying cause 2 full tags nap for a round, the round after the tagsize should be increased to 120.. good logic there
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Who said that?
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7 Jul 2014, 16:26
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Send FR/DE to attack Ults to land, force recalls.
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That could be one outcome.
Another could be crash on attack, and get the remaining fleet fc'ed.
Feel free to pick the most likely
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by BloodyButcher
No its not.
Allies that does not NAP/BLOCK/ALLIE dont stand a chance.
Viks/Spore ruined last round cus of these deals, "allied no matter what".
Look at r51, the same, "allied no mattet what", TGV and App crushed everyone cus of this deal.
Not saying it can be compared to Heroes/Ult this round.
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Then why use the Ultores / heroes nap as your example?
Heroes has been playing as a separate tag in one form or another since Ascendancy stopped playing back in the late 30's
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7 Jul 2014, 16:32
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by gzambo
Then why use the Ultores / heroes nap as your example?
Heroes has been playing as a separate tag in one form or another since Ascendancy stopped playing back in the late 30's
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Its more than a normal NAP wouter claimed, heroes are supporting ult no matter what.
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7 Jul 2014, 16:32
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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No its not.
Allies that does not NAP/BLOCK/ALLIE dont stand a chance.
Viks/Spore ruined last round cus of these deals, "allied no matter what".
Look at r51, the same, "allied no mattet what", TGV and App crushed everyone cus of this deal.
Not saying it can be compared to Heroes/Ult this round.
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vikings spore were two full tags of active players
ultores heroes are one full tag and one 1/3 tag
the fellas in heroes would not want to play in ultores and live under our rules
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7 Jul 2014, 16:47
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Its more than a normal NAP wouter claimed, heroes are supporting ult no matter what.
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He said it was not a shared defence nap and was based on trust, so if your definition of a normal nap is two allys who don't trust each otherand share defence then yes the nap between us and ult is more than a normal nap
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7 Jul 2014, 16:52
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
vikings spore were two full tags of active players
ultores heroes are one full tag and one 1/3 tag
the fellas in heroes would not want to play in ultores and live under our rules
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Exactly.
Two full tags with active players would be far more destructive.
These deals with no open ends are ruining PA, like Spore/Viks last round.
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7 Jul 2014, 16:54
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by gzambo
He said it was not a shared defence nap and was based on trust, so if your definition of a normal nap is two allys who don't trust each otherand share defence then yes the nap between us and ult is more than a normal nap
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I dont think its anyone claimkng that ult/heroes are sharing def.
How ever as far as i understood it, you are working together in attack?
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7 Jul 2014, 16:55
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Re: R57 gossip thread
it was only a bad deal because vikings have never ever had the drive to go for 1st. they only play for gal and planet wins
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7 Jul 2014, 16:56
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Its more than a normal NAP wouter claimed, heroes are supporting ult no matter what.
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HEROES has 10 players that attack daily, 0 that defend daily.
So comparing the agreement HEROES and Ultores have to allies that can both win allyrank is wrong.
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7 Jul 2014, 17:02
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Wouter
HEROES has 10 players that attack daily, 0 that defend daily.
So comparing the agreement HEROES and Ultores have to allies that can both win allyrank is wrong.
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Whaat? Who is comparing it to that?
Ult/heroes are effectively a 85 man tag offensively
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7 Jul 2014, 17:04
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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it was only a bad deal because vikings have never ever had the drive to go for 1st. they only play for gal and planet wins
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Its bad no matter what.
Round long NAP is a crime to PA
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7 Jul 2014, 17:05
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Whaat? Who is comparing it to that?
Ult/heroes are effectively a 85 man tag offensively
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as were ct/bf/faceless (180 man tag) earlier in the round
and p3ng/faceless/ult/heroes (210ish) now vs bf
what's your point?
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Its bad no matter what.
Round long NAP is a crime to PA
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i dont have anything against round naps, as long as it isn't 1st and 2nd napping with no intention of breaking it as one is happy to settle for 2nd
napping the 10th ranked alliance doesn't have the same impact
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7 Jul 2014, 17:07
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
as were ct/bf/faceless (180 man tag) earlier in the round
and p3ng/faceless/ult/heroes (210ish) now vs bf
what's your point?
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Attacking together no matter what????
Didnt the BF/WHATEVAH group split up?
Heroes are ult supporters no matter what wouter said.
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7 Jul 2014, 17:09
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
i dont have anything against round naps, as long as it isn't 1st and 2nd napping with no intention of breaking it as one is happy to settle for 2nd
napping the 10th ranked alliance doesn't have the same impact
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Round long is round long, no open ends.
