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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:41   #51
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Let's hope he's deleted now too.

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The target planet is closed and under the protection of the creators. Your scan was cancelled!
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HE'S CLOSED!!

weeehaa, i like rabba though
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:46   #57
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Let this be a warning to anyone farming roids/ships.

We may not have the fleets to destroy you, but by God we've got plenty of scans.
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:46   #58
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:47   #59
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Let's hope he's deleted now too.

Well done gents.



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Don't in any way feel the word on this board infulenced my choice
(well slighly heh)

the final factor was 2 people who were gathering evidence and submited it
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Let this be a warning to anyone farming roids/ships.

We may not have the fleets to destroy you, but by God we've got plenty of scans.
And i that was just about to farm my brothers BW's
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:51   #61
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...baah i wanted his easy roids
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:52   #62
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One out, alot more to go.

Keep on deleting em Prince
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vomit's first success this round
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:53   #64
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first success of vomit this round
nothing to do with vomm retard..i see people from all alliances calling for the deletion here, and many neutrals
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nothing to do with vomm retard..i see people from all alliances calling for the deletion here, and many neutrals
sure, but u were initiators of it, and mostly vomits were calling for deletion
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:57   #66
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Well obviously this isnt round 2/3, its about as stable though .

And why should many of the players change, its like covering a road with speed camera's, but the only effect it has is negative.
Quite frankly anyone who breaks the speed limit in a 30 mile an hour zone should not be allowed onto the roads.

Oh and good call closing down the planet in question... hopefully the bottom of this messy situation will be found soon. And well done to the person who had the balls / made the effort to report this. Its with your help that cheaters are found and closed much quicker
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:58   #67
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sure, but u were initiators of it, and mostly vomits were calling for deletion
I am in weet and i already stated before he had to be deleted
Weet HC's (seen a few responses from them in here) also agreed
So that's utter crap ur saying
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 18:59   #68
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The only people who "won" today were the top10 players who play fair and square, and all the legitimate Planetarion players in the universe.

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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:03   #69
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nice... but tbh nothing more then logical:/
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:05   #70
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what not deleted ??

At first i just couldn't believe what i was reading .. a prooved cheeter get some roids and some shippies substracted and that was it ? Seems that things are on the right track now though.

What's been pathetic the replies like saying if i attack a NaR planet with 50 demeters or so i'll prove my target a cheater. I feel sorry for the fair wp players ..
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:07   #71
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sure, but u were initiators of it, and mostly vomits were calling for deletion

The Original Email Was VoM

within Coming on IRC Weet Pmed me

its quite a hoenst thing more than alliance based
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:08   #72
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nothing to do with vomm retard..i see people from all alliances calling for the deletion here, and many neutrals
I forsee a large scale purge in the near future and it's fine by me, delete 'em all: both my side and the other!

Delete all the cheats, no warnings, no slaps on the wrist, no nothing. Although I've been saying that since R7 and Prince knows my coords so I feel moderately safe saying that
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:09   #73
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sure, but u were initiators of it, and mostly vomits were calling for deletion
'u'?

Cicada isn't VOM.
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:09   #74
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I do not blame the alliance as they all have stipulations on cheating. The people cheating are the same ones in past rounds of PA that cheated. The alliance is responsible for kicking these people publically so they can keep and maintain integrity and a sense of honor, else they will be harbors of cheaters.
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so vvoomm didnt have any success this round?
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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:17   #76
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vomit's first success this round

It is a victory for all honest fair playing members of Planetarion.

and in light of you classing that as a victory for vvomm are you saying TOT supports cheating ?
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Isn't it just good enough that some want to invest in more planets??? more planets = more fun or?? LOL

/me remember the good days back in r4 when I started and one of my gal m8s had some 10 multi planets and back in r5 where I was part of a gal which had an amazing farming system.

It was SICK!!!!!

