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Unread 16 Nov 2006, 06:05   #51
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I had no idea who John Howard was and I struggle to think of a situation where I would conceivably [need to know?] about who was Prime Minister of Australia (it could come up in a pub quiz I suppose)
There's not much of a benefit to knowing a bunch of stuff, my point is that it seeps into your brain if you watch enough TV news and things like that. I'm not particularly proud of knowing a whole bunch of business related trivia, but if you read the finances pages most mornings for ten years you pick up a thing or two.

My point was that I'd expect someone who read a quality newspaper and/or watched BBC News (or perhaps more importantly Newsnight) most days to know who the PM of Australia was. Not because it's important (it's not) but because he's been around for a decade and the Briitsh media is (understandably) biased towards English-speaking countries.

I'm not overly surprised you don't know though as your intellectual interests are deliberately not "normal" (this is not a criticism) and I don't take you to be a regular news viewer either.
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Unread 16 Nov 2006, 06:27   #52
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Australia seems to be one of the better run countries in the world today. Sov may disagree (or agree strongly, you cant really judge your own country very easierly from inside it so you normally end up with rose tinted glasses or being very pessamistic) but they seem to be a government where bureacuracy doesnt get in the way as much as it does in alot of others and allows them to make difficult but important decisions.
Well, its a bit of both really. Living in Western Australia, i am kind of an outsider within australia - we watch (with some suspicion) all the going ons "over east" (ie, anything east of the state border), and have a bit of a laugh at how seriously they take "national" issues. An example, at a COAG meeting, the PM called all the State Premiers to agree to a national water policy which was effectively to "solve" the whole Murray-Darling river basin and who has the water rights (to those who dotn know, this river starts in NSW, flows a bit through Victoria and ends in South Australia, so three states need the same laws and which farmers are allowed what water and so on). Anyway, the agreement didnt even mention Western Australia whose capital, Perth, is on a steeply falling rainfall trend for the last 30 years (and much of Perth's water is from dams, which obviously take water to refill), and so it was totally useless.

Pretty much, this sort of stuff happens all the time, so we are kinda bemused by the whole "eastern staters" and their insular ways.

Anyway, back to the point, i see alot of stupidity (like the above) going on in Australian governments (Federal, State, Local), however having been to other countries and hearing stories from elsewhere, it more or less pales in comparison. This could be due to rose tinted glasses or not, but i do think we do have it much better than most.

As for the PM being cited overseas, seriously he's been around for 10 (going on 11) years - how hard is it really to even consider that?
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Unread 16 Nov 2006, 10:32   #53
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The British have a particularly bad reputation for knowing anything about other countries,
Really?

I know the president of the major European countries, I think that's reasonable.
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Unread 16 Nov 2006, 12:37   #54
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However to say you havent heard any news that doesnt involved austrlian politics suprises me a little. Seeing as the whole immagration issue has been a hot topic for the last year or so and the Australian immagration policy is constantly held up as the kind of system we should have.
I pity anyone who sees Australia's Immigration policy as a good example. Heck the current policy actually excludes parts of Australia as being in Australia for migration purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_migration_zone
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1425387.htm

Some of the islands mentioned are well within Australian Territorial Waters, in fact some, such as Magnetic Island are clearly visible from the mainland, and are less than 30 minutes away by boat.
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Really?

I know the president of the major European countries, I think that's reasonable.

germany, france, italy? i named the first two the third one is some speccy commie i can't remember.

What about the netherlands? i have no idea whos doing what, or spain, greece, poland which aren't exactly insignificant.
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I think it's simply a case of people not bothering to remember things they don't need to know.

There's the obvious case of people in the street being asked who the Prime Minister was, and who Barbara Windsor played in Eastenders. More got the Eastenders question right (Peggy Mitchell!) than the PM one. That's mainly because they "need" to know her name, as they watch the soap and so would therefore be confused without it. They don't "need" to know the PM's name as firstly they'll be told he's the PM on TV when he features, and secondly they probably don't watch or care about current affairs.