The idea with these deals is to kill off everyone else
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7 Jul 2014, 17:11
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Re: R57 gossip thread
yeah because they haven't back stabbed or given us a reason to hit them perhaps like the other alliances have? loyalty is a very rare thing in PA these days. other alliances could have this bond buy are too busy plotting devious ways to smurf over their allies first chance they get
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7 Jul 2014, 17:12
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Round long is round long, no open ends.
The idea with these deals is to kill off everyone else
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my point is the round nap with HEROES has no impact on the state of play
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7 Jul 2014, 17:26
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Blue_Esper
yeah because they haven't back stabbed or given us a reason to hit them perhaps like the other alliances have? loyalty is a very rare thing in PA these days. other alliances could have this bond buy are too busy plotting devious ways to smurf over their allies first chance they get
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Yeah, TGV were TRUE heroes giving App the win R51, not "betraying" their round long deal.
Come on man, loyalty is something you got to your own alliance, not someone elses.
Honouring a deal is one thing, but its a fine line being game ruiners (Viks/Spore last rnd) and being loyal to a deal.
If you agree to not break up _NO MATTER WHAT_ you are as bad sometimes.
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7 Jul 2014, 17:30
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Re: R57 gossip thread
Most politics in PA is driven by ambition (to be top, have top planet, or gal) or by fear that ally x will clobber you (or assist others in clobbering you).
Because HEROES has no ambition, and Ult has nothing to fear from HEROES regardless of their NAP being agreed as round long it would be so stable as to be effectively round long even if there was no agreement.
The problem with round long NAPs is surely where they take the natural state of competition and distort it. NAPs between a top ranked alliance and a pretty low ranked alliance only distorts things marginally because they are basically not in competition.
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
Most politics in PA is driven by ambition (to be top, have top planet, or gal) or by fear that ally x will clobber you (or assist others in clobbering you).
Because HEROES has no ambition, and Ult has nothing to fear from HEROES regardless of their NAP being agreed as round long it would be so stable as to be effectively round long even if there was no agreement.
The problem with round long NAPs is surely where they take the natural state of competition and distort it. NAPs between a top ranked alliance and a pretty low ranked alliance only distorts things marginally because they are basically not in competition.
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We do have ambition though,
Our ambition is to sleep every night, so far so good
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Re: R57 gossip thread
I think butcher in general just want to dicuss everything into complete boredom! Someone bring this man a pen pal, it would be a life long committment.
You have said your opinion, not everything is so interesting you need to answer 15 times with pretty much the same answer all times butcher.. Make some new thread about something funny instead
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7 Jul 2014, 19:52
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Did you only speak to the other HC's in Spore? LOL
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No, pretty much every alliance had a representative speak to me at the end of last round.
Nice try Kaiba.
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by TheoDD
So the deal between BF and spore is as following; Zhil made spore BF's bitch, at the safety of certain planets and gals?
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This is incorrect.
For the record, Spore sent hardly any fleets to defend BlackFlag on Saturday night. We sent some fleets afaik to help out 3:10 (my own galaxy) and a galaxy I have vested interest in, as I have informed Ultores about to my intentions for Spore.
It is hardly 60 fleets as someone here claimed. It wasn't even 10 fleets. Most of the Spore defence fleets came from IN GALAXY. I don't have logs of other Spore who may have sent but it couldn't have been more than five max. When I checked in the morning for an Ultores enquiry, I couldnt even see any Spore defence fleets on my fleets page to BF that weren't ingal.
The Spore deal with BlackFlag includes the possibility of cross-defence, but it is not a requirement of our deal.
I fail to see where any of this makes me BF's bitch. I find the entire thought of that rather amusing, considering.
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Well then MM would be correct in his claim that HEROES is a tag that supports Ult and would never betray them?
Supporting Ult no matter what
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I'd like to point out that Heroes have been working with other alliances for attacks for quite a while. Previously to Ult it was Apprime.
I'll state that during this time when they worked with Apprime, they were not supporting them no matter what. They didnt want to hit Spore, and so didn't even when Apprime requested they do.
The times they have hit Spore have been in retaliation for us or to have a laugh. One particular time they were happy with our defences and congratulated us and said due to it they would stop hitting us from then on.
Heroes have their own individuality and those who lump them as Ult supporters I despair for. With that attitude, they most certainly will be.