Fortunately I ended up in a fair playing gal in r6 (lo ProtoX and the rest of you n0rty bitches). It was an amazing fair playing gal and I NEVER saw any suspicios things happen on the gal status. Never a fleet out on farming misions or anything else, but getting to know how many other of the top gal worked it makes me sick cause many of them were really playing unfair(not to say cheated since nothing can be proved(or at least I don't want to do it)).

Maybe I have to say here that I let Rev farm me in the end to help him to the top, but back then it wasn't illegal and the only game that was in the game in the end of that round was the farming game.

I know that many of the gals that was above us in that round were cheating, but now to be able to say that we managed to do well without farming or multing or any crap means a whole lot more than that final rank.

Moral is an important thing in this game...at least for me... but nomatter how you put it there will ALWAYS and I really mean ALWAYS be cheaters in this game. All that can be done is to reduce it cause to get rid of it is imposible.

Go scan a lot of planets and you will see that many have some amazing amounts of Vultures and some has some nice amounts of Demeteers. Rabba is by far the only one. Weather Rabba has farmed or not I don't want to discuss and I honostly can't care much less, but all I say here is that its impressive that some can manage to get those crazy amounts of vultures and dems. I'm zik myself but it seems like those vultures and dems doesn't like my place LOL

But as I said cheating is a part of this game for a lot of ppl and also for more than most ppl think.

I don't know a **** about it but to me it also seems strange that a gal like 48:4 or for that sake also 19:7 managed to boost so hard in the beginning. They got amazing roids, but as we get further into the game they can't keep up in roids and actualy begin to lack a little. It just seems a little strange to me, but well... I don't care and I don't know if they have farmed or not... I just know what many ppl has said and they might be true...and they might not...

And for you Cochese, if you think that noone in your alliance is cheating then you are so very wrong... not that I care much about that either...

reporting ppl....hmm yeah maybe that is the right to do, but would you also give out your friends for working illegal or something like that? I wouldn't

I have too much moral and honor to farm and all that F**King crap and too much moral and honor to report other....but we aren't all alike, and btw. just get some more farms....so we can get more roids in the universe...cause then I'll have more targets \o/

Cheating is here to stay....live with it.....or leave the game!!!

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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 19:21   #78
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It is a victory for all honest fair playing members of Planetarion.

and in light of you classing that as a victory for vvomm are you saying TOT supports cheating ?
nope, i just said it cos i didnt see a real success on the battlefield
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nope, i just said it cos i didnt see a real success on the battlefield
and when is a farm a battle field ?
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And for you Cochese, if you think that noone in your alliance is cheating then you are so very wrong... not that I care much about that either...


No where did I ever state that no one was cheating in my alliance.

Just today I reported someone for account sharing, and have done so before. When I hear about it, even speculation, I report it immediately and remove that person from the alliance.
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and when is a farm a battle field ?
so all your gals were farmgals for WEET?
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Well.. what can I say, this is one of the things I hate about PA.. I've seen it many times but I never get used to it. You of course think I am talking about the fact that someone was closed for cheating, but that's not it..

It's seeing Sid and a whole other bunch of people jump at the chance to badmouth other people, other alliences.. It's always this grand talk about the community. It has been the last part of pa that appealed to me, but it is going downhill too, like the rest of the game..

I don't support cheating, I don't think anyone really does.. but I also would never kick anyone while they are down.. it's just not in me.. but hey.. by all means.. continue your little feast..
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Cheating is here to stay....live with it.....or leave the game!!!

no

accepting cheating should never be an option..

i hope these threads continue to come up. i hope people finally learn that the fair playing pa community will not accept cheating of any type, ever
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accepting cheating should never be an option..

i hope these threads continue to come up. i hope people finally learn that the fair playing pa community will not accept cheating of any type, ever
I agree 100% with that and cheating shall always be fought aggainst, but you still have to live with it cause as I said. You can fight it, but you can never get rid of it....and well put it simple and turn "live with it around". If you can't live with the fact that some are cheating...then there is 1 other option, and that is to die (leave the game).