I have a brilliant memory when it comes to remembering trivial stuff people tell me, such as their past or friends they know. It's scary sometimes, when I remember things years later and can bring it up. It's ace for smalltalk ("hey, how's your grandad doing now?" or "you still having trouble with that girl at work?" or "ohhh yeah this is John - isn't he the guy you met while in France?" etc) but it means I often forget things which I should remember like dates or - like in this example - world leader's names.
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germany, france, italy? i named the first two the third one is some speccy commie i can't remember.

What about the netherlands? i have no idea whos doing what, or spain, greece, poland which aren't exactly insignificant.
Spain is zapatero the socialist guy (although I did have to google the spelling of his name) He's pretty good - solved the Eta problem allowed gay marriage etc etc.

Italy is Prodi, who is significantly more left wing than burlusconi (everyone remembers him yeh?) but hasn't done much yet.

Oh and there's always Putin, if Russia counts as Europe.

So if you'd asked me to name as many European presidents as I could I'd have got Russia, UK, Ireland, Germany, Spain, Italy and France.

I don't think that's too bad. I also remember a bit about the politics going on in Hungary, Belarus, Holland, Austria and Denmark based on what I've read in the papers or seen on the news.
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if they really thought this, then why wouldn't they vote for one of the other parties as i mentioned earlier i.e. the green party or the lib dems etc
Becuase overall those parties didn't have a chance of having enough MPs to form a government. The greens only contested 30% of the seats available for instance. And the Lib Dems aren't much better than the Labour Party, imho.
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sure, but assuming he's a shit politician who indulges most of the fundamental lies that bush does, is there really any difference?
Yeah, although they're both the enemies of humanity. Kerry would have probably had a mildly less aggressive foriegn policy, less oil-dominated energy policy, better environmental policy. They're mild differences but as I say they're in the right direction (well, from the point of view of an American voter).
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I pity anyone who sees Australia's Immigration policy as a good example. Heck the current policy actually excludes parts of Australia as being in Australia for migration purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_migration_zone
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1425387.htm

Some of the islands mentioned are well within Australian Territorial Waters, in fact some, such as Magnetic Island are clearly visible from the mainland, and are less than 30 minutes away by boat.
Perhaps the point was not made clear; Australia's Immigration policy is effective at detering people to make the rather long and quite hazardous journey with notorius ruffians (ie, people smugglers) in questionable craft to Australia. The less people try, the more time Customs and the Navy can spend trying to catch those massive poaching operations going on in the North. For some reason, Australia and Australians seem always to be portrayed as racists or people who dont care about freedoms or liberty people but i would put to you that this is far from the case.

Clearly, the issue is one of fairness - Whilst i wont say all Australians, i will say that many Australians see these "asylum seekers" who arrive in Australia via boats as que jumpers - these people take the place of those who apply to Australia's somewhat generous foreign immigration programme legitimately; people who take the time to bring their documents, to plan ahead and be co-operative, people who are willing to start a new life in Australia and do the other things without breaking laws or being antagonistic or whatever. I dont see why these "asylum seekers" cant apply through these programmes just like everyone else as if their claims were legitimate, then they'd have absolutely no problems receiving that asylum. As such, there is the perception that these boat people are predisposed to be less legitimate than proper applicants, and thus when they are taking the place of others who are less dogey then they are, it smacks of inequality.

Now, this is my own opinion on the issue plus the feelings and sentiments of those with whom i talk on this issue (granted, it has been some time now as the issue isnt as pressing as it was in say, 1999) however i must acknowledge that i'm a bit right of centre in the political spectrum, however i still maintain that the policy results in more 'fairness' if not exactly 'justice' (and i use that latter term very loosely).
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Calling you a moran due to your lack of understanding of foreign countries and their political system is a waste of time. After all your American and those people who arent 'morans' on these matters (Like alot of the Americans we see on these forums whom are intelligent and thoughtful, that doesnt include you ofc who is the perfect example of an 'Ugly American') are sadly in the minority. The fact your current president is pretty much a trigger happy, war mongouring bible basher who makes jade goody seem like a mastermind champion shows this as he was elected pretty much on his religious beliefs and his name despite how stupid and inept he is.