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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I'd like to point out that Heroes have been working with other alliances for attacks for quite a while. Previously to Ult it was Apprime.
I'll state that during this time when they worked with Apprime, they were not supporting them no matter what. They didnt want to hit Spore, and so didn't even when Apprime requested they do.
The times they have hit Spore have been in retaliation for us or to have a laugh. One particular time they were happy with our defences and congratulated us and said due to it they would stop hitting us from then on.
Heroes have their own individuality and those who lump them as Ult supporters I despair for. With that attitude, they most certainly will be.
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Im not discussing what ever theyve done else "since r30"
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Re: R57 gossip thread
HEROES doesn't backstab(at least thet's what i read from "not betraying"). So they're comitting to whatever deal they have with ult this round. You prefer allies to backstab instead of sticking to their word, or?
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
HEROES doesn't backstab(at least thet's what i read from "not betraying"). So they're comitting to whatever deal they have with ult this round. You prefer allies to backstab instead of sticking to their word, or?
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Looking at Spore/Viks last round and TGV/App r51, backstab everytime.
MM pointed out that Ult literaly had two support tags, and i said that could be the truth, Wouter confirmed this.
I said that deals with no openings can be realy bad, pointing at Viks/TGV history.
What are we realy discussing?
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by knight
Every round seems the same now, 3 or 4 of the top 5 just block vs Ult consistently until some point the dribblers realise that 1 ally has benifit from it all too much and gained too much of a lead to bring back down. (last round spore this round faceless?)
I just hope 1 day there can be a round where there is at least a slight element of a fair or evenly matched 'war'. For example this round it would be Black Flag and Faceless vs Ult, that would at least be fair. Although who am i kidding, PA is no place for fair or non-one sided wars haha.
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Thank you for this insightful meditation on the concept of fairness Knight. I also find the rampant unfairness in this game to be a blighting scourge. I daren't mention this game to but a soul in the real world for fear of having to justify affiliation with the rampant injustices that spew forth from its belly every night. - infact! - Just now, I hear that even our leading lights, The Knights of Ultores, no less, have been repeatedly smashing the lowly, undefended slums of the universe this round in order to satiate their indefatigable desire for ever more fairness/asteroids. A sorry sight indeed. Let us hope that these undefended outposts don't allow such hard times to corrupt their morals - their commitment to fairness - and perhaps start creating fake accounts in order to cheat their way to victory. Such short sighted grabs for unearned help would all but end any hopes that they, too, could one day join the Knights of Ultores and defend the universe from unfairness.
But anyway. As a fellow crusader against all that is unfair, Knight, I hope you will very much enjoy my studied thoughts on your meditation. After toying with a few things here and there, I believe I have stumbled upon an entirely new dynamic in this fairness equation:
In order for 1 v 1 wars to be the "fair" option, we may have to........
create.............
EVENLY MATCHED TEAMS!
Of course this comes up against a few problems; namely we'd have to break up your faggy clique.
This obviously won't be happening, because being in the clique is more important to you than creating fair teams. So perhaps, instead of whining, you can just shut the **** up!
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7 Jul 2014, 22:58
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Kaiba
There is a vast difference and experienced.
Ultores are able to play the game less actively to a higher standard because of their experience.
Everyone is just jealous that they can do what they cant, so they bash them.
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Do you actually realise just how humiliatingly slovenly you look when you make these posts? You publicly inform us all that you can't beg yourself into their alliance and then just.... keep going.
Could it possibly be the case that alliances hit ult because if they don't, ult will easily win? NO, NO IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE JEALOUS THAT THEY CAN NOT PLAY THE GAME PLANETARION TO A SUFFICIENTLY HIGH LEVEL. Yeah, that's definitely it buddy. That is 100% the most parsimonious answer, to which you undoubtedly came to the conclusion of whilst reading all the other alliances' private channels that you aren't allowed inside of because of how your consistently good judgement of other people led to them all unanimously banning you from playing with them you ****ing clown.
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Originally Posted by kaiba
Someone said about their drive to play anymore, i would imagine that there was drive at the start, and that continued when they were going after Ascendancys (i think it was them) wins in row record. Once they passed that and looked around and saw no true challengers that is where the apathy set in and why they dwindled in the following 6 odd rounds. Well that and the fact everyone decided they needed to form a 6 tag bash squad on them every round regardless of how active or near the challenging positions they were
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"i would imagine...." Yes well thank you for informing us of the most positive possible llight you thought you could frame ultores' descent, but is this explanation actually meant to mean something?