We both agree that cheating is crap, but I just don't turn ppl in because of it... You do and I respect you for that, but this is like turning in a friend working illegal...I just will not do it...

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Unread 3 Apr 2003, 20:08   #85
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i am wondering something else tho....

now that rabba has been closed.. what will happen to the planet he farmed from?

as that planet is more then likely to be a multy planet and/or a farm planet (well that's kinda confirmed now.)

any news on that? Prince maybe?
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Ive certainly been critical of Zues' actions in the past with closures, allowing himself to be a political tool. But when the case is strong, and the indications are visible to all, then it needs to be enforced.

Idealy the creators need to find thier evidence, and investigate nuetrally. Relying on reports from players leads to politically motivated rule enforcement.
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Idealy the creators need to find thier evidence, and investigate nuetrally. Relying on reports from players leads to politically motivated rule enforcement.
a cheater is a cheater. Reported by an "enemy" or not, if he cheats he should be punished.

I welcome weet/nar/vom or whoever it is to find as many cheaters they can and get them out of this game.
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I think Prince will come around hes new hell read user agreement and understand what needs to be done. Prince man dont be afraid to wreak havoc on those cheating dude stick it to them for real they deserve it.

I hope he does read the user agreement. I read through it multiple times and saw nothing whatsoever on ship farming in it. Furthermore, I read through the manual, and saw nothing against it in there.

The user agreement covers account sharing, when it says that you cannot disclose your password to others. It covers bot usage rather extensively. But surprise, surprise - not a thing on farming/ship farming.

Now, I haven't been reading the user agreements very closely throughout the past rounds, but I seem to recall an addendum to one of them about actions commonly referred to as farming. A debate sprung from that about whether ship farming fell under this - and it was rather inconclusive.

Now, nowhere in the manual or the user agreement does it even reference rules from past manuals or user agreements being carried forward.

The accusation here is ship farming, no one to my knowledge has ever been punished for this before, so anyone spouting precedence of deletion and trying to pressure the creators to act in a similar manner can kindly refer to the precedence for nothing being done to ship farming until now.

If I missed something in either the manual or the user agreement that says anything to the contrary, please point it out to me - and if you are unable to, then please take your belly aching elsewhere.
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setting a BAD presedent there m8, if you expect PA to have any future at all heh especially since its P2P, you might want to read the user agreement that you made us all read, it applies to everyone equally.. or dosent it ?
kinda reminds me of a certain george orwell book

everyone is equal but some are more equal than others

and to u prince if he cheated delete him or ppl wont play the game anymore
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I hope he does read the user agreement. I read through it multiple times and saw nothing whatsoever on ship farming in it. Furthermore, I read through the manual, and saw nothing against it in there.

The user agreement covers account sharing, when it says that you cannot disclose your password to others. It covers bot usage rather extensively. But surprise, surprise - not a thing on farming/ship farming.

Now, I haven't been reading the user agreements very closely throughout the past rounds, but I seem to recall an addendum to one of them about actions commonly referred to as farming. A debate sprung from that about whether ship farming fell under this - and it was rather inconclusive.

Now, nowhere in the manual or the user agreement does it even reference rules from past manuals or user agreements being carried forward.

The accusation here is ship farming, no one to my knowledge has ever been punished for this before, so anyone spouting precedence of deletion and trying to pressure the creators to act in a similar manner can kindly refer to the precedence for nothing being done to ship farming until now.

If I missed something in either the manual or the user agreement that says anything to the contrary, please point it out to me - and if you are unable to, then please take your belly aching elsewhere.
Actually to confirm it is was asked during a creators hour this round and ships farming was explicitly named as illegal as can be found in CH logs on portal. This CH question was even quoted on this forum afterwards.