Australia seems to be one of the better run countries in the world today. Sov may disagree (or agree strongly, you cant really judge your own country very easierly from inside it so you normally end up with rose tinted glasses or being very pessamistic) but they seem to be a government where bureacuracy doesnt get in the way as much as it does in alot of others and allows them to make difficult but important decisions.
My point was that Australia does not make the news much about it's elected officials but even isolated in America I heard much about the laws and enforcement in Australia.

For all you numbskulls out there I am actually trying to get neg rep since in general I share unpopular beliefs (As in the fact there is a GOD!!!). This bit about Australia was just a joke but it's but quite humorous to see the reaction from it. Thanks for laugh everyone and you just might want to remove those corncobs from up your butts. Your all just too anal to enjoy life sometimes.
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Everybody who has ever posted this statement has ended up banned.

It's just a matter of time.
Keep trying Yahwe. My wife is praying I get banned. Then I won't have this excuse to stay up.

Besides it would appear that I give your life purpose. If I was not around who would you lobby against?
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Keep trying Yahwe. My wife is praying I get banned. Then I won't have this excuse to stay up.

Besides it would appear that I give your life purpose. If I was not around who would you lobby against?
Everyone, at some point or another. You're hardly a magic special individual for being criticised by our legal friend.
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You all are under the spell of the vast reaching american media, It doesnt matter who you vote for they all want world domination in the end (both are free-masons)... I voted for neither nor will I vote next election.
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You all are under the spell of the vast reaching american media, It doesnt matter who you vote for they all want world domination in the end (both are free-masons)... I voted for neither nor will I vote next election.
This is the most confused I've been since Tim told me that the geometry was all wrong that day.

You don't appear to have the best understanding of either this forum nor freemasonry. Perhaps you should stay away from "f" words.
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clearly a member

I should clarify a bit...

I was referring to the Bush/Kerry Election.
The rest just do a little research on the web.
or try: infowars.com
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clearly a member

I should clarify a bit...

I was referring to the Bush/Kerry Election.
The rest just do a little research on the web.
or try: infowars.com
On the topic of Bush/Kerry, or indeed Republican/Democrat, I don't think you'll find many lefties on this forum who believe that the democrats are anything other than the lesser of two evils.

On the topic of freemasonry, I am quite aware of many of its aspects (history, symbolism, and the like) and see no reason to believe that people being freemasons or not in any way relates to desires of world domination.
try you'retalkingparanoidbollocks.com

I'm not entirely sure of what the "clearly a member" refers; if it's freemasonry, then as an outspoken atheist I might put forward that I am not really a good candidate for lodge membership.
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On the topic of Bush/Kerry, or indeed Republican/Democrat, I don't think you'll find many lefties on this forum who believe that the democrats are anything other than the lesser of two evils.
To be honest both are backed by big or old money. The real question is do you want oil & gas (Bush) or agricultural and consumer goods (Kerry)? America voted for oil & gas so thats why our country is in the middle east where most of the known oil is.
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To be honest both are backed by big or old money. The real question is do you want oil & gas (Bush) or agricultural and consumer goods (Kerry)? America voted for oil & gas so thats why our country is in the middle east where most of the known oil is.
I was under the impression that the Bush/Kerry election happened after Afghanistan and Iraq (Mk II), not before. So being after, regardless whom was chosen the US would have been in the middle east.

Having said that, there is always incentive for the US to be really isolationist. WHilst many might say right at this time that would be fantastic, i still think some "engagement" in the middle east/rest of the world is important for the US to maintain - however obviously diplomatic/economic engagement is far superior to military engagement in the region.
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