Planetarion Forums - Tour the doping

Red- · 27 Jul 2007, 18:19

Boomarkers in UK and Italy just closed betting on Soler as winner of the mountain jersey in paris.

Looks like it could be him then (darn i was hoping contador :P)

Ste · 27 Jul 2007, 18:39

If anyone is interested, there's a betting insiders view on it (and football):
http://footballisfixed.blogspot.com/...ide-clean.html

midge5 · 27 Jul 2007, 19:01

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Originally Posted by horn

what's going to be more interesting is when superior synthetic limbs start finding themselves attached to competant athletes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/6900445.stm

Makhil · 27 Jul 2007, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Red-

Rasmussen today still claims to have been in mexico for the entire time saying that the italien commentator didnt see him cause he wasnt in italy.
Rasmussen kicked arse in this years tour - I hope he can clear his name and show the hippocracy.

Easy, he just has to show his passport.

Makhil · 27 Jul 2007, 22:39

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Originally Posted by Red-

Boomarkers in UK and Italy just closed betting on Soler as winner of the mountain jersey in paris.

Looks like it could be him then (darn i was hoping contador :P)

It's probably because there is no more mountain until Paris and the only way he could lose his ranking is by falling off his bike and breaking a couple of bones.

qebab · 27 Jul 2007, 23:24

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Originally Posted by Tietäjä

Dude. You can do acids and you're clean in a few days. Do cannabis, and you're hot for weeks.

Was the Rasmussen dude in Mexico now or not, and if he was shouldn't it be rather easy to prove?

As others have mentioned already, there's the whole passpord thing.

Knight Theamion · 28 Jul 2007, 02:00

I've been following this Tour quite closely except the last 2 days, but what I just realize that if he didn't go to Mexico, but was spotted in Italy then something is not entirely right, he got spotted in the area he lives in. So there is something not entirely correct.

But he breached the code of conduct, which is a reason for dismissal, but something is fishy about this.

One way or the other, I love the way the Rabobank defended their Yellow Jersey, the way Menchov, Boogert and Thomas Dekker (especially Thomas Dekker, 22 years old) completely trashed the others is the material that dreams are made of.

Achilles · 30 Jul 2007, 01:20

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and if rasmussen was doped some insane tricky way they cant test yet, you can bet so has contador.

Quoted the above as an example. Why do many of you believe that not getting caught is hard? The reality is that they can't even test for straight blood doping 2 minutes after it happens. No to mention that there have been various substances analogous to HGH showing up in laboratories around the world for years. For genuine research purposes in most cases to be sure but if it can be done in one lab it can done in another. None of these substances have tests for them yet either. Even the EPO test they have is shit and that stuff if from the 90's.

Tietäjä · 30 Jul 2007, 05:13

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Originally Posted by Achilles

Even the EPO test they have is shit and that stuff if from the 90's.

Who was it who was on about their tests being superior to other sports' tests? (I think Kargool provided us with an EPO link at least).

Achilles · 30 Jul 2007, 14:40

Kargool's link was out of date. The EPO test has now been shown to give false positives. There was a notable case in 2005 in which a conviction was overturned in Belgium because it was shown that the test is unreliable. In the case of Vinokourov, he was probably caught because he cheated too often. Pure blood doping (introduction of additional red blood cells by transfusion) is undetectable if you use your own blood. However it is only practical to harvest so much of your own blood pre tournament without risking anaemia. It is also tricky to store safely for extended periods. Good old Vino may well have run out of the good stuff and decided to risk using blood from a donor, which is stupid as they developed a test for that pre 2000.

edit: As an aside, he must have had technical help. The medical equipment required to process raw blood into concentrated red blood cells is complicated, expensive and large.

Knight Theamion · 30 Jul 2007, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Achilles

Kargool's link was out of date. The EPO test has now been shown to give false positives. There was a notable case in 2005 in which a conviction was overturned in Belgium because it was shown that the test is unreliable. In the case of Vinokourov, he was probably caught because he cheated too often. Pure blood doping (introduction of additional red blood cells by transfusion) is undetectable if you use your own blood. However it is only practical to harvest so much of your own blood pre tournament without risking anaemia. It is also tricky to store safely for extended periods. Good old Vino may well have run out of the good stuff and decided to risk using blood from a donor, which is stupid as they developed a test for that pre 2000.

edit: As an aside, he must have had technical help. The medical equipment required to process raw blood into concentrated red blood cells is complicated, expensive and large.

blood doping, that is training at high altitudes, tapping it off and inserting it pre-stage is illegal because it can be harmful, that is why it is illega. Officially ...