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The only people who "won" today were the top10 players who play fair and square, and all the legitimate Planetarion players in the universe.

Some "victories" transcend politics.
Ah how naive, the boy thinks there are top 10 players that have played fair and square

Now lets wait for all the responces of everyone in the past/present top 10 claiming fair play



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this is ****ING redicilous Prince...

if they cheated, ie ships farmed, roid farmed..YOU HAVE TO DELETE THEIR PLANETS, this ****ty slap on the wrist method will simply encourage more people to try and get away with it..

it's bollocks and you should be ashamed of yourselves pa..

why the fcuk are you not deleteing them???
Because it's not good policy to delete your customers?
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Actually to confirm it is was asked during a creators hour this round and ships farming was explicitly named as illegal as can be found in CH logs on portal. This CH question was even quoted on this forum afterwards.

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After checking through the Creators Announcements Forum, I found nothing on farming. I then used the forums search utility on the words "ship farm", and apart from these recent threads - found nothing that pertained to the legality of it whatsoever. I then proceeded to check through the past creator's hours, and by doing a ctrl + f on the word "farm", I eventually found this log:

[25-Feb] [23:49:48] <@CH> 5) Dreadnought (present) asked: Is Ship farming Illegal in r9?
[25-Feb] [23:50:30] <@Spinner> Yes, ship farming is illegal

I definitely think the creators dropped the ball on this one. They state in the user agreement that we are accountable for the rules, and that any changes will be made known to us. Now, I was not casually logging into an account and presented with this info - I had to dig through multiple locations, actively searching for a statement about the legality of ship farming.

I recently started playing again and have a zikonian account. Until this incident, I had no clue that ship farming was illegal. I was even considering setting up cross galaxy ship "purchasing", where I would trade my metal/crystal to a person in my galaxy (for their currently almost worthless eonium) to send their ships to a Zik in a different galaxy and likewise. I know I would have been rather pissed off to get deleted for that - as the only reference to the illegality of this act is encompassed by a couple of lines in one of the creator's hour logs on the portal.

If Rabbagast read that creator's hour, or was exposed to quotes of it, then I can see a case for deletion. If not, I do not see a case for deletion.

There are two grey areas that I see though - one is that it is almost impossible to prove whether or not Rabba viewed that Creator's Hour log. The more distressing one is that I have still not found any specific rules against Asteroid Farming, in any of the venues described above. So every hypocrite that is screaming about rules violations - let the roid farming begin again.
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and the message of the day gave you no clue?

"To Anyone Thinking Of Farming, Remember The Great Eye Is Ever Watchful"

Warnings on farming have been there for at least the last few days, possibly longer. They certainly pre-date this incident.

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and the message of the day gave you no clue?

"To Anyone Thinking Of Farming, Remember The Great Eye Is Ever Watchful"

Warnings on farming have been there for at least the last few days, possibly longer. They certainly pre-date this incident.

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Now, please tell me if these warnings have anything whatsoever to do with Rabbagast's actions? The news scans do not show him taking asteroid donations, they show him stealing Demeters.

Does the extremely vague, undefined quote you so aptly referenced make the average person think "Maybe I shouldn't have my friends send me some Demeters"?
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oh rabba knowsships farming is illegal.
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Ah how naive, the boy thinks there are top 10 players that have played fair and square

Now lets wait for all the responces of everyone in the past/present top 10 claiming fair play



Btw, just before you do so: note that I will throw 3 fleet attacking / picking best targets ALWAYS and not defending in your face so be warned.

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oh rabba knowsships farming is illegal.
It was you that said Prince should read the User Agreement. Clearly you thought ship farming was declared illegal there.

I ask you, how did you find out that it was illegal? Did a friend tell you? Did you read the Creator Log? Because you clearly did not read the User Agreement.
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I always love it when the fat kid that always got picked last in P.E. class, whines at everyone else because he couldn't keep up.
So, you will state that you play 'clean' ?
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