Ultores' defining charateristic - rather than being an island of mathematical genius and part time surrogate of your inability to masturbate to pornography - is that they are willing to interrupt their lives more than anyone else in order to play it. Saying that the game became less compelling for them to do so isn't any more an excuse than it is for hr to inform us that the reason they haven't won any rounds is because their members have been waylaid by a chronic interest in consistent sleep patterns.
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7 Jul 2014, 23:40
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by oil
Thank you for this insightful meditation on the concept of fairness Knight. I also find the rampant unfairness in this game to be a blighting scourge. I daren't mention this game to but a soul in the real world for fear of having to justify affiliation with the rampant injustices that spew forth from its belly every night. - infact! - Just now, I hear that even our leading lights, The Knights of Ultores, no less, have been repeatedly smashing the lowly, undefended slums of the universe this round in order to satiate their indefatigable desire for ever more fairness/asteroids. A sorry sight indeed. Let us hope that these undefended outposts don't allow such hard times to corrupt their morals - their commitment to fairness - and perhaps start creating fake accounts in order to cheat their way to victory. Such short sighted grabs for unearned help would all but end any hopes that they, too, could one day join the Knights of Ultores and defend the universe from unfairness.
But anyway. As a fellow crusader against all that is unfair, Knight, I hope you will very much enjoy my studied thoughts on your meditation. After toying with a few things here and there, I believe I have stumbled upon an entirely new dynamic in this fairness equation:
In order for 1 v 1 wars to be the "fair" option, we may have to........
create.............
EVENLY MATCHED TEAMS!
Of course this comes up against a few problems; namely we'd have to break up your faggy clique.
This obviously won't be happening, because being in the clique is more important to you than creating fair teams. So perhaps, instead of whining, you can just shut the **** up!
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For the record, when Knight said dribblers.. He meant people like you too stupid to realise whats going on.
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7 Jul 2014, 23:50
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Re: R57 gossip thread
Well keep us all up to speed with what you know then wouter. All I know so far is that you have so far produced the best post of the round:
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Originally Posted by Wouter
We are talking about defence sharing so in that aspect they are not.
That we have a trustworty ally in HEROES is no secret nor has it ever been one. Is its Ult or HEROES fault other alliances cant trust eachother?
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7 Jul 2014, 23:50
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by oil
Do you actually realise just how humiliatingly slovenly you look when you make these posts? You publicly inform us all that you can't beg yourself into their alliance and then just.... keep going.
Could it possibly be the case that alliances hit ult because if they don't, ult will easily win? NO, NO IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE JEALOUS THAT THEY CAN NOT PLAY THE GAME PLANETARION TO A SUFFICIENTLY HIGH LEVEL. Yeah, that's definitely it buddy. That is 100% the most parsimonious answer, to which you undoubtedly came to the conclusion of whilst reading all the other alliances' private channels that you aren't allowed inside of because of how your consistently good judgement of other people led to them all unanimously banning you from playing with them you ****ing clown.
"i would imagine...." Yes well thank you for informing us of the most positive possible llight you thought you could frame ultores' descent, but is this explanation actually meant to mean something?
Ultores' defining charateristic - rather than being an island of mathematical genius and part time surrogate of your inability to masturbate to pornography - is that they are willing to interrupt their lives more than anyone else in order to play it. Saying that the game became less compelling for them to do so isn't any more an excuse than it is for hr to inform us that the reason they haven't won any rounds is because their members have been waylaid by a chronic interest in consistent sleep patterns.
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In thought you would post some crap tonight. Bitter cos your planet went bang?? MUG!
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7 Jul 2014, 23:56
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Kaiba
In thought you would post some crap tonight. Bitter cos your planet went bang?? MUG!
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I was going to wait for you to post this. Both those posts were waiting on my browser for a few days because i hadn't had time to read through the whole thread. The fact I humiliate you in nearly every thread you post in means this probably won't come as much of a surprise to you.
By the way, why did you pretend you didn't know it was me you killed your entire fleet into today?
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8 Jul 2014, 00:00
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by oil
Well keep us all up to speed with what you know then wouter. All I know so far is that you have so far produced the best post of the round:
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Why bother, its not your fault you cant keep up. I refer again to Knight calling people like you dribblers. Having come into this world and having an IQ thats below 70 must be hard, so I will not try to hurt your feelings anymore then I already have. I truely hope you get good compensations from your goverment.
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8 Jul 2014, 00:02
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Re: R57 gossip thread
rofl.
kaiba, you folding too?
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8 Jul 2014, 00:05
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Cain
Maybe this is a good moment to: IMPLEMENT THE OTHER SCORE SYSTEM FOR ALLIANCES. Score and value is fine for individual planet ranks or galaxy ranking. Alliance ranks however should not be measured by score, it should be measured by fleet activity, stealing roids, killing ships etc.
This way being active aliancewise is actually rewarding! You can still gangbang an alliance yes, but you actually have to be more active to beat them on the ally ranks. Everyone is happy this way, the crapper alliances gang still gangrape to ensure Ult doesnt get to much value compared to them, Ult stays happy because they can fend off these incs the best they can and retal fatties to gain more points.
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Yes, if only there was a formula that could literally guarantee ult winning every round instead of just making it highly likely. What a fantastic idea Cain, can we get someone in pa team to take a look at this please? Thank you, thank you cain. Thank you.
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Seriously?
Def performance is praised?
This was the first time BF had any inc (above avarage) this round. You still have members that are motivated because all they had to do until now was roiding alliance who barely fought back because they had incs of 2-3 other alliances at that same time. Besides that you had fk all to do, that it's a Saturday barely matter either since attacks are much lighter as well.
Afaik, you even had a notification you would get hit cause of the cool-down period with Ult. There was 24h to 'prepare' for incommings. What i am interested in to see is how you perform after let's say.... 3 days?
Members will start whining now when they start to loose roids for the first time, when they won't be getting def cause some defsinks steal it all. Only after being put under some pressure you can tell how good your alliance actually is.
If the roidlosses are not increasing in the coming days then sure BF is decent. If not.. well to bad that we have another semi average alliance. Brings tears to my eyes.
PR out, peace
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Yeah but to be fair though you might have a big of a skewed idea of how difficult it can be to defend against lots of inc like that because you use VNC to log into planets that aren't run by individual people.
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8 Jul 2014, 00:09
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Re: R57 gossip thread
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Originally Posted by Willzzz
Think we are still awaiting to see why ND doesn't like p3nguins and felt the need to join in with you in hitting them when they were napped to them. ND cant exactly claim p3nguins hung them out to try, been napped to them for half the round
And as far as Spore were concerned they had an advantage to hit p3nguins, they are going for top planet & gal
I don't see why p3nguins HC made stupid choices though to be fair. They made the round more exciting by challenging Ultores, which they did loose, while you on the other hand from what I hear decided to avoid them till a block decided to hit them.
I think its been said a few times already but there is no skill in napping the universe for first. So although p3nguins are at the moment 5th and have had people emo id say they brought more excitement and entertainment to this round then you did and yet still have a shot for getting top planet
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As enrapturing as you may personally have found managing to slowly lose to ult for a few days when everyone still had comparable fleets, I suspect the more impartial observer would probably consider a successful block managing to challenge ult to be a rather more weighty storyline. If everyone had lined up to try and take on ult one at a time then I think we can safely say that you'd be on your own in describing the outcome as "entertaining and exciting".
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Originally Posted by Assassin
No difference. You gal raid someone and become their most hostile and they hit you back. Its called playing PA.. I know you guys don't like been hit but get a grip. The fact your using this as your excuse to coordinate with 2 other allies to hit us when your in a much better position much later in the round is also quite pathetic.
With regards to clouds post about you shouldn't hold grudges or take previous rounds politics into another round, I think I can make an exception to this next round
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Why, when we were already hitting you (and getting hit by you) and finding ourselves near the top with our main competition (fl/ult) stalling each others growth, would we decide to stop hitting an alliance that 1: has an open policy of revenge and likely to hit us with whoever we switch our sights to for roid growth, and 2: has managed to engage in such stellar politics that it's found itself with no friends and two other alliances willing to gang up on it.
Perhaps to someone who thinks solo'ing the universe and warring a much superior alliance on their own when it didn't matter as being some kind of totemic achievement this could sound like a good idea but it actually isn't. The mistake we made this round, as far as i can tell, is in overreacting to faceless' threats and refusing to join them in hitting ult. That's pretty much it. From what I remember early on in the round we seemed to be about the fourth strongest alliance (albeit not far behind yourselves and fl) and I'd say it's probably almost solely down to how the politics played out that we were sitting in first place at 800 ticks, vulnerable to making that (perhaps) crucial mistake to begin with.
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8 Jul 2014, 00:33
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Re: R57 gossip thread
Sounds like Oil and BF is realy cracking up. What a suprise.
The round is not over, yet you make it sound like it
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